Culture Female sexuality and the necessity of Patriarchy

[LifeisTiresome]

A few things I think should be worth noting.

Male and Female misbehavior feed into each other, female promiscuity feeds into the player/game culture with things like "pump and dump" being celebrated as manly acts. I do not think the Rooshv/PUA lifestyle is either admirable or desirable, its degenerate in its own way and gives men something empty and ultimately futile to waste their best years pursuing.

Secondly I do not recommend using the law to punish "loose women". I do believe that external social pressure and strong families can mitigate it though, and I would be open to bringing back arranged marriage-for boys and girls alike.

More than any law or social custom, what I think will really be productive is a transvaluation of social norms and ideals. We are a gynocracy, if not in the strict literal sense, definitely so in the cultural sense.

That said, harsh social penalties can not work on their own. A promiscuous party girl would face shame and social ostracism, an adulteress would lose in court by default-home, car, children, etc... If adultery can be proven. Perhaps a policy of marking adulteresses, with some sort of social credit penalty-might be worth looking into. This would be something tied to their name and something any prospective employer, new boyfriend, etc... would have access too.

These policies would not undue all the damage of the last sixty years, but it would reverse the worst trends and allow for a re-assertion of patriarchy culturally and legally which could if the momentum shifts be further entrenched in the law with broader and more specific laws.

While interesting, you haven't explained how this will all come to pass and be accepted.

 

[Deleted member 88]

While interesting, you haven't explained how this will all come to pass and be accepted.

You'd need more than a political movement, even a successful one. You basically need turn the whole of society.

Possibly some sort of metapolitical and metacultural movement, that works on changing the values and very norms taken for granted and convincing the public, then as momentum turns, its political and activist arms would be used to further the agenda along.

Ideally this sort of reform will not simply be imposed via the state, or even external social parties, but would seek to rejuvenate what is healthy and noble.

To do all of this, we are talking about a cultural and social revolution of sorts, ourselves.

And it would be a revolution-that is we aren't trying to fit modern times into some past ideal, whether the 1950s, 1890s, or 1000 BC, but institute the values and norms we want in today's world, with today's technological context.

Consider it a reactionary futurism. Because believe it or not technology can be useful-a social credit system can be useful, and if want to consider arranged marriages-well we have dating sites, and surely loving parents could use the internet to find families with children that would be well paired to their own. Not to mention new things like paternity tests, virtual learning, etc...

Can be used in the maintenance of a healthier society.

But we need to transform society, to get the public and governments alike to stop buying the fundamental assumptions of feminism, gender equality and so on and to understand their health and interests are in the society I have roughly described.

That will be where the work is.

 

[Arch Dornan]

I have already explained my pov of what I took your posts as. I stand by it and I don't care if you are so angry about it. Be angry. Not my problem. I never said you wanted to destroy the family. I said that the society you want which has education, freedom and modernity is going down that route regardless of your intentions and how you want it to be. If you wish to take this personal? Be my guest.

You have lots of doom pills but it can happen. Change is always happening in society.

 

[LifeisTiresome]

You'd need more than a political movement, even a successful one. You basically need turn the whole of society.

Possibly some sort of metapolitical and metacultural movement, that works on changing the values and very norms taken for granted and convincing the public, then as momentum turns, its political and activist arms would be used to further the agenda along.

Ideally this sort of reform will not simply be imposed via the state, or even external social parties, but would seek to rejuvenate what is healthy and noble.

To do all of this, we are talking about a cultural and social revolution of sorts, ourselves.

And it would be a revolution-that is we aren't trying to fit modern times into some past ideal, whether the 1950s, 1890s, or 1000 BC, but institute the values and norms we want in today's world, with today's technological context.

Consider it a reactionary futurism. Because believe it or not technology can be useful-a social credit system can be useful, and if want to consider arranged marriages-well we have dating sites, and surely loving parents could use the internet to find families with children that would be well paired to their own. Not to mention new things like paternity tests, virtual learning, etc...

Can be used in the maintenance of a healthier society.

But we need to transform society, to get the public and governments alike to stop buying the fundamental assumptions of feminist, gender equality and so on and to understand their health and interests are in the society I have roughly described.

That will be where the work is.

Thanks for the reply. Will take a look later when I'm back home.

You have lots of doom pills but it can happen. Change is always happening in society.

Well yeah, I hope things change. I'm not saying, we are doomed! and cause of this, don't do anything. Just give up.

Do something. You will have my support. Its just in my nature to nitpick but its just me making commentary. Nothing more. I'm cynical by nature but thats just me.

 

[Arch Dornan]

Well yeah, I hope things change. I'm not saying, we are doomed! and cause of this, don't do anything. Just give up.

Do something. You will have my support. Its just in my nature to nitpick but its just me making commentary. Nothing more. I'm cynical by nature but thats just me.

I'm pretty bad at doing change. Those people that are by starting discussions or movements are making real change even if there's grifts.

 

[Harlock]

I have already explained my pov of what I took your posts as. I stand by it and I don't care if you are so angry about it. Be angry. Not my problem. I never said you wanted to destroy the family. I said that the society you want which has education, freedom and modernity is going down that route regardless of your intentions and how you want it to be. If you wish to take this personal? Be my guest.

Anyway, I'm just going to ignore all your posts from this point onwards as we don't have any worthwhile discussion other then you getting angry and taking what I say personally.

And you are still misrepresenting my position about what I want from society

You've done nothing but lie and strawman, you can't even admit it.

Unfortunately your actions do have consequences, you don't get to pull this shit and walk away.

Rule 2c lets call it, lying and strawmanning despite being called out on it. Once would be excusable, but by this point its trolling. I reckon 3 months subforum ban is in order.



Or not.

 

[LifeisTiresome]

I'm pretty bad at doing change. Those people that are by starting discussions or movements are making real change even if there's grifts.

Like here . This post of mine.

The first hurdle with education is resting it from the control of Academia. Good luck with that and then having issues that what you are doing could well be called indoctrination and thus bad and cannot be allowed. So no go there.

You could create your own school but unless it affects the majority of the population of children, you are just affecting a small group and its not guaranteed that they will not just ignore you and do what they want cause hedonism is great. The trope of the Catholic schoolgirl exists after all.

Never mind that the family may not be into it and this is not unlikely seeing as we have apparently parents in Sweden pimping out their daughters to migrants for diversity + money I'm sure.

These are issues you will have trying to go the route of education fixing society. These are genuine criticisms. Now how do we overcome them is what we need to focus on.

And you are still misrepresenting my position about what I want from society

You've done nothing but lie and strawman, you can't even admit it.

Unfortunately your actions do have consequences, you don't get to pull this shit and walk away.

Rule 2c lets call it, lying and strawmanning despite being called out on it. Once would be excusable, but by this point its trolling. I reckon 3 months subforum ban is in order.

if you wish to abuse your mod powers? Go ahead, that just shows how weak you are more then anything else. I said my peace and have explained myself multiple times but you still don't get it and take it personal. Be angry all you want.

 

[LifeisTiresome]

Or not.

Do it then and stop posturing as if you are some fighter. You are a mod on an internet forum. Nothing more. Stop acting so self-righteous and pretentious.

 

[Deleted member 88]

Since this is my thread, I'd ask everyone and especially @LifeisTiresome to calm down. No need for fights or infractions.

That said, to the people who asked, Life has done his own research on some of the more heinous things feminists have said and advocated, and its clearly something he is bothered by(and rightfully so).

So I would beseech everyone to be understanding, even if you don't agree with him(and I certainly don't).

 

[Harlock]

if you wish to abuse your mod powers? Go ahead, that just shows how weak you are more then anything else. I said my peace and have explained myself multiple times but you still don't get it and take it personal. Be angry all you want.

It won't be me I'm just telling you that you have crossed a line, you had plenty of chances to peddle back, you didn't. What happens next is on you.

 

[LifeisTiresome]

It won't be me I'm just telling you that you have crossed a line, you had plenty of chances to peddle back, you didn't. What happens next is on you.

Sure. I'm still not retracting anything. I stand by what I said and you got angry about it is your issue.

 

[Harlock]

Sure. I'm still not retracting anything. I stand by what I said and you got angry about it is your issue.

That will make it so much easier for my colleagues to make a decision, thank you.

 

[LifeisTiresome]

That will make it so much easier for my colleagues to make a decision, thank you.

This posturing of yours is not very intimidating you know. Just saying. You could have just said, my fellow mods will be deciding things and left it at that. More professional and all seeing as you are trying for a great aura and all.

 

[Harlock]

This posturing of yours is not very intimidating you know. Just saying. You could have just said, my fellow mods will be deciding things and left it at that. More professional and all seeing as you are trying for a great aura and all.

Yeah, but I'm not a very nice person.
Still as I said not my choice so you don't have to worry if you've done nothing wrong.

 

[LifeisTiresome]

Yeah, but I'm not a very nice person.
Still as I said not my choice so you don't have to worry if you've done nothing wrong.

I frankly don't care either way. I'm just saying that your attempts at being intimidating aka posturing are just failing. You'd be better served just acting professional. Just a review for future occasions. I'm not worried. I get banned? I get banned. Whatever.

 

[Harlock]

I frankly don't care either way. I'm just saying that your attempts at being intimidating aka posturing are just failing. You'd be better served just acting professional. Just a review for future occasions. I'm not worried. I get banned? I get banned. Whatever.

The thing is I did give you opportunities here, you did have chances to look at the direction of the argument, the evidence, the stated positions. I pointed out to you very bluntly where you were in the wrong and you didn't act on them. You doubled down, continued to fabricate and strawman despite it not working even the first time.

If I wanted you gone I'd just delete you, that isn't the point of the exercise. You should have listened, learned where you were falling down and adjusted to come back with a better, stronger more on point argument.

But you didn't, you didn't change or adapt to a challenge, you let your prejudice, assumptions, maybe hate inform your responses rather than plain cold fact. And then you were too stubborn to admit where you went wrong and walk it back despite a lot of chances to do so.

You can make salient points, it doesn't matter if I agree or not, it doesn't matter what I think of you if you can be man enough to put your prejudices aside and just debate fairly. Do you think I come here for my health?
You had your chance to do that, you didn't take any of them. This is now where we stand.

 

[LifeisTiresome]

The thing is I did give you opportunities here, you did have chances to look at the direction of the argument, the evidence, the stated positions. I pointed out to you very bluntly where you were in the wrong and you didn't act on them. You doubled down, continued to fabricate and strawman despite it not working even the first time.

If I wanted you gone I'd just delete you, that isn't the point of the exercise. You should have listened, learned where you were falling down and adjusted to come back with a better, stronger more on point argument.

But you didn't, you didn't change or adapt to a challenge, you let your prejudice, assumptions, maybe hate inform your responses rather than plain cold fact. And then you were too stubborn to admit where you went wrong and walk it back despite a lot of chances to do so.

You can make salient points, it doesn't matter if I agree or not, it doesn't matter what I think of you if you can be man enough to put your prejudices aside and just debate fairly. Do you think I come here for my health?
You had your chance to do that, you didn't take any of them. This is now where we stand.

Lots of words to try and frame yourself as being in the right as if lots of words automatically mean you're correct. I explained myself already. You don't care for it is not my problem. I even explained a specific point multiple times for you and how its not about you. You not getting it is not my problem and being offended is your own problem.

 

[Harlock]

Lots of words to try and frame yourself as being in the right as if lots of words automatically mean you're correct. I explained myself already. You don't care for it is not my problem. I even explained a specific point multiple times for you and how its not about you. You not getting it is not my problem and being offended is your own problem.

You still don't see what has happened, and that is why you are in this position. It has nothing to do with offence or me not wanting to hear your words of truth. It has to do with your lies, fabricated positions in debate, unbacked assumptions about your opponents argument and strawmanning.
It isn't about your position or views, it's about how you not only awful in debate but how even now you can't understand why, even after it has been pointed out and explained. You still can't see where you went wrong.

 

[LifeisTiresome]

You still don't see what has happened, and that is why you are in this position. It has nothing to do with offence or me not wanting to hear your words of truth. It has to do with your lies, fabricated positions in debate, unbacked assumptions about your opponents argument and strawmanning.
It isn't about your position or views, it's about how you not only awful in debate but how even now you can't understand why, even after it has been pointed out and explained. You still can't see where you went wrong.

And I still don't give a shit about your opinion and think you are full of shit that I'm saying lies.

You are the one who kept screaming that I was saying you wanted to destroy the family even though I said multiple times that its society and that society goes away from out intentions aka not about you. You don't acknowledge this and rant more about muh strawman.

So yeah, no, I dismiss everything you have to say as of no relevance and to be frank, horseshit. Anyway, get the decision done with already.

 

[Harlock]

And that is why you have failed.