United States FLASH: U.S. SUPREME COURT JUSTICE RUTH BADER GINSBURG DEAD AT 87

[bullethead]

I dunno if this will get me infracted on this site

Nah, we appreciate people who have the balls to stand up to the overwhelming DOOMiness that sometimes floods this place.

 

[Bigking321]

In any case, I agree that if we try to nominate to the supreme court before the election the Democrat's will attempt to pack the court.

They have been openly talking about how they are going to game the system if they ever get power again well before this.

Court packing, getting rid of the electoral college, rushing dc and Puerto Rico into statehood to get 4 free dem senators, eliminating the filibuster entirely.

They've made no secret of it.

If they win they will do whatever they can to ensure they can do whatever they want forever.

 

[Terthna]

Ah yes, lets compromise with people who want to destroy the family unit, feminize, demonize and push men out of work, push pedo acceptance and destroy everything that is historical, cultural and just fun in general .

What compromise should we agree with btw? We concede that pedos should be accepted and they should be allowed to rape kids and in exchange the leftists stop rioting? Or do we agree that for the sake of diversity all white males should lose their jobs and said jobs given to white women and whatever minority is in now and in exchange, they stop rioting?

Again, I'm not saying you should compromise with such people; but the moment compromise no longer even occurs to anyone as a possibility, is the moment that authoritarianism has won, regardless of which side does.

 

[Arch Dornan]

Mad in the internet and mad in real life.

 

[Christi]

OMFG crying so much now! So powerful!

Ask her on her opinion on Roe v. Wade!

I hate people like this. Don’t use your children to play political games. I’m sorry but no 10 yr old cares about Ginsberg except the ones who were related to her or close enough that they might as well be.
Who the hell goes up to a ten year old and tells them some Supreme Court Justice they never met is dead?
If this person actually did it. I promise you the kid was like “Who?”

 

[DarthOne]

Again, I'm not saying you should compromise with such people; but the moment compromise no longer even occurs to anyone as a possibility, is the moment that authoritarianism has won, regardless of which side does.

Trust me when I say that I would like nothing more then for politics to calm the fuck down and for people across the USA to remember that we are all Americans and fellow citizens of the USA.

 

[UltimatePaladin]

Trust me when I say that I would like nothing more then for politics to calm the fuck down and for people across the USA to remember that we are all Americans and fellow citizens of the USA.

Amen to that.

 

[The Original Sixth]

I dunno if this will get me infracted on this site, don't know, don't care, we shall see;

But christ on a stick, a lot of you seem just as deranged as the people on SB, just with a different political slant. Your politics are obviously different, but you're just as deranged and conspiracy filled as they are.

That's what happens when both sides don't trust each other. If you read here, you'll see people insist that the Democrats are out to destroy the country. If you read there, it's very much the same, except it's been replaced with Republican. It comes down to the fact that the US is comprised of several different dominate cultures and the old institutions for political parties are broken. So everyone is acting out. It happens like once every 70-80 years. It's normal.

More on-topic. I'm Canadian, RBG doesn't directly affect me. I respect what she did for women in law, and her actions on SCOTUS, at least she generally stood by her convictions from what I know. So I will show her respect for that. RIP. Beyond that, the whole hoopla about replacing her? Yeah, I'll stay away from that.

Controversy? There is none. We all know what will happen and why.

In 2016, Mitch shot down Obama's nominee because the guy was a liberal and the Senate was held by conservative Republicans. His excuse was just that; an excuse. And as the Senate, they have every right to shoot down a candidate regardless of their reasons. They really could have done it because they didn't like his shoes or his hair.

Now in 2020, Mitch will usher in Trump's nominee as quickly and smoothly as possible, so long as it checks all their boxes, because Trump is on their side.

The morality of whether it's good or not is immaterial. If voters don't like it, they'll punish them during the 2020 election. If voters reward them or otherwise don't punish them, then the action was acceptable. The Democrats are making a big fuss, because like all parties on the outside of power, they want to rally the swing voters to their cause by insisting that the end of the world is nigh. And the Republicans will do the same, because they have done the same.

At the end of the day, Trump will probably get his third judge, Antifa and lefties will riot, the DNC will denounce the RNC, the RNC will get off, and in a week everyone will have forgotten it ever happened.

 

[Arch Dornan]

That's what happens when both sides don't trust each other. If you read here, you'll see people insist that the Democrats are out to destroy the country. If you read there, it's very much the same, except it's been replaced with Republican. It comes down to the fact that the US is comprised of several different dominate cultures and the old institutions for political parties are broken. So everyone is acting out. It happens like once every 70-80 years. It's normal.



Controversy? There is none. We all know what will happen and why.

In 2016, Mitch shot down Obama's nominee because the guy was a liberal and the Senate was held by conservative Republicans. His excuse was just that; an excuse. And as the Senate, they have every right to shoot down a candidate regardless of their reasons. They really could have done it because they didn't like his shoes or his hair.

Now in 2020, Mitch will usher in Trump's nominee as quickly and smoothly as possible, so long as it checks all their boxes, because Trump is on their side.

The morality of whether it's good or not is immaterial. If voters don't like it, they'll punish them during the 2020 election. If voters reward them or otherwise don't punish them, then the action was acceptable. The Democrats are making a big fuss, because like all parties on the outside of power, they want to rally the swing voters to their cause by insisting that the end of the world is nigh. And the Republicans will do the same, because they have done the same.

At the end of the day, Trump will probably get his third judge, Antifa and lefties will riot, the DNC will denounce the RNC, the RNC will get off, and in a week everyone will have forgotten it ever happened.

Life just goes on as usual doesn't it?

 

[Bigking321]

Life just goes on as usual doesn't it?

It would sure be nice but one side seems pretty committed to burning everything down.

 

[Arch Dornan]

It would sure be nice but one side seems pretty committed to burning everything down.

They're very intent on that yes. What I'm trying to say is even if the worst outcome comes life just continues even if the quality of life declines into a shithole or an increasingly tyrannical state.

 

[Certified_Heterosexual]

I hate people like this. Don’t use your children to play political games. I’m sorry but no 10 yr old cares about Ginsberg except the ones who were related to her or close enough that they might as well be.
Who the hell goes up to a ten year old and tells them some Supreme Court Justice they never met is dead?
If this person actually did it. I promise you the kid was like “Who?”

Don't worry, that story is 100% fake.

 

[GoldRanger]

I dunno if this will get me infracted on this site, don't know, don't care, we shall see;

It won't, the whole point of this place is that we're much less heavy handed with this kind of shit here. By the way, I'm really glad to see you here! You even have the old avatar and everything.

 

[gral]

Don't worry, that story is 100% fake.

Indeed. There's a profile in the Brazilian Twitter scene called "Aconteceu pra Caralho"('It Really Fucking Happened') which collects fake Tweeter stories. I'd say 80-90% of them are 'Innocent child gives a moral/political lesson', just like this one.

 

[Battlegrinder]

I dunno if this will get me infracted on this site, don't know, don't care, we shall see;

But christ on a stick, a lot of you seem just as deranged as the people on SB, just with a different political slant. Your politics are obviously different, but you're just as deranged and conspiracy filled as they are.

I'm not sure you can really say either side is particularly conspiratorial, since they're entirely correct to say that the other side wants to execute exactly the kind of dubiously ethical power grab that the conspiracy people say they are. At best, they just get the motive off and assume the other side is acting out of malice when in reality both sides are acting out of fear of what the other side might do and it's building a feedback loop between the two.

In this one particular issue, I think calls for court packing and similar schemes to seize control of the judicial system came from the left first and the right's initial reaction was defensive, but I'm pretty sure they could say the same because of, I dunno, something about Garland probably.

 

[Emperor Tippy]

Republican options:

Trump either nominates someone before the election or chooses not to. Trump will nominate someone because the political gains for him of doing so far outweigh the costs.

Then it goes to the Senate:

1) Graham doesn't get the nominee out of Committee. He guarantees that he loses his campaign because the Republicans will not vote for him if he is seen as holding up a SCOTUS appointment.

2) It goes to the Floor and the Senate votes to confirm the nominee before election day. Republicans get to give their base a final cherry on top and make the last month before election day all about SCOTUS as opposed to Covid and the rest of the issues. Having confirmation before election day also acts to somewhat remove an election issue as now the Democrats don't have a live SCOTUS seat to energize them. For Republican purposes, the Democrats talk of court packing is enough to energize their base and break some of the Never Trumpers away from Biden.

2b) The Senate votes and four Republicans break ranks to prevent the confirmation. The Republicans get to go into the election with their base fired up beyond all reason and utterly enraged. Republican turnout in every close race (save those who voted against) is going to skyrocket. Those who vote against also doom their political careers as they will never again win another election as a Republican or have any bridges left with the Republican establishment.

3) The Senate votes to confirm in a lame duck session after losing the Presidency/Senate/Both. This absolutely enrages the Democrats, looks incredibly petty and like dirty pool, and practically guarantees the Dem's the votes needed to pack the court.

3b) The Senate votes and fails to confirm in the lame duck session after losing the Presidency/Senate/Both. This just makes the look like losers and is probably the worst of all possible outcomes for them.

4) Trump wins and/or the Republicans retain the Senate. Depending on the situation (ideally the Republicans retain the Presidency, Senate, and take the House), and what was done with the SCOTUS pick, the political outcome is variable. It either washes away most of the dirt smell from the Ginsburg seat (the Republicans won after all) or lets them prevent the Democrats from burning it all down.

So for McConnell and the Republicans, their best outcome is to hold the floor vote before election day. Win the vote and retain the Presidency and/or Senate and it's a straight win. Win the vote and lose the Presidency and Senate and you aren't much worse off than you would otherwise be. Lose the vote and retain the Presidency and/or Senate and you will probably get the SCOTUS pick approved anyways after getting your base energized for election day. Lose the vote and lose the Presidency & Senate and at least the Dem's have a harder time justifying court packing and you still retain a 5-4 majority on the court.

Regardless, by making it a fight they guarantee that it is the only news story that matters going into election day. And every day that the Dem's talk about court packing (and Senate packing) they just make it easier for the moderates and Never Trumpers to not vote for Biden.

Never Trumpers aren't Never Trumpers because of policy disagreements with Trump; they are Never Trumpers because they can't stand his behavior. You are already going to see a good many of them going split ticket (Biden, Republican for other races) but these are life long Republicans in many cases; just how much can the Democrats say that is anathema to them before they decide to vote Trump anyways?

 

[Certified_Heterosexual]

Luckily, Supreme Court nominations are basically the one time the GOP actually remembers the value of teamwork (your team winning gives you better results than instantly caving to the other team in exchange for patronizing headpats).

 

[KilroywasNOTHere]

going to drop some razor wisdom here.

 

[Vaermina]

I dunno if this will get me infracted on this site, don't know, don't care, we shall see;

But christ on a stick, a lot of you seem just as deranged as the people on SB, just with a different political slant. Your politics are obviously different, but you're just as deranged and conspiracy filled as they are.

It won't, and you aren't wrong.

It's especially funny given we are talking supreme court justices, a group which often doesn't rule on partisan lines.

 

[Bacle]

So now we get to see if it's ACB, or Loboa (?), get the nom. Personally I think Loboa is the better choice, as she will help anchor the Cuban American vote and understands the threat the Far-Left represents.