Hamas Launches Offensive Against Southern Israel

Hitler’s Reich and Showa Japan possessed some of the largest war machines in history, and the will to use them.

Hamas are an insane death cult waging an unwinnable war against Israel. Wholesale genocide is disproportionate (not to mention the PR win of the century for the bastards). No one is saying “don’t beat the piss inside out of them” as Hamas are an insane death cult that has to be eradicated, but again there is a vast gap between that and “kill them all.”

Edit: This is the road to Hell. Let’s not walk it.

I would suggest studying Japanese culture during that entire era. They were really just as much of an insane death cult as Hamas is, and a vastly more dangerous one since that death cult had embedded itself in a sovereign nation for generations to indoctrinate the mainstream/majority of the population as true believers in its ideology, and controlled one of the most powerful global military forces in the world of the day.

The price paid to to "de-radicalize" Japan was total war that ended with nuking them twice, collaborating with their surviving leadership to cover up a significant chunk of their war crimes as the price for future cooperation, occupying them for the better part of an entire generation, and propping up their entire economy at our expense for the entire occupation period and then some. And the result is a country that is still pretty fucked up in a lot of ways that just aren't talked about, like the way Japan is horrifically pro-pedophilia.

(No, that is not an exaggeration. Japan has been the world's primary source of child pornography and child trafficking for the entire period of the modern global economy and will remain so for the foreseeable future, since their government is at best only taking superficial action to curb said trade. Japan didn't actually ban the distribution of child pornography until 1999, didn't ban possession of child pornography until 2014, and didn't ban pedophilic sex with children until last year. )
 
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I take the centrist position: Israel has a right to defend itself... within the boundaries of international law.

In the news:
UNRWA should deal with its own Hamas infiltration and connections problems before it will have any standing to be lecturing others, and PA can stop using the money to reward terrorists for terrorism if they want to get it.
This guy raises good points, wonder what his take on the Ukraine conflict works out since I've only ever seen him talk about Israel-Palestine
He sounds lefty and starts out pretty damn bad, with a full on horse out of the barn since ages argument - that Gazans will *start* hating Israel due to seeing Israeli security personnel patrolling their streets every day. Yeah, right...
Muslims worldwide generally don't like Israel, the more islamist leaning ones outright hate it even if they live as far away as Afghanistan or Indonesia, Israel can hardly make them start hating it if they already very much do, and reminder that before 2005 Israel did physically control Gaza, before withdrawing unilaterally in hope of getting better attitude from the other side among other things.

And if you look at the few relatively successful historical actions to crack down on militant islamist activity in the region over last few hundred years, you can't kill an idea, but you sure can kill a whole lot of its adherents and drive it underground. That's roughly what all the success stories come down to. A combination of covert and overt violence, usually quite heavy handed, either by colonial empires or local satraps. Mahdist War anyone? Hama massacre? Saudi, Egyptian and later Syrian crackdowns?
Above all, the only way that the local civilian population *will not* get indoctrinated into hating Israel is if Israel or someone else who is not Hamas or company gets full control over local media and education. No, UNRWA, you go away and get fucked too.
The most interesting option would be for Israel to import some experts from UAE or SA, they are somewhat successful locally, and can take control of the religious education too in a politically correct way.
Again, while taking control of the place physically alone does not suffice, doing the above things absolutely requires it as a prerequisite - as long as Hamas controls the security situation, they can and will tell local media and educators what views to spread, under threat of injury, death and worse.
Btw this was also a core issue in Afghanistan, USA had no guts or willing partner to do even half the *ideological interference* required to unfuck the situation with tribal and religious loyalties.
Israel has better chances on both accounts.
 

Nabih Berri emphasized that the Amal Movement, which he leads, "is fighting on Lebanese territory," warning: "If there is an Israeli incursion, we will be in the forefront and on the ground with Hezbollah."

If Israel invades Lebanon it will not only be fighting Hezbollah, it will be fighting the Lebanese military, militia, paramilitary, armed citizens. If Israel invades Lebanon, that may be the end of Israel as a respected nation-state on the world stage. Outside of the UK and US, the international community will side with Lebanon as it did with Palestine. As @Zachowon and @Lord Sovereign , myself and several others have repeatedly stated, ideas are literally indestructible. This is a sabotage campaign by Christian American Zionists and messianic extremists to sacrifice Israel and the Jews in an attempt to fulfill the Book of Revelations, anyone who isn't an extremely brainwashed conformist or partisan sees through this pretty plainly. The moronic accusations of antisemitism against centrists and internationalists that simply want the Israeli military-industrial complex to stop meat-grinding the Palestinian civilian population (mostly women and children btw) akin to what the Germans did in Poland are simply projection at this point. Unless you're literally a Jewish Israeli I honestly don't give a fuck what you have to say at this point, and even then I am a social conservative who fucking hates identity politics with every fiber of my being, so good luck!
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If Israel invades Lebanon it will not only be fighting Hezbollah, it will be fighting the Lebanese military, militia, paramilitary, armed citizens. If Israel invades Lebanon, that may be the end of Israel as a respected nation-state on the world stage. Outside of the UK and US, the international community will side with Lebanon as it did with Palestine. As @Zachowon and @Lord Sovereign , myself and several others have repeatedly stated, ideas are literally indestructible. This is a sabotage campaign by Christian American Zionists and messianic extremists to sacrifice Israel and the Jews in an attempt to fulfill the Book of Revelations, anyone who isn't an extremely brainwashed conformist or partisan sees through this pretty plainly. The moronic accusations of antisemitism against centrists and internationalists that simply want the Israeli military-industrial complex to stop meat-grinding the Palestinian civilian population (mostly women and children btw) akin to what the Germans did in Poland are simply projection at this point. Unless you're literally a Jewish Israeli I honestly don't give a fuck what you have to say at this point, and even then I am a social conservative who fucking hates identity politics with every fiber of my being, so good luck!
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The only good jihadi is dead jihadi, and Israel knows this, and there is nothing but jihadi's and proto-jihadi's in Hamas's terror-camp, and knows Hezbollah is under the control of Iran/IRGC, who want Israel destroyed.

No, Israel wiping out it's enemies will kill the idea, as will Israeli control over a depopulated-of-jihadi's Gaza remove their safe-harbor/base-camp.

And if Hezbollah would stop firing rockets into Israel at the behest of Iran, maybe Israel wouldn't need to make a move on the ground into the farce that is the wasteland once know as Lebanon.

All this death, every single bit of it, is on Iran and it's proxies.
 
The Amal Movement has been aligned with the Iran and/or the Syrian Axis since the Civil War, so like decades. And there's no extensive armed party militias beyond Hezbollah and Palestinian backed groups because everyone else largely disarmed as per the treaty everyone including Hezbollah IIRC agreed to.

The Lebanese military meanwhile didn't get involved in the rather serious 2006 Lebanon War and differentiating between armed militias and armed civilians is just splitting hairs.

Israel meanwhile has been an international pariah at far worse times in its history such as when it was founded or in the period between 1964-1980. It has more recognition now then it did a few years ago and more standing then it did decades ago. This is probably because not even Sunni Arabs are some universal block, and it's much much more complicated throwing in every other religious, economic, ethnic and political division in the region.
 
I just love how people keep bloviating about Israel committing "genocide" for its incredibly restrained use of military force in self-defense. Those who accuse Israel of attempting genocide literally don't know what genocide actually means. Hint: if Israel was actually trying to commit genocide, it would already be accomplished.
 



If Israel invades Lebanon it will not only be fighting Hezbollah, it will be fighting the Lebanese military, militia, paramilitary, armed citizens.
For one you have a leader of a.... openly Hezbollah allied movement saying that it will fight to protect Hezbollah. Extrapolating that to think movements that aren't fans of Hezbollah, and may in fact kinda hate it, will do the same, is a huge jump of logic though.
The Amal Movement is the largest predominantly Shia party in parliament, having fourteen representatives to Hezbollah's thirteen. Amal has an alliance with Hezbollah.
Here you have an example of people who, on the contrary, don't seem eager to spend a single bullet on protecting Hezbollah.
 
uh huh...

tell me, how many people are still sacrificing humans to the aztec gods so that they can use that blood as fuel to fight back the horror that is threatening to destroy humanity?
Well, I'm not sure they're doing it to save humanity or anything but there's the people in DC, the celebrity cults in California, the various rich elite groups all over the world, the literal death cults all over, and I've heard some very disturbing rumors about the Mexican and South American cartels.

...wait, you were being sarcastic weren't you?
 
uh huh...

tell me, how many people are still sacrificing humans to the aztec gods so that they can use that blood as fuel to fight back the horror that is threatening to destroy humanity?
To Aztec gods ? probably not many
Well, I'm not sure they're doing it to save humanity or anything but there's the people in DC, the celebrity cults in California, the various rich elite groups all over the world, the literal death cults all over, and I've heard some very disturbing rumors about the Mexican and South American cartels.

...wait, you were being sarcastic weren't you?
You have a point.we have rich dudes murdering children.
 
Well, I'm not sure they're doing it to save humanity or anything but there's the people in DC, the celebrity cults in California, the various rich elite groups all over the world, the literal death cults all over, and I've heard some very disturbing rumors about the Mexican and South American cartels.

...wait, you were being sarcastic weren't you?
None of those human sacrifices are going to the Aztec gods, especially not to save reality and thus prevent human extinction.
My argument was not "we permanently ended human sacrifices".
My argument was giving an example of how an idea can die. Which was to counter the claim that ideas are indestructible.

The Aztecs did not engage in human sacrifice just because they were born evil.
The Aztecs entire religion was one of desperate struggle against extinction. The ONLY way to stop the extinction of humanity is to fuel their only defender (who is outnumbered hundreds to 1) with human blood sacrifices.

there are similarities with all those green idiots who want to genocide humanity down to 0.5 billion people and keep it there. In order to stop the extinction of humanity from global warming via carbon emissions.
But it is a completely different idea to the aztec divine combat fuelled by human blood. Nor is there any direct link betweent he two ideas.
The green idiots are not secret aztec god worshippers.
The ideas of the ancient Aztec religion are very much dead.
 
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None of those human sacrifices are going to the Aztec gods, especially not to save reality.

The Aztecs did not engage in human sacrifice just because they were born evil.
The Aztecs entire religion was one of desperate struggle against extinction. The ONLY way to stop the extinction of humanity is to fuel their only defender (who is outnumbered hundreds to 1) with human blood sacrifices.

Which... actually we are getting close to with all those green idiots who want to genocide humanity down to 0.5 billion people and keep it there. In order to stop the extinction of humanity from global warming.

That said, it isn't the aztec gods and global warming is not evil gods. So it is a different idea with some similarities.
The conquistadors have successfully destroyed the ideas of the Aztec religion.
To be fair to the Aztecs and their ancestors in Central America, they got cities/civs routinely wiped out by massive volcanic eruptions, and kinda ended up as a death cult society because of it.
 

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