Culture Female sexuality and the necessity of Patriarchy

[Marduk]

Not sure if it ties in so I'll keep it brief and just say at least in the context of a lot of these British Muslim rape gangs its less about them being Muslim and more about organised crime.

No, after all there are numerous organized crime groups around Europe and hardly any local ones do this kind of stuff on this kind of scale - its more about being specific cultural subdivision of Muslims - namely a large portion of the UK Muslims being from Pakistan/Afghanistan region, infamous for their horrible even by the standards of Islamic world customs.

Outrage as girl, 16, is sentenced to be raped in retaliation for her BROTHER sexually abusing 13-year-old girl

CAMPAIGNERS have reacted with fury after a village council in Pakistan ordered the rape of a 16-year-old girl as revenge for her brother’s sexual assault of another girl. Pakistani police hav…

www.thesun.co.uk

Yes, you read that right. Some of the insular tribal groups are so crazy with this stuff that even Pakistani law is not radical enough for them, and so they are used to taking things into their own hands. As you often hear of news in Pakistan, often it means AK wielding hands at that.
So, sanity check - if a large number of the demographic, in tolerance of the rest of their fellows (note that in this case it was a village council, not some criminals hiding from the general society), is willing to risk death in combat or spending the rest of life in third world prison conditions for the sake of enforcing their tribal law in Pakistan, what threat is going to stop them from going completely wild in the much gentler UK?

Yet due to politically correct fears about being accused of racism and islamophobia, UK government isn't even willing to brutally crack down on such communities ignoring the law of the land when it does find out, unlike Pakistani government.
These people should have never been in the UK in the first place, and they should be sent back to the self-made shitholes they came from at first opportunity.

While you both make good points, the issue is that there is little reason this will happen as feminism has too much power and prestige in society and there is nothing stopping feminism and supporters to push away those laws.

Which is purely a "top of the society" problem. Media, managerial elites, politicians, celebrities, political and cultural elites in other words, so many of vocally support feminism, and those who don't are ostracized exceptions or explicitely right wing politicians and pundits.
Meanwhile among normal people:

Less than a third of American women identify as feminists

“Feminism” fails to resonate with the majority of American women, according to a National Geographic/Ipsos poll.

www.ipsos.com

Among barely a third of women consider themselves feminists. Even among young democrat women its just a bit shy of half.
You can only guess that it is even lower among men.

 

[LifeisTiresome]

Which is purely a "top of the society" problem. Media, managerial elites, politicians, celebrities, political and cultural elites in other words, so many of vocally support feminism, and those who don't are ostracized exceptions or explicitely right wing politicians and pundits.
Meanwhile among normal people:

Less than a third of American women identify as feminists

“Feminism” fails to resonate with the majority of American women, according to a National Geographic/Ipsos poll.

www.ipsos.com

Among barely a third of women consider themselves feminists. Even among young democrat women its just a bit shy of half.

The thing though is that I don't buy into they are only feminist if they declare themselves as such. You can have women who say that they are not feminists but do and espouse feminist pov or past feminist pov.

 

[Marduk]

The thing though is that I don't buy into they are only feminist if they declare themselves as such. You can have women who say that they are not feminists but do and espouse feminist pov or past feminist pov.

Yes, there is a large number of clueless people not well oriented in the politics of it, who would not recognize a feminist policy if it hit them in the face.
But hey, these people are most likely to think of these things whatever the media and stupid celebrities tell them to think, and i've talked about what the media think, so solve that problem, and the lemmings won't be much of a problem either...

 

[Harlock]

No, after all there are numerous organized crime groups around Europe and hardly any local ones do this kind of stuff on this kind of scale - its more about being specific cultural subdivision of Muslims - namely a large portion of the UK Muslims being from Pakistan/Afghanistan region, infamous for their horrible even by the standards of Islamic world customs.

Outrage as girl, 16, is sentenced to be raped in retaliation for her BROTHER sexually abusing 13-year-old girl

CAMPAIGNERS have reacted with fury after a village council in Pakistan ordered the rape of a 16-year-old girl as revenge for her brother’s sexual assault of another girl. Pakistani police hav…

www.thesun.co.uk

Yes, you read that right. Some of the insular tribal groups are so crazy with this stuff that even Pakistani law is not radical enough for them, and so they are used to taking things into their own hands. As you often hear of news in Pakistan, often it means AK wielding hands at that.
So, sanity check - if a large number of the demographic, in tolerance of the rest of their fellows (note that in this case it was a village council, not some criminals hiding from the general society), is willing to risk death in combat or spending the rest of life in third world prison conditions for the sake of enforcing their tribal law in Pakistan, what threat is going to stop them from going completely wild in the much gentler UK?

Yet due to politically correct fears about being accused of racism and islamophobia, UK government isn't even willing to brutally crack down on such communities ignoring the law of the land when it does find out, unlike Pakistani government.
These people should have never been in the UK in the first place, and they should be sent back to the self-made shitholes they came from at first opportunity.

I have absolutely no doubt some do it because they are evil bastards, but at the bottom of it there is money. They found a niche and filled it by exploiting a vulnerable demographic that no one cared about and was reluctant to investigate. There is definitely a racial element, but its only part of it. The investigation into these groups has found plenty of non-English girls used too but they'll never come forward to testify in numbers for obvious reasons.

Also worth noting that when these gangs started getting taken down a few years back you saw a sudden boom in Albanian sex traffickers springing up, but their business model was to import the girls instead of source them locally. Possibly coincidence of course but does look like filling a vacuum.

The big issue with these groups was that they did tend to be made up of people who on the surface were respectable. No criminal record, holding down a job, often with family, they wouldn't fit the normal profile for pimps and traffickers. The drug dealers are easy to spot as they flaunt their wealth, but these guys were much better at hiding. If someone with a criminal record and history of lying and making trouble accuses Mr Ahmed the local shop owner, or Mo the hard working Taxi driver then you have a conflict of credibility, police believe the family man with a small business who pays all his taxes and helps in the community before they believe drug taking tearaways. They shouldn't, they should judge each case by its merits, but they were pretty rubbish.

There were some massive failures and racism plays its part, but it would be an error to assign the motive of just racism or multiculti or whatever to this. It has a political aspect but right now they are in prison, if it was that bad they'd have walked free from court to keep doing it.
The police ballsed it up and it is from my reading more a cultural failing than a race one. People didn't give a damn about these kids, didn't believe them and pretty much dumped them as not worth the effort. That is absolutely terrible, it is the opposite of what should have happened and these gangs preyed on that because they knew they could.
But it is definitely far more than just Muslims and race, these gangs coincide with other cases of mass child abuse of exactly the same type of kids but by white people, it was a massive failure of policing and culture over decades they tried to cover up.

By itself it could be easy to see it as just Muslim gangs, but in context of other cases its part of the police failing to listen to victims because of who they were. It included members of parliament, celebs, the wealthy and quite possibly royalty more recently. All took place over the same decades

 

[Cherico]

How does any country get rid of those things? They're popular with half the electorate and immigrants coming in want the same or more.

you run out of other peoples money.

 

[Lord Sovereign]

As someone who deems a woman a sovereign human being, I think it's semi-appalling to strip away their rights for the moral failings of feminism. I don't see why, for the deranged ravings of a few, my mother, sister, aunt and nan should have their liberties infringed upon.

The 19th century and separate spheres are not coming back in any formal way. Get over it, and maybe you might become electorally viable instead of a bunch of Neo-reactionaries the general public rightfully scoff at.

 

[Fleiur]

you run out of other peoples money.

How do we stop California from robbing the rest of the country?

 

[Cherico]

How do we stop California from robbing the rest of the country?

Have the president or congress say no when we are forced to go begging for a bail out in around 2 years or so. Though we might be able to bullshit our way to 4 years.

 

[Fleiur]

Have the president or congress say no when we are forced to go begging for a bail out in around 2 years or so. Though we might be able to bullshit our way to 4 years.

We'll see. I think they'll try to sue for it somehow.

 

[LifeisTiresome]

As someone who deems a woman a sovereign human being, I think it's semi-appalling to strip away their rights for the moral failings of feminism. I don't see why, for the deranged ravings of a few, my mother, sister, aunt and nan should have their liberties infringed upon.

The 19th century and separate spheres are not coming back in any formal way. Get over it, and maybe you might become electorally viable instead of a bunch of Neo-reactionaries the general public rightfully scoff at.

Its why I have the position that I have and my position is far more egalitarian then the feminists as they say that men can't have companion bots as thats misogyny.

Hell, the only way women lose rights is via civilizational collapse and if one believes that Feminism will bring that about then you shouldn't oppose feminism. Infact, you should encourage it to become even more outrageous and depraved. Accelerationism ho!

 

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

And don't you fucking dare insinuate I support drag kids and all that shit. Don't you fucking dare. Because it will be the last thing you say on this board.

wait what? Why would you make a threat like this instead of just debating the fuck out of the guy?

How many have you seen in person? I have plenty of female friends. I have met one girl crazy enough to think like this, and she isn't even that crazy! Thes people you talk about are like the people that catch covid twice

People who wanna disenfranchise women fail to grasp that women aren't the problem..Cultural Deconstruction is.

Go back in history, some of the most violent, sadistic and traditionalistic societies were matriarchies. Women were giving fucked up babies over to bizarre animal or star gods in our ancient past long before they started dying their hair and gaining 900lbs and inventing non existent genders.

Women..Historically seem to have functioned as keepers of the culture, as living purity tests more oft than not. Try and force them to suppress that drive in the name of tearing shit down and you get final wave feminism...27 million abortions and other horrors. But men have gone just as crazy in the same amount of time.


edit- Why are people still confused about Islam? It's not a religion of peace, to paraphrase the founder of modern Turkey it's an Arab pyramid scheme and all it ever does is destroy the people who are suckered into it for the benefit of said Arabs.

Any way two cents on the Rotterdam saga; Girls were turned into kebabs because the UK is populated by cowards who are so afraid of being called Racist or Nationalist or Fascist that they won't even stand up for their own children. Enoch Powell was absolutely right...

That Muslim gangs were the ones who did it only shows how pathetic, cattle like and happily enslaved and meek the English are. As they're the ones who allowed the activist and Bureaucratic classes to condemn any attempts to defend against it.

That and social workers are human traffickers with a government salary....But that is a seperate issue.

Ontopic, most social workers are women...

 

[LifeisTiresome]

Women..Historically seem to have functioned as keepers of the culture, as living purity tests more oft than not. Try and force them to suppress that drive in the name of tearing shit down and you get final wave feminism...27 million abortions and other horrors. But men have gone just as crazy in the same amount of time.

Well if you have this position then, women have declared that Western civilization is an abomination that needs to be replaced by migrants from elsewhere as shown by how they are enthusiastic for migrants and thus you would accept this no?

 

[Harlock]

wait what? Why would you make a threat like this instead of just debating the fuck out of the guy?View attachment 345

Sometimes even I can lose my temper Especially in the face of just... well you read it. I mean the guy isn't wrong, that stuff happens, just needs to be smarter in expressing it I reckon

 

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

Well if you have this position then, women have declared that Western civilization is an abomination that needs to be replaced by migrants from elsewhere as shown by how they are enthusiastic for migrants and thus you would accept this no?

If my position was "Women are keepers of the culture" as opposed to "Women, seemed to have functioned thusly" then sure.

What I actually said was that Deconstructionist thought has raped western women, mentally and forced them to ignore their instincts and drive and has twisted the woman into some...mindless screech beast that hates herself as much as she resents her children. Or the ones she hasn't aborted any way! She curses her womb, lies about her father and brothers, disrespects her mother and debases her sisters almost as she maims herself.

Which is the opposite of the position you inferred, but what I said in actuality.

Sometimes even I can lose my temper Especially in the face of just... well you read it. I mean the guy isn't wrong, that stuff happens, just needs to be smarter in expressing it I reckon

Hah I don't blame you.

For the record: Culture is the problem..or rather the current gleeful lack thereof. Not gender.

Edit- We are..as a species, blinding and deafening ourselves in the name of short sighted petulance then proceeding to wonder why so many of us wander off cliffs...if we even retain the ability to recognize cliffs at all..or indeed, that anyone has fallen.

There needs to be a global-right wing, Romanesque nationalist revolt.

There is indeed a need for a great reset...but not one of degenerate intellectuals and pedophilic financial pimps and one to return us to what we truly are. As a species, not individual ethnic groups.

An animal whose sole goals in life are to proliferate and assert and impose its will upon the universe.

tldr: Make homosapiens superior again!

 

[almostinsane]

Well if you have this position then, women have declared that Western civilization is an abomination that needs to be replaced by migrants from elsewhere as shown by how they are enthusiastic for migrants and thus you would accept this no?

Defund the humanities and we will see this clear up in 10-20 years.

 

[Cherico]

We'll see. I think they'll try to sue for it somehow.

we would defiantly try because we will be very desperate, if that fails the goal will be to declare bankruptcy while not ideal is better then being on the hook for all of it.

 

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

Defund the humanities and we will see this clear up in 10-20 years.

You don't even have to do that.

Just make it mandatory that as many Colonel Dubois exist as "Professor soy with a beard so poorly formed and patchy even a dog with total mange would go "bruh get help" number 231777"

Edit- you think for a second these dysgenic, soft handed morons would be able to influence a god damn thing next to some right winger or hell..An apolitical someone so long as either has had life experience and practiced the profession outside their teaching of the ivory tower?

Fuck no, they'd get disenfranchised by popular consent in about a year.

 

[LifeisTiresome]

Defund the humanities and we will see this clear up in 10-20 years.

But why? According to some people, nothing is happening and its just minority (in terms of numbers not race or whatever). Just grill away.

At any rate, they are starting to infect the other disciplines last I heard.

My work place is lousy with endless emails about diversity and inclusivity and equity blathering. I somehow doubt though that actual equity where the CEO gives away their money will happen. Funny that.

 

[Lord Sovereign]

That Muslim gangs were the ones who did it only shows how pathetic, cattle like and happily enslaved and meek the English are. As they're the ones who allowed the activist and Bureaucratic classes to condemn any attempts to defend against it.

Thank you very much for damning and indicting myself and my people for something we had no knowledge of, and no control over.

Fuck you very much for accusing me of allowing those girls to be raped. For I am an Englishman and remain proud of it, regardless of how retarded our elites have become.

 

[LifeisTiresome]

Thank you very much for damning and indicting myself and my people for something we had no knowledge of, and no control over.

Fuck you very much for accusing me of allowing those girls to be raped. For I am an Englishman and remain proud of it, regardless of how retarded our elites have become.

Why am I being quoted? I didn't say this. That was said by @The Immortal Watch Dog