Culture Female sexuality and the necessity of Patriarchy

[Guncannon]

My college philosophy class sucked TBH.

How so? It perplexes me to imagine with your penchant for grandiosity coupled with your churlish, nihilistic stance on life to not find felicity within a subject rife with overbearing flowery language and rhetoric.

But seriously, I'm surprised you didn't enjoy it.

Joy for one. Love for another. Honor for three.

That is three things just off the top of my head that are worth more than freedom.

The first two benefit greatly from freedom.

 

[Deleted member 88]

How so? It perplexes me to imagine with your penchant for grandiosity coupled with your churlish, nihilistic stance on life to not find felicity within a subject rife with overbearing flowery language and rhetoric.

But seriously, I'm surprised you didn't enjoy it.

It was an entry level class, and the professor was kind of mediocre. Also most of my peers in said class were far too stupid and indifferent to make it enjoyable in the slightest degree. I’m also not a nihilist tho?

The first two benefit greatly from freedom.

Joy and love if genuine and fulfilling are greater than absolute freedom, and do not need freedom to exist.

 

[Zachowon]

It was an entry level class, and the professor was kind of mediocre. Also most of my peers in said class were far too stupid and indifferent to make it enjoyable in the slightest degree. I’m also not a nihilist tho?


Joy and love if genuine and fulfilling are greater than absolute freedom, and do not need freedom to exist.

One needs freeodm for joy in some sort.
it can happen without freedom but it is a LOT easier with it.
And love one needs freedom for.
because in some places they cant choose their love.

 

[Deleted member 88]

One needs freeodm for joy in some sort.

Not really?

it can happen without freedom but it is a LOT easier with it.

We may be referring to different conceptions of joy then.

And love one needs freedom for.
because in some places they cant choose their love.

Some things must not be tolerated or indulged. Even over the objections of individuals.

 

[Zachowon]

Not really?


We may be referring to different conceptions of joy then.


Some things must not be tolerated or indulged. Even over the objections of individuals.

Without Freedom Joy is limited and does not lead anywhere.

Then it isn't Love. If someone truly loves someone, then why prevent them from doing so (Barring pedophiles.)

 

[Guncannon]

It was an entry level class, and the professor was kind of mediocre. Also most of my peers in said class were far too stupid and indifferent to make it enjoyable in the slightest degree. I’m also not a nihilist tho?

That first part was a tongue in cheek joke for the most part, but from what I've seen of you on this site I'm getting nihilistic vibes. Just my impression.

Joy and love if genuine and fulfilling are greater than absolute freedom, and do not need freedom to exist.

Now now, no need to shift goalposts here. We're talking about freedom, not nitpicking whether or not its "absolute". Love cannot display itself if there is no freedom for it to thrive. Joy can emerge from many places, but the restriction on freedom narrows the pool from which joy may draw.

We may be referring to different conceptions of joy then.

Illogical; Joy is joy. Joy is pleasure and happiness. What creates joy will differ among individuals.

Some things must not be tolerated or indulged. Even over the objections of individuals.

Okay and? If you want to make a point then say it.

 

[Deleted member 88]

That first part was a tongue in cheek joke for the most part, but from what I've seen of you on this site I'm getting nihilistic vibes. Just my impression.

I’m just very outspoken and forthright. I’m not a nihilist because I believe in a world to come. And life everlasting. I’m a pessimist, as far as this imminent world of now goes.

Now now, no need to shift goalposts here. We're talking about freedom, not nitpicking whether or not its "absolute". Love cannot display itself if there is no freedom for it to thrive. Joy can emerge from many places, but the restriction on freedom narrows the pool from which joy may draw.

Forgive me then. Love doesn’t need freedom. Though it depends on the sort of love you are referring to. Joy, is internal entirely. To have true joy, it can be a rainy day and you can be slaving away in irons-in that state you can still be joyful.

Illogical; Joy is joy. Joy is pleasure and happiness. What creates joy will differ among individuals.

Joy isn’t just happiness. It’s a state of absolute bliss, contentment, wonder, and gosh-it’s too elemental to really describe. Except that if you feel it, the world outside of yourself doesn’t matter at all. And could be ending.

Okay and? If you want to make a point then say it.

Homosexuality was what I was referring to, I felt the implication fairly obvious.

 

[Guncannon]

I’m just very outspoken and forthright. I’m not a nihilist because I believe in a world to come. And life everlasting. I’m a pessimist, as far as this imminent world of now goes.

You might still think yourself a pessimist, but from what I've seen you have one foot in the door of nihilism already. Take care, because beyond that door is simply a pit.

Joy, is internal entirely. To have true joy, it can be a rainy day and you can be slaving away in irons-in that state you can still be joyful.

As much as I wish mind over matter really worked like that, unless you're one of those Tibetan monks trained to induce yourself in a trance/meditation then the physical conditions of that environment are going to be pretty detrimental in one's attempt to be joyful. Your body and subconscious are going to be setting off alarms about how these conditions are a danger to your survival.

If you personally don't need freedom and can find joy in that scenario, keep in mind the vast majority of slaves throughout history were not.

Joy isn’t just happiness. It’s a state of absolute bliss, contentment, wonder, and gosh-it’s too elemental to really describe. Except that if you feel it, the world outside of yourself doesn’t matter at all. And could be ending.

That's....euphoria. Joy is more along the lines of having a good time with friends, enjoying a hobby you love (ah! love begets joy), celebrating an event, etc.

Forgive me then. Love doesn’t need freedom. Though it depends on the sort of love you are referring to.

Homosexuality was what I was referring to, I felt the implication fairly obvious.

So you contradict yourself there in denying the freedom of homosexuals to love each other. Love needs freedom. And don't try to obfuscate with "well what love are we talking about", because that's irrelevant.

Imagine being having a mutual lover (who we will assume is a fully consenting adult, so no "but what if pedophiles" bullshit) and being told the two of your can never be together because someone wants to restrict your freedom. No joy there.

 

[Deleted member 88]

You might still think yourself a pessimist, but from what I've seen you have one foot in the door of nihilism already. Take care, because beyond that door is simply a pit.

I’m going to get really real with you here, and tell you flat out, that I have not embraced nihilism because if I had, I would buried now.

As much as I wish mind over matter really worked like that, unless you're one of those Tibetan monks trained to induce yourself in a trance/meditation then the physical conditions of that environment are going to be pretty detrimental in one's attempt to be joyful. Your body and subconscious are going to be setting off alarms about how these conditions are a danger to your survival.

If you personally don't need freedom and can find joy in that scenario, keep in mind the vast majority of slaves throughout history were not.

I didn’t say it was easy or even statistically likely. But even the person in the worst possible circumstances, can within themselves have joy. It’s rare, super rare. But it is possible because that is what joy is.

That's....euphoria. Joy is more along the lines of having a good time with friends, enjoying a hobby you love (ah! love begets joy), celebrating an event, etc.

That’s happiness. Which is entirely dependent on things external.

So you contradict yourself there in denying the freedom of homosexuals to love each other. Love needs freedom. And don't try to obfuscate with "well what love are we talking about", because that's irrelevant.

Imagine being having a mutual lover (who we will assume is a fully consenting adult, so no "but what if pedophiles" bullshit) and being told the two of your can never be together because someone wants to restrict your freedom. No joy there.

Certain forms of “love” should be socially and legally restricted, as is the freedom to indulge in such things. I did say, I don’t think freedom is the highest good after all?

 

[The Mandarin]

Seriously, my guy, you’re basically talking like the dime-a-dozen supervillains who get their clocks cleaned out whenever they’re trying to destroy the world.

Hate to break it to you, but most of the users on this site "sound" the way you're describing. So many here is so smug, formal and views his or herself as erudite. There's barely any flavor, color or personality in the few posts I've seen and from the happenings it sounds like the old bosses purposefully culled all the users with color or passion. Invictus is honest about how he views everyone else and seems to think he should subjected to the same restraints.

Without Freedom Joy is limited and does not lead anywhere.

Then it isn't Love. If someone truly loves someone, then why prevent them from doing so (Barring pedophiles.)

Joy without freedom is little more than a dopamine hit. If you want an example of the dysfunction Zach is talking about look at social media addicts and the modern left and you'll see exactly where that kind of "subjugation by addiction" leads.

 

[Deleted member 88]

Invictus is honest about how he views everyone else and seems to think he should subjected to the same restraints.

Ehrm what? I’ve advocated for just about everyone on the site including banned users and criticized the staff so much, much against my own self interest.If you want to talk about who is most colorful or passionate, I’ll tell you-the folks that stalk this site spend about ninety percent of their time talking about me. I’m so bloody passionate I’ve made more enemies than acquaintances.

If you read my posts, like in detail and as a whole; you will get an actual idea as to what I believe and my modus operandi on this site actually is.

 

[The Mandarin]

Ehrm what? I’ve advocated for just about everyone on the site including banned users. If you want to talk about who is most colorful or passionate, I’ll tell you-the folks that stalk this site spend about ninety percent of their time talking about me. I’m so bloody passionate I’ve made more enemies than acquaintances.

If you read my posts, like in detail and as a whole; you will get an actual idea as to what I believe and my modus operandi.

The way you express yourself is what I was remarking on with the last bit being in regards to your philosophy as expressed in this essay. You basically got triggered and confused two different points, s'okay though.

 

[Zachowon]

Hate to break it to you, but most of the users on this site "sound" the way you're describing. So many here is so smug, formal and views his or herself as erudite. There's barely any flavor, color or personality in the few posts I've seen and from the happenings it sounds like the old bosses purposefully culled all the users with color or passion. Invictus is honest about how he views everyone else and seems to think he should subjected to the same restraints.



Joy without freedom is little more than a dopamine hit. If you want an example of the dysfunction Zach is talking about look at social media addicts and the modern left and you'll see exactly where that kind of "subjugation by addiction" leads.

Eh, a lot of people argued with the mods, mostly for valid reasons

 

[Deleted member 88]

The way you express yourself is what I was remarking on with the last bit being in regards to your philosophy as expressed in this essay. You basically got triggered and confused two different points, s'okay though.

I’m seriously confused. Are you saying I want a standard of dull uniformity enforced on everyone or I have pretentious aims of appearing erudite and sophisticated?

 

[The Mandarin]

Eh, a lot of people argued with the mods, mostly for valid reasons

Probably. I don't know anything about that. I'm old school, from the internet sub culture that does the mods = Jannies bit and I was raised to believe the help shouldn't even be seen let alone heard.

I’m seriously confused. Are you saying I want a standard of dull uniformity enforced on everyone or I have pretentious aims of appearing erudite and sophisticated?

Neither. I was saying, the other guy shouldn't cast stones in glass towers.

 

[Deleted member 88]

The implication I’m sort of mod toadie is what I got.

That said, the person you spoke to did insist on me being banned. So he’s likely one of the other dozens of enemies I’ve acquired in the past year.

So add him to the list of people who want me banned, deplatformed, arrested, or worse.

 

[The Mandarin]

The implication I’m sort of mod toadie is what I got.

Then you read it wrong, no biggie.