Culture Female sexuality and the necessity of Patriarchy

I think most of us are in our twenties here.

If that's the case I guess I'm an old fart...Since I actually remember the last three years of the 80's heckk.png


Yes, mothers who are usually broken and corrupted.

Goes back to Harlock and my point about the issue being culture...Modern women are absolutely defiled in the name of their liberation..and made a slave of vices that cheapen their liberty.

Someone made a good point once "Go tell Katarina Sforza that she had no agency or female empowerment, after your third turn being her private army's buttboy I'm sure you'll realize how stupid that assertion was, or maybe you'll realize it on the torture rack during the after party".

I think women over the last decade and change have been sold a lie..and now see debasement and self hatred as liberty...and then you wonder why even more children are a disaster now.
 
If that's the case I guess I'm an old fart...Since I actually remember the last three years of the 80's View attachment 375
Oh. I just thought that most. I stand corrected. There are others in their thirties.
Goes back to Harlock and my point about the issue being culture...Modern women are absolutely defiled in the name of their liberation..and made a slave of vices that cheapen their liberty.

Someone made a good point once "Go tell Katarina Sforza that she had no agency or female empowerment, after your third turn being her private army's buttboy I'm sure you'll realize how stupid that assertion was, or maybe you'll realize it on the torture rack during the after party".

I think women over the last decade and change have been sold a lie..and now see debasement and self hatred as liberty...and then you wonder why even more children are a disaster now.

And I agree with you.

It still goes back to marriage. Husband and wife. Children needs a father and a mother. Broken marriages and broken families have damaged a lot of people.
 
Someone made a good point once "Go tell Katarina Sforza that she had no agency or female empowerment, after your third turn being her private army's buttboy I'm sure you'll realize how stupid that assertion was, or maybe you'll realize it on the torture rack during the after party".

I think women over the last decade and change have been sold a lie..and now see debasement and self hatred as liberty...and then you wonder why even more children are a disaster now.
That's definately the case. In the early 2000s women and homosexuals had already achieved full equality, both before the law and in society, at least in Germany. We had gay mayors of million people cities, a gay foreign minister, lesbian talk show hosts for the flagship political shows around here, female ministers, and a female chancellor, female action stars... and all of a sudden, fifteen years later everybody acts as if we've just left some dark age of oppression now?! Wtf?
 
It’s not supposed to explain everything? But I would say that yes law and custom and culture restrains the extremely powerful male sexual drive, the same way it does female sexual urges.

In just about every society, rape is not tolerated even if it’s condemned on patriarchal property based grounds. When men are desperate, angry, and in moments of primal lust and fury-they rape. Especially in times of war.

At our basest nature, we are savages. Part of the purpose of civilization is to refine and discipline and channel human primal urges that if left unchanneled lead to everyone acting in a bestial and savage way.

Men and women both.
That's all fine and dandy, but it doesn't pertain to your original post. If men hold power over women's bodies, how does that prevent rape and domestic abuse?
 
Oh. I just thought that most. I stand corrected. There are others in their thirties.


And I agree with you.

It still goes back to marriage. Husband and wife. Children needs a father and a mother. Broken marriages and broken families have damaged a lot of people.
I would tentatively agree with you with two caveats: the exact gender configuration of the parents doesn't matter (and you don't actually need two parents either if you have a robust familial support network nearby; the important thing is to not put it all on one person), and preventing people who are broken together from getting to leave is worse.
 
Defund the humanities and we will see this clear up in 10-20 years.

No. The problem is an oversupply of university educated people whose credentials do not match their status. A person with a degree in communications believes they belong in the elite, but when they are working in starbucks there is a mismatch between thier expectations and their reality. So they start to cause trouble. To control this, the system creates sinecures for them. Thus we get resentment studies programs, diversity consultants, NGOs and the entire Social Justice clergy. They are allowed to loot and abuse the deplorables, and in return they dont actually threaten the system in any serious way.

The real solution is to restructure our education system and stricly limit the number of people who enter University.
 
I would tentatively agree with you with two caveats: the exact gender configuration of the parents doesn't matter (and you don't actually need two parents either if you have a robust familial support network nearby; the important thing is to not put it all on one person),
No. It does matter. Kids need their father (male) and mother (female). It's instinct.

You do need your biological parents. Even adopted kids are curious to know who their real parents are. And kids who grow up in a single-parent household want to know who their other parent is.

Once the family is broken, it leaves an impact on the child.

and preventing people who are broken together from getting to leave is worse.
And what's the root cause of being broken?
 
No. The problem is an oversupply of university educated people whose credentials do not match their status. A person with a degree in communications believes they belong in the elite, but when they are working in starbucks there is a mismatch between thier expectations and their reality. So they start to cause trouble. To control this, the system creates sinecures for them. Thus we get resentment studies programs, diversity consultants, NGOs and the entire Social Justice clergy. They are allowed to loot and abuse the deplorables, and in return they dont actually threaten the system in any serious way.

The real solution is to restructure our education system and stricly limit the number of people who enter University.

True, I really believe we need to require entrance exams for colleges and emphasize STEM/trade schools.
 
It’s a interesting question about the effects of two traditional parents in children as opposed to alternatives - single mom, single dad, step parent, two gay men, two lesbians, grandparents, adoption, etc.

People are so biased and may be a bit too quick to draw conclusions from limited data. It is true that children raised by their married biological parents do better statistically than children born out of wedlock. That may be correlation and not causation, I think we’d need more data to conclusively draw that conclusion. I don’t necessarily assume that two monogamous gay parents have the same effect on children as a heterosexual monogamous couple. Not only is there limited data, but academia is so biased that they would likely suppress any study or data that showed gay parents to be worse than heterosexual parents.
 
It’s a interesting question about the effects of two traditional parents in children as opposed to alternatives - single mom, single dad, step parent, two gay men, two lesbians, grandparents, adoption, etc.

People are so biased and may be a bit too quick to draw conclusions from limited data. It is true that children raised by their married biological parents do better statistically than children born out of wedlock. That may be correlation and not causation, I think we’d need more data to conclusively draw that conclusion. I don’t necessarily assume that two monogamous gay parents have the same effect on children as a heterosexual monogamous couple. Not only is there limited data, but academia is so biased that they would likely suppress any study or data that showed gay parents to be worse than heterosexual parents.

Imagine how hard it is to raise a child, the fincial costs, all the work that needs to be done, the extra eyes ect.

This is an act that was once done by clans, by extended families, you had aunts, uncles, cousins, grandparents, and a host of other people who helped you raise your child and in return you helped them.

Now take all of that help and force the entire burden onto one singular person.

Is it any wonder the children of single parents do worse?
 
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Single moms zaru.png

edit- To be clear I'm not saying all single moms are a disaster...but a lot of them are.

It’s a interesting question about the effects of two traditional parents in children as opposed to alternatives - single mom, single dad, step parent, two gay men, two lesbians, grandparents, adoption, etc.

People are so biased and may be a bit too quick to draw conclusions from limited data. It is true that children raised by their married biological parents do better statistically than children born out of wedlock. That may be correlation and not causation, I think we’d need more data to conclusively draw that conclusion. I don’t necessarily assume that two monogamous gay parents have the same effect on children as a heterosexual monogamous couple. Not only is there limited data, but academia is so biased that they would likely suppress any study or data that showed gay parents to be worse than heterosexual parents.

It depends on the gay couple, at the turn of this century (Fuck I feel old now), I used to work out at a gym with some of the most "based" motherfuckers on earth. Some of these guys were even former Carabineros and other Junta Mil Pol....There were these two enormous lumberjack looking motherfuckers who taught me a lot about survivalism and boxing.

I didn't realize until about a year and change working out there, that almost all of those dudes were gay. The two lumberjacks adopted this Chinese girl, she had a fairly awesome childhood. She's 21 now, married and keeps nagging her husband to knock her up, kids got baby on the brain like you wouldn't believe.

She never once was pressured, brainwashed or fucked with.

But her dads were paleocons and she grew up around literal Gay Right Wing deathsquad dudes...So I'm willing to bet dollars to donuts her experience raised by gay guys is not the norm.

Especially when most Lesbian parents apparently aggressively try to make their foster kids gay and seethepost all over twitter about it failing.

Also..an aside but its hilarious how many LGBT people I know that are either openly fascist militantly anti "degeneracy"...I think they rebel against pride culture so hard they go to the other extreme.

Not that opposing degeneracy is bad.
 
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Imagine how hard it is to raise a child, the fincial costs, all the work that needs to be done, the extra eyes ect.

This is an act that was once done by clans, by extended families, you had aunts, uncles, cousins, grandparents, and a host of other people who helped you raise your child and in return you helped them.

Now take all of that help and force the entire burden onto one singular person.

Is it any wonder the children of single parents do worse?
Absolutely, it does make sense that children of single parents would do worse, and I personally believe that being the child of a single parent does lead to worse outcomes. But I want to be careful not to let the correlation in combination with our intuition and values lead us to overestimate the effects. I am trying to be objective in questioning if the worse life outcomes for children raised by single parents are entirely because they are raised by single parents or if there could be some other more powerful factors that could be causing that correlation. It's why I said I think we need more data.

Intuitively, we can say that children benefit from and have traditionally benefited from a lot of people helping to raise and influence them, so lacking a parent (usually father) would have a negative effect. But, is the lack of a father countered by more exposure to the mother's family? By peers, teachers, babysitters, day care workers, and so on? My intuition would say not, but I don't want to draw too many conclusions without hard data.

One kind of data I would like to look at is for families where one parent died when the children were very young. Lets say we look at Group A which are children raised by their mothers and whose mothers were never married and never had a substantial relationship with their fathers. Group B would be children whose fathers died in some freak accident when the children were very young. We could have Group C as well, a control group of sorts with children who were raised by both parents in a stable marriage.

Will children in Group B have the same or close level of dysfunction as the children from Group A? That is what the prevailing hypothesis among conservatives would predict. If Group B is closer to Group C though, then that might lead us to believe that the two parent hypothesis is wrong. If Group B is somewhere in between A and C, then that would lead us to think that having two parents or not is an important factor in this correlation between social dysfunction and single parenthood, but not the only factor.

It could be the case, for example, that the kind pf people who are unmarried and get pregnant are less responsible in general and so make worse parents, that a responsible single mother (a widow by random chance) has more well adjusted children. Maybe unmarried people who have kids have lower IQ's and low time preference and so those negative traits are passed onto their children through genes, so upbringing isn't as important. I'm not claiming that these hypotheses are true, but that they possibly are or that there could be similar confounding influences. Like I said, we would need more data.

On that topic, if I had the resources to gather lots of data and do lots of studies, it might be interesting to compare 2 parent heterosexual households to 2 parent homosexual households - though I think that there are so many other variables at play there that a true comparison would be impossible. Though it be at least attempting to learn if children do better from just having 2 parents or from having a male and a female parent.
 
It depends on the gay couple, at the turn of this century (Fuck I feel old now), I used to work out at a gym with some of the most "based" motherfuckers on earth. Some of these guys were even former Carabineros and other Junta Mil Pol....There were these two enormous lumberjack looking motherfuckers who taught me a lot about survivalism and boxing.

I didn't realize until about a year and change working out there, that almost all of those dudes were gay. The two lumberjacks adopted this Chinese girl, she had a fairly awesome childhood. She's 21 now, married and keeps nagging her husband to knock her up, kids got baby on the brain like you wouldn't believe.

She never once was pressured, brainwashed or fucked with.

But her dads were paleocons and she grew up around literal Gay Right Wing deathsquad dudes...So I'm willing to bet dollars to donuts her experience raised by gay guys is not the norm.

Especially when most Lesbian parents apparently aggressively try to make their foster kids gay and seethepost all over twitter about it failing.

Also..an aside but its hilarious how many LGBT people I know that are either openly fascist militantly anti "degeneracy"...I think they rebel against pride culture so hard they go to the other extreme.

Not that opposing degeneracy is bad.

You edited that in while I was typing so I didn't reply. You make a good point here and it actually addresses why it could be hard to study the effects of gay parents compared to straight ones.

Gay couples with children are necessarily outliers. They can't get pregnant accidentally. They can't be too dysfunctional and adopt, because adopting can be hard and there are regulations in place. Maybe we could compare straight parents who adopted to gay parents who adopted? That would eliminate a lot of other variables.

Statistically speaking, there are probably some trends among gays that might lead them to being worse parents on average, but gay parents aren't going to be the average gay people.
 
You edited that in while I was typing so I didn't reply. You make a good point here and it actually addresses why it could be hard to study the effects of gay parents compared to straight ones.

Gay couples with children are necessarily outliers. They can't get pregnant accidentally. They can't be too dysfunctional and adopt, because adopting can be hard and there are regulations in place. Maybe we could compare straight parents who adopted to gay parents who adopted? That would eliminate a lot of other variables.

Statistically speaking, there are probably some trends among gays that might lead them to being worse parents on average, but gay parents aren't going to be the average gay people.


I have zero problems with Gay parents, my problem is taking some thing as big as child rearing and going at it alone. Hell I think leaving the extended family model to go with the nuclear family model was a mistake because it got rid of an important support network that made child rearing easier.
 
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You edited that in while I was typing so I didn't reply. You make a good point here and it actually addresses why it could be hard to study the effects of gay parents compared to straight ones.]

One thing to note is that the abuse stats for adopted kids tends to be pretty high no matter who raises them IIRC. Mental problems as well.
They can't be too dysfunctional and adopt, because adopting can be hard and there are regulations in place.

Actually no, gay people, especially ones even minutely connected in local political machines are able to adopt children with a snap of their fingers. Trannies as well, which is unfortunate because a lot of times its at the expense of the children and loving foster parents who get "put down the line".

It's why also Child sexual abuse among LGBT parents is rarely documented but when it is, its in the eighty percentile. Groomers, gonna groom.

Maybe we could compare straight parents who adopted to gay parents who adopted? That would eliminate a lot of other variables.

Compare the suicide, drop out, self harming, depression and prison rates of their adoptive children.

And that's literally the only way you'll get any indicator because malicious actors bury any attempts to study it any other way. You'd have to literally dox then sift through the personal lives of these poor souls to find the info.


Statistically speaking, there are probably some trends among gays that might lead them to being worse parents on average, but gay parents aren't going to be the average gay people.

Spousal abuse and divorce rates are IIRC slightly higher than the average for EVUL CIS people.
 
One kind of data I would like to look at is for families where one parent died when the children were very young. Lets say we look at Group A which are children raised by their mothers and whose mothers were never married and never had a substantial relationship with their fathers. Group B would be children whose fathers died in some freak accident when the children were very young. We could have Group C as well, a control group of sorts with children who were raised by both parents in a stable marriage.

Will children in Group B have the same or close level of dysfunction as the children from Group A? That is what the prevailing hypothesis among conservatives would predict. If Group B is closer to Group C though, then that might lead us to believe that the two parent hypothesis is wrong. If Group B is somewhere in between A and C, then that would lead us to think that having two parents or not is an important factor in this correlation between social dysfunction and single parenthood, but not the only factor.
Knowing that your father died and your father left and has another family are two different things. And have different effects.

For one, in this scenario, if the mother has a good relationship with her parents, her parents will help her raise the kid. The grandparents will fill in the void, and the mother will be a role model to the kid for her sacrifice of raising him or her despite his/her father dying.

On the other hand, knowing that your father left for another family will leave you questioning things such as what made your father leave. And, of course, you will compare to his new family.
 
Children need a mother and a father.

Daughters need a mother to emulate, to learn to become a kind woman of grace, as well as know what a good man looks like by looking at her father. A daughter raised by a single father... or two fathers... won't learn to become a good woman. She will try to emulate being a man.

Sons need a father to emulate, to learn to become a honorable, hard working man, as well as know what a good woman looks like by looking at his mother. A son raised by a single mother... or two mothers... won't learn to become a good man. he will become a wimpy man without morals or drive.

Children need a mother to love them, but also a stern father to keep them on the right path and set them straight when they err. Without a mother, the child may be less empathetic. Without a father, the child will lack strong morals and will be prone to poor decision making and crime.

Children should ideally be raised by their biologically parents. Being passed around multiple foster homes is damaging; you don't grow roots or a family you know you can rely on. With step parents or adopted parents, there is always the fear that they won't love you as much as your biological parents, and nothing hurts more when your step siblings get more love than you.
 
Children need a mother and a father.

Daughters need a mother to emulate, to learn to become a kind woman of grace, as well as know what a good man looks like by looking at her father. A daughter raised by a single father... or two fathers... won't learn to become a good woman. She will try to emulate being a man.

Sons need a father to emulate, to learn to become a honorable, hard working man, as well as know what a good woman looks like by looking at his mother. A son raised by a single mother... or two mothers... won't learn to become a good man. he will become a wimpy man without morals or drive.

Children need a mother to love them, but also a stern father to keep them on the right path and set them straight when they err. Without a mother, the child may be less empathetic. Without a father, the child will lack strong morals and will be prone to poor decision making and crime.

Children should ideally be raised by their biologically parents. Being passed around multiple foster homes is damaging; you don't grow roots or a family you know you can rely on. With step parents or adopted parents, there is always the fear that they won't love you as much as your biological parents, and nothing hurts more when your step siblings get more love than you.
Now I'm curious. What would you prescribe if someone has two biological parents who are women: one cis and one trans?
 

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