Election 2020 Election 2020: It's (almost) over! (maybe...possibly...ahh who are we kidding, it's 2020!)

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Bacle said:
We are only 8 days out from the election at this point, and in 2000 it took 37 days to deal with just Florida's issues.

It is way to early for this sort of talk from his campaign, so that sort of stuff is very likely disinformation/misinformation being spread by the MSM to demoralize Trump's supporters/the GOP by making him seem less confident in winning this election.

Trump has at least 4 paths to winning right now, as Tippy detailed earlier. Citing MSM sources doing their damnest to demoralize Trump supporters and suppress news about the mounting evidence of election fraud that is being found gives the enemy (and the MSM is the enemy of Trump and his base, as much as the American people as a whole) ad revenue and exposure.
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It's up to him and his supporters capable of making sure the votes are carried out.

I'm going to post and share what I see if it's worth sharing.



Bernie sucking up for a position.
 
Bacle said:
We are only 8 days out from the election at this point, and in 2000 it took 37 days to deal with just Florida's issues.

It is way too early for this sort of talk from his campaign, so that sort of stuff is very likely disinformation/misinformation being spread by the MSM to demoralize Trump's supporters/the GOP by making him seem less confident in winning this election.

Trump has at least 4 paths to winning right now, as Tippy detailed earlier. Citing MSM sources doing their damnest to demoralize Trump supporters and suppress news about the mounting evidence of election fraud that is being found gives the enemy (and the MSM is the enemy of Trump and his base, as much as the American people as a whole) ad revenue and exposure.
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Regardless, information should be posted here. With doubts about the legitimacy make a reply where you explain why you feel it is wrong. Ignoring info isn't good, and if you believe it is wrong you can and should be able to argue your case.
 
Floridaman said:
Regardless, information should be posted here. With doubts about the legitimacy make a reply where you explain why you feel it is wrong. Ignoring info isn't good, and if you believe it is wrong you can and should be able to argue your case.
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At this point, I think spreading info from MSM sources, who have every incentive to lie and misrepresent things regarding Trump, is not helpful.

If there were any truly neutral news orgs left in the US, I'd be all for putting them up. But even Reuters has become a partisan outlet since Trump won in 2016, which is a shame because they used to be about as close to politically neutral as you could find in the MSM.
 
All news is welcome here, we're not going to 'cut away' on some just because we don't like the spin. 😄

I have concerns for Trump's fight on this too. I'm fairly sure election fraud took place but Trump's team needs to find proof of this (enough to convince a judge) and present it to a court and soon.
 
Trump should fight on regardless fraud or no fraud. I don't particularly care on that issue. The aim would be keep his supporters motivated and mobilized, and cast as much doubt on Biden as is possible.

That said, I do not have truly transformational hopes in Trump, we need someone greater, more virtuous, wiser, more aggressive, wiser, more adroit, someone who will lead us out of this heap.

That man has not come yet, so we must back Trump as a poor but necessary second choice.
 
random_boy232 said:

So much for your mathematical proof of election fraud.
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Dude, I think your confusing our concerns here. We are concerned about the broader political struggle, not the hair splitting of voter fraud.

Voter fraud and claims thereof are an instrument in political conflict.

Do I believe fraud occurred? Yes. Do I think it is the axis on which all things rest? Hell no.
 
Lord Invictus said:
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So you admit you are just stirring up shit, cause you can't take a loss ?. Honestly I don't who's sadder people who genuinely belive trump can still win and there was massive election fraud or those make stuff like that up in hopes it will somehow benefit them.
 
random_boy232 said:
So you admit you are just stirring up shit, cause you can't take a loss ?. Honestly I don't who's sadder people who genuinely belive trump can still win and there was massive election fraud or those make stuff like that up in hopes it will somehow benefit them.
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Losses I can take, illegitimate and rotten systems I can not. The system is rotten, and more bluntly it is hostile to my interests and concerns, therefore I will do what I can, to resist it.

It is not so much Biden won, that makes the system illegitimate, it is the fact Trump had to be elected at all, in a healthy and sane government and society, the people who voted for Trump would rule unquestioned and would not need the man to represent them. Trump losing merely confirms the whole order can not be reformed, or salvaged.

The political order and the social order is not worth saving, and anything that further discredits or weakens it is good.
 
Well, I think we need not to get ahead of ourselves. Despite all the tons of hints we have little that has been accepted as actionable proof by the relevant authorities. This could go both ways: sway the election in Trump's favor, or turn out to be Trump's version of the embarassing Russiagate nothingburger.
 
Pocky Balboa said:
Fucking Wikipedia, really?
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Wow, if he thinks wikpedia is an acceptable source for argumentation, the debating culture of whichever board he came from must have degenerated greatly. Don't get me wrong, on non-controversial topics that aren't going to be edited in bad faith, it is great for giving someone an overview or general information. But really that is what it is good for, quick info on such types.

Honestly, I think it may be trolling. But I am going to assume he honestly thought wikipedia is a valid source.
 
Hlaalu Agent said:
Wikipedia is not a reputable source, I think it has been long established as fact. Why don't you actually post a reputable source for your claims rather than an online repository that anyone can edit.
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That's the thing, not anybody can edit Wikipedia.

If the matter is remotely political, only and exclusively leftists can edit it, or will be able to edit it once they realize they have not already brought it under control of their ideological banner.

Wikipedia is very useful for non-politicized things.
 
Hlaalu Agent said:
Wow, if he thinks wikpedia is an acceptable source for argumentation, the debating culture of whichever board he came from must have degenerated greatly. Don't get me wrong, on non-controversial topics that aren't going to be edited in bad faith, it is great for giving someone an overview or general information. But really that is what it is good for, quick info on such types.

Honestly, I think it may be trolling. But I am going to assume he honestly thought wikipedia is a valid source.
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Eh, you've got more patience for that than me. A decade plus of telling students and patrons to don't even think about citing Wikipedia in their papers and projects has pretty much made giving the backhand to anyone who pushes it to me as evidence an instinctive action.😀

CarlManvers2019 said:
Even in high school and college, one thing they emphasized NOT to do, was use Wikipedia for ANY papers
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Damn right, Papa Pocky don't stand for that in his classes or library or you get a whuppin'
 
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