Quest Deep Periphery Quest (Battletech Sandbox Empire Builder)

[Culsu]

Okay... that... doesn't make any strategic sense to me, but if it`s the word from high above. *shrugs* I mean, we are already way off the way it was for the Combine to be used as a useful staging ground against the Suns. If we're effectively 4-5 times as far away, the whole Kuritan plot becomes utter lunacy. BTech travel times, logistics and communication simply don't allow for those distances to be worked effectively in a strategic offensive. Even at our old position the Drac effort would have to have been almost economically crippling to set up what's in effect a micro-Combine out in the boondocks, let alone strategically dubious as any offensive launched from there against the Suns' soft underbelly would have needed to have a logistics train made by Blake's ascended form himself to not sputter to a halt right behind the border.

Well, whatever.

 

[Vilegrave]

Okay... that... doesn't make any strategic sense to me, but if it`s the word from high above. I mean, we are already way off the way it was for the Combine to be used as a useful staging ground against the Suns. If we're effectively 4-5 times as far away, the whole Kuritan plot becomes utter lunacy. BTech travel times, logistics and communication simply don't allow for those distances to be worked effectively in a strategic offensive. Even at our old position the Drac effort would have to have been almost economically crippling to set up what's in effect a micro-Combine out in the boondocks, let alone strategically dubious as any offensive launched from there against the Suns' soft underbelly would have needed to have a logistics train made by Blake's ascended form himself to not sputter to a halt right behind the border.

Well, whatever.

I think the point was that they wouldn't just be a staging ground, they have no Communications with their Sphere counterparts so everything was sent/set up so that they'd be entirely self sufficient. The plan was that they'd build themselves up enough to be a legitimate threat by themselves to the Davions (hence the investment of the manufacturing equipment (which wasn't quite lostech at the time due to how long ago this was started) and Jumpships).

It's why they can produce ludicrous amounts of Leopard CV's when needed (might not be as much as the simulation (or might even be more) but we know they could pump out 2 new Leopard CV's a turn back when they set up a base on Griffin IV) as they were intended to build their own logistical/industrial base from scratch. Honestly the current coordinator (think it's Hohiro right now) for the Draconis Combine might not even know the members of this expedition exists, it was set up by his predecessor with a lot of secrecy surrounding it, intended to be a game changing (if long term) strategy by setting up a permanent second front against the Davions much weaker rear.

 

[ShadowArxxy]

They're not just setting up an offensive from an unexpected direction, they're basically sending out their own Clan Exodus that can create a new *permanent* front on the other side of the Federated Suns, one that can not only launch sustained major assaults on the Crucis March border, but is also nearly invulnerable to counterassault because the Suns have no idea where the actual worlds are located.

It would be a brilliant strategy if we weren't in the way.

 

[Brogatar]

Heh and the thing is that if they left us alone we would probably leave them alone.

 

[Knowledgeispower]

Heh and the thing is that if they left us alone we would probably leave them alone.

Well at least before we discovered they were slavers. After that point I get the feeling that we were going to crush the Dracs(at least the ones in this operation) or die trying

 

[Brogatar]

Well at least before we discovered they were slavers. After that point I get the feeling that we were going to crush the Dracs(at least the ones in this operation) or die trying

Yes though I meant a satistically significant period of time where they could have pulled off an attack on the FedSuns.

 

[Lightwhispers]

They're not just setting up an offensive from an unexpected direction, they're basically sending out their own Clan Exodus that can create a new *permanent* front on the other side of the Federated Suns, one that can launch major assaults on the Crucis March border and is simultaneously strategically unassailable because the Suns have no idea where the actual worlds are located.

It would be a brilliant strategy if we weren't in the way.

Well, there's also issues regarding just how much in the way of irreplaceable resources setting this up would take, while in the middle of a very, very messy war.

 

[ShadowArxxy]

Well, there's also issues regarding just how much in the way of irreplaceable resources setting this up would take, while in the middle of a very, very messy war.

At the time BakkuStabbu was set underway -- sometime during the Second Succession War, not the Third -- those resources were rare and precious but not utterly irreplaceable. If anything, sending them away in BakkuStabbu has preserved vital resources that would otherwise have been lost in canon. So basically, it's a giant net gain for the Combine.

 

[PeaceMaker 03]

I do not see the problem, if this was set up a few generations ago, outside of CStar holy shroud effect and enemy attacks, I would expect tech / Econ growth comparable to SL era.

Imagine a DC leader noticing the outcome of Holy shroud and Nukes as party favors..... “Magic Bushido Hands says save our great culture!

No Kurita can say “We are sending out an ark to save our culture”, it is “We will send out an attack from out in the middle of gods know where, to fool the anti progressive Davions”.

 

[ShadowArxxy]

House Kurita is pretty evil, but then again, in this era so is pretty much everyone else on the geopolitical stage.

 

[Lightwhispers]

At the time BakkuStabbu was set underway -- sometime during the Second Succession War, not the Third -- those resources were rare and precious but not utterly irreplaceable. If anything, sending them away in BakkuStabbu has preserved vital resources that would otherwise have been lost in canon. So basically, it's a giant net gain for the Combine.

The only in-thread information we have on this that I can find is that the units for this operation were drawn from the Amphigean Light Assault Group, a 5-regiment force, and that they, as of Turn 5, were proclaiming that Hugai Kurita was Coordinator. He took power in 2925, while the Second succession War ended in 2864. That's a 60+ year time differential for them to know who took power.

If you have information that is not generally available, please either source it, or make sure to keep spoilers secret.

Also, sending the resources away in Bakkusutabu effectively lost those resources for the Combine, until and unless they actually do hit the FedSuns. Which, if it happened as planned, probably would have been a decent investment, but if they were sent out during the Second SW, that's over a century of lost production, transport, and other uses by now. (Which, granted, Kuritas are known for making remarkably stupid strategic decisions, but this is pretty big.)

 

[ShadowArxxy]

If you have information that is not generally available, please either source it, or make sure to keep spoilers secret.

Nope, I was actually mistaken about the year.

Also, sending the resources away in Bakkusutabu effectively lost those resources for the Combine, until and unless they actually do hit the FedSuns. Which, if it happened as planned, probably would have been a decent investment, but if they were sent out during the Second SW, that's over a century of lost production, transport, and other uses by now. (Which, granted, Kuritas are known for making remarkably stupid strategic decisions, but this is pretty big.)

It's actually not stupid, because it was a predictable fact that the Succession Wars would continue grinding down industry; yanking industrial resources from vulnerable systems and sending them on a long shot into the Deep Periphery is not a stupid bet at all.

 

[kelgar04]

House Kurita is pretty evil, but then again, in this era so is pretty much everyone else on the geopolitical stage.

A good reason why we should stay the hell away from the sphere until we have some Warship, at a minimum we send in a covert force posing as a small Merc Regiment to gather intel.

 

[Thors_Alumni]

A good reason why we should stay the hell away from the sphere until we have some Warship, at a minimum we send in a covert force posing as a small Merc Regiment to gather intel.

Pretty sure that's the plan since we know when the Dragoons will arrive. So us sending a merc company of our own into the reach to find the Argo than turn it into our flag ship is one of the plans that I am thinking of for when the time comes.

 

[Tryglaw]

A good reason why we should stay the hell away from the sphere until we have some Warship, at a minimum we send in a covert force posing as a small Merc Regiment to gather intel.

Cough*Griffin Dragoons*cough.

 

[Thors_Alumni]

Only problem with that plan is the homegrown Dropships and Battlemechs that the innersphere will have never seen before. and what IS examples we do have are very few, like single digit on one hand numbers.

 

[Lightwhispers]

It's actually not stupid, because it was a predictable fact that the Succession Wars would continue grinding down industry; yanking industrial resources from vulnerable systems and sending them on a long shot into the Deep Periphery is not a stupid bet at all.

If they'd pulled an Amaris, and set up hidden systems in the Drac Periphery, that would have been pretty smart. Downcheck things for a few years, and add troublesome supply chains, but keep them intact and not bombed, good tradeoff. Send them off for who-knows-how-long? Much riskier.

 

[Tryglaw]

A View from the Ice 10

You couldn't have chosen better.

This is "Rota" ("The Oath"), written by Maria Konopnicka, one of Poland's most important poets. It just narrowly missed out on becoming Poland's National Anthem.

Here are the lyrics:

Nie rzucim ziemi, skąd nasz ród. Nie damy pogrześć mowy. Polski my naród, polski lud, Królewski szczep piastowy. Nie damy, by nas gnębił wróg. Tak nam dopomóż Bóg! Tak nam dopomóż Bóg! Do krwi ostatniej kropli z żył Bronić będziemy Ducha, Aż się rozpadnie w proch i w pył Krzyżacka zawierucha. Twierdzą nam będzie każdy próg. Tak nam dopomóż Bóg! Tak nam dopomóż Bóg! Nie będzie Niemiec pluł nam w twarz Ni dzieci nam germanił, Orężny wstanie hufiec nasz, Duch będzie nam hetmanił. Pójdziem, gdy zabrzmi złoty róg. Tak nam dopomóż Bóg! Tak nam dopomóż Bóg! Nie damy miana Polski zgnieść Nie pójdziem żywo w trumnę. Na Polski imię, na jej cześć Podnosim czoła dumne, Odzyska ziemię dziadów wnuk. Tak nam dopomóż Bóg! Tak nam dopomóż Bóg!

We won't forsake the land we came from, We won't let our speech be buried. We are the Polish nation, the Polish people, From the royal line of Piast. We won't let the enemy oppress us. So help us God! So help us God! To the last blood drop in our veins We will defend our Spirit Till into dust and ash shall fall, The Teutonic Order's windstorm. Every doorsill shall be a fortress. So help us God! So help us God! The German won't spit in our face, Nor Germanise our children, Our host will arise in arms, The Spirit will lead the way. We will arise when the golden horn sounds. So help us God! So help us God! We won't have Poland's name defamed, We won't step alive into a grave. In Poland's name, in its honor We lift our foreheads proudly, The grandson will regain his forefathers' land So help us God! So help us God!

 

[Culsu]

Only problem with that plan is the homegrown Dropships and Battlemechs that the innersphere will have never seen before. and what IS examples we do have are very few, like single digit on one hand numbers.

Probably plenty of Kuritan salvage around that we could use as cover should we ever get to that point in the quest.

 

[Knowledgeispower]

Pretty sure that's the plan since we know when the Dragoons will arrive. So us sending a merc company of our own into the reach to find the Argo than turn it into our flag ship is one of the plans that I am thinking of for when the time comes.

The problem with the Argo is the fact that its practically unarmed and designed as a civilian ship. Mind you a design based off of it would be absolutely fantastic for supporting deep raids or general offensives as a mobile support base