China is Preparing for war with the West

[Husky_Khan]

I think the best outcome would be bribing the Kim Dynasty go and other top leaders to leave with their planeloads of money and just live in comfortable exile in China or Vietnam or Russia or something and giving the rest of the high level parasites cushy symbolic military or government jobs or pension them out.

Then the five powers led by South Korea but including the US, Japan, Russia, and yes the Republic of China in using that massive military and state apparatus in place in North Korea to rebuild their shitty country and prepare it for reintegration into South Korea itself over the next few decades.

Maybe even give China a new DMZ on the Yalu River to make them feel better. Your going to have to rebuild the country regardless and itd be infinitely easier to do via bribery and exile then any sort of potential War. Let the Kim Dynasty fade into luxurious obscurity like Idi Amin or Ferdinand Marcos.

 

[Zachowon]

I think the best outcome would be bribing the Kim Dynasty go and other top leaders to leave with their planeloads of money and just live in comfortable exile in China or Vietnam or Russia or something and giving the rest of the high level parasites cushy symbolic military or government jobs or pension them out.

Then the five powers led by South Korea but including the US, Japan, Russia, and yes the Republic of China in using that massive military and state apparatus in place in North Korea to rebuild their shitty country and prepare it for reintegration into South Korea itself over the next few decades.

Maybe even give China a new DMZ on the Yalu River to make them feel better. Your going to have to rebuild the country regardless and itd be infinitely easier to do via bribery and exile then any sort of potential War. Let the Kim Dynasty fade into luxurious obscurity like Idi Amin or Ferdinand Marcos.

China would never allow a US Ally, to be RIGHT ON THIER BORDER once again. Especially one that doesn't have good intentions with CHina.

They've lived for years without it, They wouldn't care. Besides that, they're run by a mad man.

Both South and North Korea want to reunify the countries to be one Korea

 

[VicSage]

The North? Sure. The South? Only the fools who don't have any idea how much money it's going to cost them to rebuild, the difficulties involved in de-programming an entire population from their programming, and many other things.

 

[Zachowon]

The south wants peaceful reunification.
The north doesnr

 

[SoliFortissimi]

Blithering nonsense. Nobody here can read a single damned word of that scribble.

The Chinese won't dare to fight the might of the US Navy alone, let alone the full force of the US Military Establishment. They are inferior in absolutely every parameter except numbers.

And they know it.

 

[Vaermina]

Blithering nonsense. Nobody here can read a single damned word of that scribble.

The Chinese won't dare to fight the might of the US Navy alone, let alone the full force of the US Military Establishment. They are inferior in absolutely every parameter except numbers.

And they know it.

And it wouldn't just be the US, China would almost surely have to deal with Japan too.

 

[VictortheMonarch]

Blithering nonsense. Nobody here can read a single damned word of that scribble.

The Chinese won't dare to fight the might of the US Navy alone, let alone the full force of the US Military Establishment. They are inferior in absolutely every parameter except numbers.

And they know it.

The Chinese don't care, they have their own alliance block and to say we would only be fighting them is both Naïve and disastrously foolish. They've got alliances in North Korea, Indo-China and Afghanistan, and steadish alliances with Russia, Iran and India, who depending on the situation could either come to their aid, or attack China.

With China's manpower, they could defeat us, but only if they use it right

 

[SoliFortissimi]

The Chinese don't care, they have their own alliance block and to say we would only be fighting them is both Naïve and disastrously foolish. They've got alliances in North Korea, Indo-China and Afghanistan, and steadish alliances with Russia, Iran and India, who depending on the situation could either come to their aid, or attack China.

With China's manpower, they could defeat us, but only if they use it right

Not a chance in hell. And the Indians hate them with a passion, while Russia knows better than to send their third rate forces against THE NATO army.

And they do care. A lot. Hence why they have been avoiding conflict for so long.

 

[Zachowon]

You seem to under estimate the Chinese.
If anything they are waiting till they are ready

 

[Vaermina]

The Chinese don't care, they have their own alliance block and to say we would only be fighting them is both Naïve and disastrously foolish. They've got alliances in North Korea, Indo-China and Afghanistan, and steadish alliances with Russia, Iran and India, who depending on the situation could either come to their aid, or attack China.

With China's manpower, they could defeat us, but only if they use it right.

India hates China... They literally have troops shoot at and murder each other every couple months...

 

[Jormungandr]

The Chinese don't care, they have their own alliance block and to say we would only be fighting them is both Naïve and disastrously foolish. They've got alliances in North Korea, Indo-China and Afghanistan, and steadish alliances with Russia, Iran and India, who depending on the situation could either come to their aid, or attack China.

With China's manpower, they could defeat us, but only if they use it right

I'm sorry, but this made me laugh so hard I almost shit myself.

1. Their "Alliance Bloc" is North Korea. That's it. Every other Asian country surrounding China or the South China Sea has beefs with China so bad that they're willing to put aside their own beefs with each other to contain China. That's a level of hate all of its own when you have South Korea and Japan agreeing on a mutual stance regarding China.
2. India hates China's guts. Badly. China is attempting to "salami slice" away Indian territory, and they have pot-shot shooting wars every few months.
3. Afghanistan has no formal or informal relationship with China outside of "hey, this could be a beneficial trading thing in the future". They are certainly not allies, and believing the Taliban would go to bat for China's interests is hilariously flawed.
Take advantage of the situation, should conflict between China and America arise, yeah. But that's all.
4. Russia trusts China as much as other Asian countries do: They're just more cordial about it, and view them as stooges at worst.
When the Chinese asked to license latest MiG engine designs for the J-25, Russia practically laughed in their faces because they knew the Chinese would just steal the engine designs after looking them over.
5. Iran and China's relations are more of a technological exchange/arms deal sort of thing. Their interests, outside of Anti-Americanism, don't align in the slightest.

If anything, if conflict does erupt, nations and groups would look to see how to exploit the situation for their own gain than actively or even passively help China.

Their "manpower" are half-trained conscripts with outdated, indigenous copies of Soviet weapons (albeit some are modernized). I mean, fuck, they train by playing "hot potato" with live grenades, for fuck's sake!

Could they be a threat? Yes. Are they a threat as high as people hype them up to be? Hilarious no. However, they could still invade Taiwan -- in this case, the US would only have two options: Abandon Taiwan and suffer a further degradation of their international image and soft-power, or bomb the fuck out China for doing it. There's no other options, really.

 

[VictortheMonarch]

India hates China... They literally have troops shoot at and murder each other every couple months...

Yes, but they are in an Economic block, and are nearby. It depends entirely on whether or not the rest of the bloc pressures them into it, which is entirely possible, seeing as it wouldn't be hard for the economic alliance to become a miliarial alliance. Japan and Germany hated each other, but the two still cooperated during WWII. It could very well repeat in such a scenario.

 

[King Arts]

Yes, but they are in an Economic block, and are nearby. It depends entirely on whether or not the rest of the bloc pressures them into it, which is entirely possible, seeing as it wouldn't be hard for the economic alliance to become a miliarial alliance. Japan and Germany hated each other, but the two still cooperated during WWII. It could very well repeat in such a scenario.

Umm what proof do you have that Japan and Germany hated each other? I mean they were allies of convenience since both were fighting the British, and Americans. But the average German, or Jap would not hate or like each other because they don't reallly interact with each other. It'd be like a Tibetean person hating, or liking someone from the Igbo tribe in Nigeria. The Germans hated the French and Russians and vice versa because of their history. While Japanese, and Chinese hated each other because of their history.

 

[Jormungandr]

Umm what proof do you have that Japan and Germany hated each other? I mean they were allies of convenience since both were fighting the British, and Americans. But the average German, or Jap would not hate or like each other because they don't reallly interact with each other. It'd be like a Tibetean person hating, or liking someone from the Igbo tribe in Nigeria. The Germans hated the French and Russians and vice versa because of their history. While Japanese, and Chinese hated each other because of their history.

The Germans considered the Japanese "honorary Aryans", and the Japanese had great respect for the German's... initiative? Aggression? Ingenuity? I'm pretty sure Germany was a "success model" that gave them to final push to go to war themselves, their existing plans of expanding for resources notwithstanding (IIRC they wanted to use their tried and true tactic of taking large swathes of territory that they couldn't keep, negotiate to release most of it back except for the few bits they wanted which they could logistically keep. Unfortunately, America wasn't like Russia. America went batshit insane, and instead of being demoralized they went all-in. The Japanese realized their little folly soon after, especially since the Declaration of War they sent was misplaced and found *after* Pearl Harbour, so to the Americans it looked like a sneak attack. It galvanized the American people, not demoralized them).

Though, likely the Japanese would've been next on the chopping block after the Germans won the War in Europe, Russia, and after subsuming America in some way (The Man in High Castle was pretty correct about this). Never trust WW2 Germany, lol.

 

[Cherico]

Yes, but they are in an Economic block, and are nearby. It depends entirely on whether or not the rest of the bloc pressures them into it, which is entirely possible, seeing as it wouldn't be hard for the economic alliance to become a miliarial alliance. Japan and Germany hated each other, but the two still cooperated during WWII. It could very well repeat in such a scenario.

the yellow in the map is china and India and their contestest teritory.


Pradesh is important because a bunch of rivers have their sources here so you know that's kind of a big deal. That by itself is 32,333 square miles of land and over a million people. If china has this it makes the problem of china taking water and cutting india off from it even worse.

Which by the way is something their doing in Tibet right now.

when we Zoom out we see a long boarder with China we have two small buffer countries but the thing keeping the two from killing each other is the himilaias. In true active war what actually happens is India holds in the north while cutting China off from middle eastern oil which they can easily do.

India has been to war with China, is has current boarder disputes with them, china is activily trying to cut off traditional water sources and using dams to put it into their hands. It has activily allied with its enemies in Pakastan.

Mean while india and america have no boarder disputes, and with america retreating into its own hemiphere its looking for a partner to keep order in the indian ocean and guess what power is right there.

To put it simply even if India and america had competing systems of government which they dont, even if they were ideoloically opposed and they arnt, even with all that, allying to the chinese to fight for the americans does not make sense for the Indian people.

 

[VictortheMonarch]

the yellow in the map is china and India and their contestest teritory.


Pradesh is important because a bunch of rivers have their sources here so you know that's kind of a big deal. That by itself is 32,333 square miles of land and over a million people. If china has this it makes the problem of china taking water and cutting india off from it even worse.

Which by the way is something their doing in Tibet right now.

when we Zoom out we see a long boarder with China we have two small buffer countries but the thing keeping the two from killing each other is the himilaias. In true active war what actually happens is India holds in the north while cutting China off from middle eastern oil which they can easily do.

India has been to war with China, is has current boarder disputes with them, china is activily trying to cut off traditional water sources and using dams to put it into their hands. It has activily allied with its enemies in Pakastan.

Mean while india and america have no boarder disputes, and with america retreating into its own hemiphere its looking for a partner to keep order in the indian ocean and guess what power is right there.

To put it simply even if India and america had competing systems of government which they dont, even if they were ideoloically opposed and they arnt, even with all that, allying to the chinese to fight for the americans does not make sense for the Indian people.

And that's why I never explicitly said that India would side with China, only that the possibility is there. Crazier things have happened, nobody expected the French to boot the English over the channel, and here we are. Nobody expected the United States to succeed in revolting against the British, yet here we are. Nobody expected Germany to side with the japs after the bombing of Pearl Harbor, yet here we are.

What I'm saying is that you should never ignore all possible outcomes, and always plan for them all, no matter how small the chance may be. There is likely at least 2-3 plans in the Pentagon for just this situation. Never underestimate the enemy, we've seen what happens when we do that, and now we've wasted 20 years and the lives of 212,191 people.

 

[History Learner]

Well when you attack strawmen, your always right. Let's recall exactly what I said, shall we?

WOW. Did I just say that? Without having to look at anything? Amazing. But no... continue with your conspiracies that this is some sort of inflation of Sinophobia. It's natural and understandable. No Soros-Trump Axis going on here. And it's not from the last year... it's been coalescing for some time obviously and the CommieCough and election season just added to it.

It's very comical you tried this given the full context of the very sentence you cited in your defense:

So yeah... this new Anti-China thing isn't all that new. It might be more pronounced

Except, as I showed with polling data and which you have yet to refute, it is new. The second sentence is cognitively dissonant in that case; it cannot be more pronounced without it being new as that implies an uptick in public consciousness/polling. It seems you are the one with the inability to defend their own ideas.

Consider yourself delighted... Your welcome.

No Strawmen here. More of an inability of you to communicate your ideas effectively it seems. Sad.

Except none of this was your claims, which I asked you to cite, and this smartassery is a pretty lame attempt to hide the fact you're flagrantly lying. I'll remind you what you said:

As is the idea that it suddenly is sprouting up now... and that the CommieCough/WuFlu was an American biological attack meant to harm China and increase Anti-China sentiment.

Can you please tell me where, in the above cited post, I made that claim anywhere. Since we both know you can't because I never did that, I'll eagerly be awaiting your retraction.

No shit Sherlock, that's what I said back in the First Page. Try and keep up.

Your kneejerk hostility tells me I get under you skin; perhaps you should put me on ignore for your own good?

 

[Husky_Khan]

Oh look who showed up two days later...

It's very comical you tried this given the full context of the very sentence you cited in your defense:

Except, as I showed with polling data and which you have yet to refute, it is new. The second sentence is cognitively dissonant in that case; it cannot be more pronounced without it being new as that implies an uptick in public consciousness/polling. It seems you are the one with the inability to defend their own ideas.

Yes things can be more pronounced without being new. Things rise and fall and now it's on the rise. Again I already stated all of this before.

You: There's a sudden wave of Anti-China sentiments.
Me (replying to someone else entirely): Anti-China sentiment has always been around but now it's probably more pronounced
You (triggered): Anti-China sentiment is more pronounced.
Me: (apparently hostile) That's what I said Sherlock.
You (a couple pages later): Anti-China sentiment is more pronounced so its new! YOU CAN'T DEFEND YOUR OWN IDEAS!!!1 IGNORE ME!!!! 😭😭😭
Me (not wearing pants): 🍆🌮🍆🌮

If something rises, its SUDDENLY NEW like an Awakening.

Except none of this was your claims, which I asked you to cite, and this smartassery is a pretty lame attempt to hide the fact you're flagrantly lying. I'll remind you what you said:

Can you please tell me where, in the above cited post, I made that claim anywhere. Since we both know you can't because I never did that, I'll eagerly be awaiting your retraction.

Why? I literally screenshotted it here:

The fact that it wasn't the idea that you wanted to relay is on you, not on me. That's your inability communicate effectively. There's no need to retract what was a failure of communication on your part.

Your kneejerk hostility tells me I get under you skin; perhaps you should put me on ignore for your own good?

Don't flatter yourself dude. It's pathetic. That's not me being hostile. That's me being normal. I literally cannot fathom actually getting angry at you of all people over whatever it is you posted on this forum. That's probably something your all about.

Ignore you? I've never put anyone on an ignore list ever. I'll milk lolcows like you for as long as it's amusing for me to do so. If your too sensitive towards my "Kneejerk Hostility" then feel free to ignore me. I can crap out a response to your whining in between equally shitty posts I make about Saints Row, adorable animals and cringe journalism. Maybe you can focus on paying off those student loans of yours. It's clearly government money well spent and a shining example of the positive attributes of socialism.

 

[VictortheMonarch]

I feel like I've started a feud between these two, and honestly... I feel like I need popcorn.

 

[Cherico]

I feel like I've started a feud between these two, and honestly... I feel like I need popcorn.

One does not spit into the wind, one does not pull on supermans cape, and one does not challange husky Chan unless you are damned sure you know what your talking about.