Culture Female sexuality and the necessity of Patriarchy

[Lord Sovereign]

Why am I being quoted? I didn't say this. That was said by @The Immortal Watch Dog

My goodness, so it is! I must apologise, I've got no idea how that happened. I'll fix it immediately.

Edit: Fixed.

 

[LifeisTiresome]

If my position was "Women are keepers of the culture" as opposed to "Women, seemed to have functioned thusly" then sure.

What I actually said was that Deconstructionist thought has raped western women, mentally and forced them to ignore their instincts and drive and has twisted the woman into some...mindless screech beast that hates herself as much as she resents her children. Or the ones she hasn't aborted any way! She curses her womb, lies about her father and brothers, disrespects her mother and debases her sisters almost as she maims herself.

Which is the opposite of the position you inferred, but what I said in actuality. View attachment 347

Gotcha. Thanks for claryifying.

Hah I don't blame you.

For the record: Culture is the problem..or rather the current gleeful lack thereof. Not gender.

My original post was mocking the whole they fought for the freedom! Cause I seriously doubt the men of WW2 US died so that blessed Feminism could have the freedom to push for the destruction of the family unit or push for trans kids, etc.

Funny thought though, Pol has a meme about this IIRC.

My goodness, so it is! I must apologise, I've got no idea how that happened. I'll fix it immediately.

Its fine. I was just confused.

 

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

Thank you very much for damning and indicting myself and my people for something we had no knowledge of, and no control over.

Fuck you very much for accusing me of allowing those girls to be raped. For I am an Englishman and remain proud of it, regardless of how retarded our elites have become.

Be proud enough to unfuck your country and unshackle your neighbors before you howl indignantly at me for pointing out that the only reason why England has fallen prey to these so called elites is because the Anglo surrendered

 

[Zachowon]

Be proud enough to unfuck your country and unshackle your neighbors before you howl indignantly at me for pointing out that the only reason why England has fallen prey to these so called elites is because the Anglo surrendered

How can he do anything? He is not an American who has rights. He is an egnlishmen who is having their rights taken form them

 

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

How can he do anything? He is not an American who has rights. He is an egnlishmen who is having their rights taken form them

His countrymen should answer that question.

 

[Zachowon]

His countrymen should answer that question.

He should not be responsible!

 

[ShieldWife]

Yet...

British people could stop what is happening to their country, they could stop it very easily. If the people of the UK collectively decided that they’d had enough, they could send all of the Muslims and other hostile invaders back to their homelands and the traitorous pro-immigrant politicians with them. They could do it, but they won’t, and that is how the Empire that the sun once never set on will be no more in a few generations.

Don’t feel singled out though, the same basic problem exists across Western nations, including the USA. I don’t exempt us from the same criticism.

 

[Zachowon]

Yet...

British people could stop what is happening to their country, they could stop it very easily. If the people of the UK collectively decided that they’d had enough, they could send all of the Muslims and other hostile invaders back to their homelands and the traitorous pro-immigrant politicians with them. They could do it, but they won’t, and that is how the Empire that the sun once never set on will be no more in a few generations.

Don’t feel singled out though, the same basic problem exists across Western nations, including the USA. I don’t exempt us from the same criticism.

I do, because being military it is a LOT different then the civilian world

 

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

He should not be responsible!

When a nation is surrendered to cultural nihilism and deconstructivism it is the fault of every citizen who is alive when the process begins and only when it is reversed does that blame end.

We all are dirty, we all are complicit and only when we fix our countries will the stain be erased.

That should not be a bad thing, if anything we are united in our defeat and can seek redress and victory united.

I don't look at it as demoralizing so much as an extra reason to ensure this evil ends with the closing of next decade.

 

[LifeisTiresome]

Yet...

British people could stop what is happening to their country, they could stop it very easily. If the people of the UK collectively decided that they’d had enough, they could send all of the Muslims and other hostile invaders back to their homelands and the traitorous pro-immigrant politicians with them. They could do it, but they won’t, and that is how the Empire that the sun once never set on will be no more in a few generations.

Don’t feel singled out though, the same basic problem exists across Western nations, including the USA. I don’t exempt us from the same criticism.

The West cannot rise up as to rise up means to throw away liberalism cause that means you must be willing to use force for aims that are not liberal or left. Its very telling that abhorrent violence gets labelled as cause of the right wing and inculcated to be bad and to be abhorred but liberals and the Left violence isn't.

Most people have the liberal mindset as default with plus or minuses for variation on that but are default liberal and are content to grill. IIRC, revolutions are brought by a small group willing to push things far and dragging everyone else with them.

 

[ShieldWife]

I do, because being military it is a LOT different then the civilian world

You do what? I’m a little confused about what you are responding to.

The West cannot rise up as to rise up means to throw away liberalism cause that means you must be willing to use force for aims that are not liberal or left. Its very telling that abhorrent violence gets labelled as cause of the right wing and inculcated to be bad and to be abhorred but liberals and the Left violence isn't.

Most people have the liberal mindset as default with plus or minuses for variation on that but are default liberal and are content to grill. IIRC, revolutions are brought by a small group willing to push things far and dragging everyone else with them.

The West would also be giving up many of the comforts we have become accustomed to, including safety, even though those comforts are slowly eroding away as we speak, including safety.

 

[Harlock]

My original post was mocking the whole they fought for the freedom! Cause I seriously doubt the men of WW2 US died so that blessed Feminism could have the freedom to push for the destruction of the family unit or push for trans kids, etc.

Freedom means you get to make your own choices, some people make shit choices. The solution to that is to push people into making better choices, not remove their ability to choose in the first place.

As for expelling undesirables etc, thats just Ethnic cleansing and I'm old enough to remember how that went for Bosnia. You start doing that sort of thing and it's not something you switch off, get rid of one bunch or undesirables and that just leads to the next bunch, then the next.
You can't talk about preserving rights and freedoms and then remove them for citizens that don't match your ideal in another. If they commit a crime they should face the consequences, if they are good citizens who are we to judge?

 

[LifeisTiresome]

Freedom means you get to make your own choices, some people make shit choices. The solution to that is to push people into making better choices, not remove their ability to choose in the first place.

Why push at all then? Leave people to their choices even if destroys society if this is your opinion on things.

And my mockery still stands.

As for expelling undesirables etc, thats just Ethnic cleansing and I'm old enough to remember how that went for Bosnia. You start doing that sort of thing and it's not something you switch off, get rid of one bunch or undesirables and that just leads to the next bunch, then the next.
You can't talk about preserving rights and freedoms and then remove them for citizens that don't match your ideal in another. If they commit a crime they should face the consequences, if they are good citizens who are we to judge?

Talk to @ShieldWife

My comment was just stating to her that what she states ain't happening. The West is finished imo.

And hilarious mentioning of slippery slope. Going by your comments, I would think you wouldn't believe in it or does it not apply to things the right talks about but applies when liberals apply it?

 

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

The idea isn't to "physically remove" middle easterners from England but to do what England did for centuries without guilt or shame.

Make, the immigrant English. Convince him to adopt English culture and English values. Incentivize native childbirth and population growth so that the Anglo is robust and competitive again. And do so in tandem with making the Pakistani English.

If they don't abandon their ways, then and only then do you deport.

But assimilation and integration was a thing that worked forever and only stopped working when westerners started feeling bad about it.

Deportation by the tens of millions is a ruinous pipedream for most nations.

Edit again, the solution is always culture.

 

[Harlock]

Why push at all then? Leave people to their choices even if destroys society if this is your opinion on things.

Because it isn't a zero sum game, it isn't either/or. You can make efforts to improve people and their character without victimising them and turning them into a lesser class.
There are always solutions and alternative ways to get what you want.

Talk to @ShieldWife

My comment was just stating to her that what she states ain't happening. The West is finished imo.

And hilarious mentioning of slippery slope. Going by your comments, I would think you wouldn't believe in it or does it not apply to things the right talks about but applies when liberals apply it?

That was just a general comment so I didn't have to multiquote, I'm not implying you have those specific views.

The West has tanked harder fails than this, much harder. You think this is the first time zealots and fanatics have pushed themselves into positions of power and influence?

Not sure exactly what that last accusation is but to be clear I despise the far right. I also despise the far left. Both are as retarded and callous as each other. Because the world isn't black and white I can in fact oppose the same people you do, but also not support the ideology you have.
Like I said, it isn't a binary choice, I can stand against attacks on my culture by foreign influence, and I can stand against attacks on my culture by home grown extremists too. Multitasking!

The idea isn't to "physically remove" middle easterners from England but to do what England did for centuries without guilt or shame.

Make, the immigrant English. Convince him to adopt English culture and English values. Incentivize native childbirth and population growth so that the Anglo is robust and competitive again. And do so in tandem with making the Pakistani English.

If they don't abandon their ways, then and only then do you deport.

But assimilation and integration was a thing that worked forever and only stopped working when westerners started feeling bad about it.

Deportation by the tens of millions is a ruinous pipedream for most nations.

Edit again, the solution is always culture.

Like for instance doing this sort of thing which is common sense.
My folks were Irish immigrants close enough that I can have dual citizenship, it doesn't mean a damn thing because we integrated.

Alright, I do have some Irish songs in the library and I did get made to do that dancing when I was seven But its not like those knobs in Boston who call themselves Irish American. Nah you aint guys, you're just fucking American.

So yeah, making people into what you are even if some people yell 'cultural genocide' that is how it should be.

 

[LifeisTiresome]

Because it isn't a zero sum game, it isn't either/or. You can make efforts to improve people and their character without victimising them and turning them into a lesser class.
There are always solutions and alternative ways to get what you want.

Now you are just being arbitrary. If you truly believe in the freedom above all then you should accept the shit choices as is. Attempting to change it means that you are already trying to interfere and steer them to what you want rather then what they want or choose to want.

That was just a general comment so I didn't have to multiquote, I'm not implying you have those specific views.

The West has tanked harder fails than this, much harder. You think this is the first time zealots and fanatics have pushed themselves into positions of power and influence?

Not sure exactly what that last accusation is but to be clear I despise the far right. I also despise the far left. Both are as retarded and callous as each other. Because the world isn't black and white I can in fact oppose the same people you do, but also not support the ideology you have.
Like I said, it isn't a binary choice, I can stand against attacks on my culture by foreign influence, and I can stand against attacks on my culture by home grown extremists too. Multitasking!

Your comments show you as a liberal to me. Liberals and the Left in general mock the right wingers intensely for "Slippery slope" argument and I should know as I had much the same thought at the time and yet you use it which just made me think whether you use said argument all the time or just in specific circumstances that suit you.

As for the rest of your comment here? Of no consequence to me.

 

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

Because it isn't a zero sum game, it isn't either/or. You can make efforts to improve people and their character without victimising them and turning them into a lesser class.
There are always solutions and alternative ways to get what you want.

Not that you and I are on separate pages on the culture and integration bit (It is the duty of the immigrant to integrate, I did, your parents did and generations that came before either of us did as well), but I do wanna emphasize something here. There are certain norms and practices for which the option is binary and they should be regarded as an abomination. Sadly, we've atrophied as a group of cultures that most of those abominations ain't com'n from the east anymore, they're coming from our own shores.

The disturbing reality is that for every five hundred little girls that got turned into literal lunchmeat in Rotherham, there are three times that number who were brainwashed into willfully being placed under extreme and violent hormonal and surgical modification that has left their bodies mangled, their psyches ruinated and their spirits destroyed. Not that I don't think Dysphoria doesn't exist, just it's perhaps a handful out of the mryaids that are put under the provervial and literal knife to "remedy" that.

And if your goal is to curb Islamo-radicalism and the more..grotesque aspects of their cultures and faith...If your alternative pathway is a morbidly obese he/she who babbles about pedoacceptance and how "your child should be allowed to chose their own gender"..Ahmed is going to tell anyone selling that garbage to go fuck him or herself...

And who could blame him?

This catastrophe that has afflicted our peoples begins and ends with with culture and it begins to get better when we decide to fix it.

You don't need to disenfranchise everyone with a pair of real tits and working ovaries, nor do you need to throw Habeeb, Muhamed, Arjet and Latiff into the fucking English channel either.

You just need to begin aggressively taking back your country..forcing people out of their complacency and using any and all legal and civil means..and then and only then, when the gentlemen's path is exhausted...do you go to war with your neighbors and your government..

The day far right callousness becomes necessary (And the time is very close unless we course correct now), will be the day we'll need to punish our own ten times harder than the other..Why? Because we allowed it to get that bad...we allowed the boogeyman to become the only way out...And we would need to ensure future generations understand that politeness, complacency and compromise mean death.

Dunno if I'd like to live in that world...I mean...I'd prefer it to the bug eating...Everyone enjoy all the HRT Beijing Biden just had FEMA buy, live in your pod, wear a mask, own no property and be happy or else..Blackpill half the American right is feeding itself to justify civil war talks...

But that's basically going "So Harlock, IWD...Y'all wanna get run over by a tank, or napalmed?"

The idea is to correct matters..Before those become ones only options.

Part of that is taking ones country back at the infrastructural level and the other part is as you said..integration.

 

[Harlock]

Now you are just being arbitrary. If you truly believe in the freedom above all then you should accept the shit choices as is. Attempting to change it means that you are already trying to interfere and steer them to what you want rather then what they want or choose to want.

Why do you assume I believe in freedom of choice over everything? Do you think I don't believe in responsibility for those choices too? Why do you go right for the most extreme interpretation of a position? I haven't said freedom above all have I?
I believe in people being free to make their choices, it is their right. But do you think that means I'm cool with people choosing to murder? Do you think I'm one of those odd hyper libertarian types?
Instead of jumping to conclusions about my position shall I talk about responsibilities to society and the consequences that also come with freedom? I mean I shouldn't have to because its common sense but you know.

This is why you need to get your facts tight before you debate because you're walking on thin air here arguing a position I don't have.

Your comments show you as a liberal to me. Liberals and the Left in general mock the right wingers intensely for "Slippery slope" argument and I should know as I had much the same thought at the time and yet you use it which just made me think whether you use said argument all the time or just in specific circumstances that suit you.

As for the rest of your comment here? Of no consequence to me.

Yeah but you see your definition of political alignment doesn't match with any mainstream accepted source so it means nothing outside your brain. I absolutely admit I am more liberal than you, but I expect so was Pinochet.

And I can confirm I do only use arguments that suit my given position. Thats just how people debate, technique and method has no politics. Just whatever gets the point across. I mean if I wanted to end this debate I can just start talking burden of proof for those accusations of yours.

 

[ShieldWife]

As I mentioned earlier, even conservatives have internalized leftism. One of the most common ways I see this is magical thinking regarding assimilation, as though it were just the most natural thing in the world and is inevitable. It’s not, assimilation isn’t going to happen, and holding on to the pipe dream that it will just plays right into the left’s hands.

 

[Harlock]

As I mentioned earlier, even conservatives have internalized leftism. One of the most common ways I see this is magical thinking regarding assimilation, as though it were just the most natural thing in the world and is inevitable. It’s not, assimilation isn’t going to happen, and holding on to the pipe dream that it will just plays right into the left’s hands.

I reckon like IWD says it will vary on culture, I think he and you are right that some groups never will assimilate because they can't. But I don't think its universal and I don't think it has to be an element of conquest or force.
The Irish integrated, it wasn't clean because Irish immigrants in the past were treated like shit and ghettoized not unlike what we see in modern times. Yet now you'd never know except by maybe names.
Likewise after WWII the UK got a bunch of Poles immigrating, and again apart from the names today you'd never know.

It can be done but yeah, some people don't want it and thats no good for anyone concerned.