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I literally said I use it from time to time. Look at my post again.
Missed that.

My eyes started glazing over around the 'Only to be hood winking those who think he is the savior.' part, because I don't see anyone asking for a savior, just someone not out to actively fuck with and suppress views that dissent from the DC official line, regardless of party.
 

Terthna

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Do I need to also point out he is on CCP State TV spouting the CCP Talking points on Taiwan and that the Wegers weren't getting Genocided. And this is not the first time he has censored criticism of the CCP. As stated in the video and other videos. Elon has allowed blatant censoring of various groups and not taking any actions when it was pointed out to him. He only took action this time because the outcry was so big he could not ignore it. Like I said earlier he is no saint and not a moral man.
No, I am well aware that he is no saint; more a temporary ally of convenience. I mean, the guy is a snake oil salesman at heart (just look at the debacle that was the Hyperloop); we just lucked into the establishment tweaking his ego to the point where it forces him to oppose them at least to some degree, which is more than the vast majority of those with anything approaching his resources are willing to do.
 

Husky_Khan

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Some Musician who uploads videos of him playing on pianos in public areas was doing a livestream when some Chinese TV people who were in the same area of the train station or whatever and asked him not to film them because it was illegal in China. The video of course took place in the United Kingdom so a beautiful cultural exchange took place. ❤️

The fun starts awkwardly nine minutes in!




Dudes famous now. He's even on Piers Morgan's whatever show he has now.



They apparently cordoned off the piano for awhile but it's been freed again as well.
 

Husky_Khan

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I feel like this is an over investment of time but it is a nice microcosm of Chinese Communist behavior abroad.

Apparently there was more footage taken prior to the Livestream.



Oh dear. These two will need to be disappeared immediately for pre-betrayal of the State.
 

Wargamer08

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I feel like this is an over investment of time but it is a nice microcosm of Chinese Communist behavior abroad.

Apparently there was more footage taken prior to the Livestream.



Oh dear. These two will need to be disappeared immediately for pre-betrayal of the State.

So you might be joking, but this will likely happen. As well as their families. Though likely the family will only lose all social credit and be reduced to perpetual slave labor. I assure you, however harshly you think these people should be punished for being essentially rude tourists, the Chinese government will be far worse for the public spectacle and loss of face.
 

Husky_Khan

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Yeah I was watching some videos on the reaction taking place in China to all of this and it actually seems the comments are more mocking the Chinese in this situation at worst.

They even posted this as a meme apparently!

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Top comments from an article... these ones are more mocking of the Chinese behavior in the video and meme'ing them.

 

Typhonis

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Well the founder of Evergrade was arrested.Plus if I understand how things go in China....well it is very not good. Especially if China was using the building boom to boost their GDP. GDP is set by the party and every district has to meet or exceed the numbers sent to them. Guess what they always seem to do so.

Some estimates put China's GDP a few percentage points over what it should be. All the loans for Belt and Roads, the infrastructure built in other countries counted to China's GDP. Even if the ports and railroads do not do enough business to pay back the loans.

Lastly you had Chinese companies build all of this infrastructure both in and out of China and as has been recorded many times...Tofu Dreg construction is a thing. In China people would pour their life savings into property as it is the only investment opportunity for them. They had to buy the house outright before it can be built....then the company takes the money buys more land with it and uses a loan to build the house using sub standard materials so they save money. Materials like unprocessed seas sand in concrete.
 

Cherico

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Well the founder of Evergrade was arrested.Plus if I understand how things go in China....well it is very not good. Especially if China was using the building boom to boost their GDP. GDP is set by the party and every district has to meet or exceed the numbers sent to them. Guess what they always seem to do so.

Some estimates put China's GDP a few percentage points over what it should be. All the loans for Belt and Roads, the infrastructure built in other countries counted to China's GDP. Even if the ports and railroads do not do enough business to pay back the loans.

Lastly you had Chinese companies build all of this infrastructure both in and out of China and as has been recorded many times...Tofu Dreg construction is a thing. In China people would pour their life savings into property as it is the only investment opportunity for them. They had to buy the house outright before it can be built....then the company takes the money buys more land with it and uses a loan to build the house using sub standard materials so they save money. Materials like unprocessed seas sand in concrete.

Honestly its impressive that the chinese economy has trucked along as it has, their entire economy is like Enron on steroids its like the most skillful game of economic jenga ever, but it all has to fall down sooner or later.

If the crash happens china will survive, they have survived so much utterly insane shit that they can survive this too, but the CCP....that's questionable they might not survive this crisis.
 

AmosTrask

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Honestly its impressive that the chinese economy has trucked along as it has, their entire economy is like Enron on steroids its like the most skillful game of economic jenga ever, but it all has to fall down sooner or later.

If the crash happens china will survive, they have survived so much utterly insane shit that they can survive this too, but the CCP....that's questionable they might not survive this crisis.
The CCP's foundation of power is their claim of dragging China out of poverty and ending the Century of Humiliation. Utter bullshit that is catching up to them.
 

King Arts

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America is not considered an ethnically homogenous country by anyone for a damn reason, so your disproval is a joke.
Sorry for not responding to you and @Zachowon

But are you saying Americans aren't a "people"? That's ridicuolous and makes your argument a joke. You can argue that American is an ethnicity. Because we have certain beliefs and ways of life that are distinct from other persons. You could however say we aren't a "blood/race" ethnicity where all of the people are related in some way like Germans, French, Poles were historically.

I've just fucking shown you a quote from a historical researcher in the article saying no, not really better, describing it as "a status little different from chattel slaves".
It's very unPC to disrupt the kind of "victimhood hierarchy" view of it you are trying to push, know, but then again, that's why it needs to be pushed against.
It's different though because again indentured servants got their freedom slaves had no such gurantee.

Well then you are accusing the people who wrote it of not understanding the implications while you do. You can read up on that, they had their own understanding of it, and we have touched upon it already - equal or not in the eyes of the creator, in legal status obviously there is a difference between citizen and non-citizen, indentured and free man, criminal and law abiding citizen, the rest is details and degrees of difference. If you take this equality to the extreme you are trying to you will end up with anarchist view of this and no one wants that.
Some of them did not understand the implications yes. If they wanted to say all white men they should have fucking put it in. They did not they said that all MEN are created equal. So all men who are citizens are given equal rights. How do you become a citizen by being fucking born here or naturalized. Guess what a black slaves were born here, since they ended the slave trade. Now sure if they kept the slave trade open then I would have less of a problem. But they did not.

I don't give a shit for racists one way or another, they are dumb, but there are worse, dumber and yet more influential political movements around now.
Yet you are defending the honor of racists. I attack anyone I see as being wrong it doesen't matter if they are weaker or in power or not.

Well did most of historical western societies share the leftist's view on this? If not, then it's probably leftist view. In this case it's stuff western societies mysteriously started being against not even during, but in a couple decades after WW2.
What do you mean by leftists view? All of Christian western civilization does hold the belief that morals are universal yes they always apply. Something is wrong even if you do it to an enemy or out group. If you want to go to a time to where it's ok to rape women of other tribes you have to go to before Christianity. European pagan tribes are usually not considered part of Western civilization.

The only pagans that were Western were Greeks and Romans and they had a form of universal morality that applied to honor that you abandoned like a leftist.

Back to my point, it's based on martial power. If China and India want to ruin Europe, cold war 2 it is, and blow if they will try to blow it up if not allowed to, oh well, nuclear war it is.
They would only want to ruin Europe if Europe wants to ruin them. Again you are the one supporting the side that does not want to live and let live. Would you rather let China win and dominate you, or would you rather launch all the nukes? Why do you think the Chinese would pick different from you and they are more cowardly and willing to be your vassals as opposed to ensuring humans are wiped out?

>if
Well, if the black man is in power, wants to do it and can get away with it, then (besides meaning some sort of black nationalism being effectively in power and surprisingly functional) his answer to that question matters, not your or mine, for if he is in such a position, why would he care for what your moral convictions are, when he has his own?
Most civilizations will naturally have moral opinions of such things that are either mostly or completely independent of what other ones adopt - after all, even though the western civilization isn't waging religious wars since centuries, the civilization of Islam couldn't care less and they still do, even if they aren't very good at them.
It's very unwise to make a blanket assumption that everyone in the world subscribes to golden rule based morality and practices it too.
Look at South Africa, the local commies are fine with their country getting into deeper shit as long as they can be commies and treat local whites like dirt.
That point also applies to CCP obviously, they are more than happy to criticize western history of colonialism 24/7, and use the very same moralistic and universalistic arguments you and many others present against it, while at the same time scheming how to do their own right now. They don't care about your standards and whether you will call them hypocrites, they care about expanding their power and whether they can get away with it, and are willing to exploit your beliefs to help facilitate getting you to let them get away with it.
Again morals if everyone shares them you can make the argument. If we don't and we go your way it leads to atheism and everyone doing what they want and then they will do what is good for them and fuck your people up.

ME will always hate us because we arnt Islamic.
Normal countries like Germany, Japan, Korea, and Vietnam can forgive us or thank us for what we did.
The Islamic nations don't hate Japan they don't do stuff like this to Korea or Vietnam. So no this early 2000's arguments are wrong. They hate us because we go to the Middle East get involved in their politics and support nations they are opposed to like Israel. If we stayed in the Western Hemisphere and let the old world bleed itself to death then we would not have these problems.

The Brits were easier to be allies with when the French were only out forthemselves since the beginning...
They used the colonies revolution to get back at the Brits fir the French and Indian War.
Yes the French wanted to hurt the British they still helped us. Also the British just wanted to use us also again they dragged us into ww1 and ww2. We could have just sat back and kept selling weapons and not lost a single man and still been the most powerful.

Yes because they want to act all high and mighty that THEY are the reason we are able to be as powerful as we are. That THEY are rhe reason the world has had peace.
When in reality, having the most powerful military in the world often prevents people from wanting to fuck eith you. As rhe AQ and the Taliban learned after 9/11.
But they are the reason we are the most powerful. Like yes the military guys are strong, but that's not why our nation is powerful. U.S. soldiers aren't stronger or have bigger dicks than Russian, or Chinese, or Iranian, or Vietnamese or whatever. The reason we are strong is our economy and technology. Smart people did smart policies to make us rich and well educated. And with that money and knowledge soldiers can get more advanced stuff while the other nations soldiers would get less advanced technology.

I would tell him "hey, if you think it is u just ir immoral or illegal to follow these orders, you can file a complaint with IG and not participate. IG will make sure you are not retaliated against.

Because guess what, as an NCO it is my job to make sure I know what is best for my soldiers. It is in the NCO Creed. "I know my soldiers, and I will always will place the needs of my soldiers above my own"
Simple as.
Ok you understand that, that would be useless right? Like sure he can file that complaint but it's not going anywhere. It is above the soldiers pay grade hell it's above the Inspector General's pay grade himself. Soldiers don't get to decide if a war itself is moral or not. They can decide if the actions IN the war are moral I'll give compare America and Russia. In the modern day with Russia, a Russian soldier can't be blamed for the invasion of Ukraine if a war crimes trial happened the soldiers and officers should not be charged for that, they have a duty to obey the honorable commands of their leaders. But for evil actions taken in war like the Bucha massacre that is diffrent the soldiers who did that and their officers if they knew and did nothing to stop or punish should be charged. For the war itself only political leaders like Putin should be held to account.

Now for America with a war with some 3rd world nation if individual soldiers do war crimes like shooting civillians or torturing prisoners like has happened then they should be charged. But a U.S. soldier should not be charged because he was deployed to Iraq. However if a tribunal managed to force the issue then people like Bush SHOULD have been charged for invading Iraq. Again in this hypotetical invasion of that African nation the soldier should not be coming to you and saying "The war is wrong!"

No they should come to you if they see one of their fellow soldiers rape a local, kill some civillians or POW, or torture POWs. Again soldiers job is not to judge the morality of government policy or to question it, they can judge the means by which something is done. You can't say the war is wrong, but you can say how the war is fought is wrong.

Hey, if we go and have help fromECOWAS no big deal.
What is ECOWAS?
Actually in order fir the president to declare the insurrection act the president has to have told the ones insurecting to stop at least twice and if they do not do so then they can invoke thay act.
Ok let's say the president does that to Texas because of the border issue going on right now. He tells Abott and the National Guard to stop what they are doing twice they refuse, so he nationalized the Guard, and orders some other troops to come in and deal with the insurrection and remove the people from the area. There.

Except the British still has colonies back then....
Like India...
But outside of that, the diffrence between a commonwealth and en empire is they all control themselves independently of the British government.
And AFAIK they can say no to the crown
An empire is just a large nation with multiple different groups of people. It does not have to have a crown or monarchy. It can be very loose.

I mean, compared to the rest of Europe, they were the best to thier colonies. L99k at what the Belgians did in the congo. Spain and Portugal to thiers.
France still has some for Christ's sake!
No they were not. Belgians were bad, but that was King Leopold private ownership. Once he was removed and the Belgian government directly controlled it, it became less horrible. Also Spain and Portugal were nicer to the colonies, they were far less genocidal and racist.

They can if they buy up any media organizations that are widely used in the US ir make an app that basically makes it impossible to not be spied upon.
Or they just pay off people in our government.
So it's our government thats doing it still. Not the PLA sailing accross the Pacific.

I mean, they just help invent new ways governments can get control over its people.
So new tech is invented then our government uses it. That applies to any nation that's not stagnating. So the only place where that danger won't come from is the Muslims who aren't inventing anythinglol.

They already break our 4th amendment in the fact that that TikTok exists and the amount if stuff it gets access too.
Again the 4th ammendment protects against our government from spying on us, not individuals or corporations. I support changing that to stop corporations and others from doing it. I'm surprised though don't you support five eyes?

Okay. Cool.
But if a nation decides to invade and we have no military strong enough to repel them...what then?
The military is horrible for policing actions because we are not trained for it.
Look at what we did in the ME.
And unlike out there, you would have people from these areas policing thier family and friends? Yeah no.
We arnt like that.
I never said abolish the military. I said reduce it. Also we have nukes so there is no military strong enough to resist nukes.

China is a threat to the US due to the fact it can influence our nation in ways that arnt physical.
Our economy, our fucking media.
It has a large group out there specifically meant to disrupt our cuber infrastructure.
It is a threat because it sees us as subservient to them and they will come for us one day or another. Just depends om if we make it easy or not.
So pretty much any trade partner including the EU can do this. This is a weakness in free market capitalism. Yes companies will cater things to large demographics to increase their market share so they can sell more shit.

Your right, but at the same time when you have groups like the Houthis who attack from ashore and you can't guarantee to hit the target effectively with a frigate you have to use aircraft.

Or you want to make sure adversarial aircraft don't get close and attack your ships etc etc.
Projection of power is often more then enough to prevent most conflicts in the world.
Again reduce the military get rid of all the smart weapons, go back to dumb bombs, and pummel them until they are gone.
 

Marduk

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But are you saying Americans aren't a "people"? That's ridicuolous and makes your argument a joke. You can argue that American is an ethnicity. Because we have certain beliefs and ways of life that are distinct from other persons. You could however say we aren't a "blood/race" ethnicity where all of the people are related in some way like Germans, French, Poles were historically.
Yes, i'm saying America is at least several "peoples" wearing a trenchcoat and with a lot of arguments and spats somewhat agreeing to stick as one country.
I'm far from the only one who noticed, some wrote about it more in depth.
What beliefs and way of life do the denizens of a Chinatown, Palestinian-Americans and the denizens of a black ghetto share, even if they are all formally citizens?
America is very much not a culturally homogeneous country, even less so than it is ethnically.
A white professor from California may well outright despise everything a white businessman from Florida stands for, and probably with mutuality at that.
It's different though because again indentured servants got their freedom slaves had no such gurantee.
And indentured servants had no guarantee that they will be alive and well at that point, so it was a very soft "guarantee". We are at this point arguing details, not some dramatic difference.
Some of them did not understand the implications yes. If they wanted to say all white men they should have fucking put it in. They did not they said that all MEN are created equal. So all men who are citizens are given equal rights. How do you become a citizen by being fucking born here or naturalized. Guess what a black slaves were born here, since they ended the slave trade. Now sure if they kept the slave trade open then I would have less of a problem. But they did not.
>all men who are citizens
And they weren't.
The wording of that law at the time in question was clear over who is a citizens and who isn't, it was a clearly restricted birthright, it wasn't modern birthright citizenship, it was changed later.
Yet you are defending the honor of racists. I attack anyone I see as being wrong it doesen't matter if they are weaker or in power or not.
And you are defending the leftist historytelling and political pet peeves, even though they are wrong and you are wrong by doing so, because the whole framework of understanding past racial politics they propose is by now throughly red, no escaping it, you need a new one, better to start from nothing than use such tradition.
What do you mean by leftists view? All of Christian western civilization does hold the belief that morals are universal yes they always apply.
Yet by time and place they have massive disagreements over what those morals are and who do they apply to specifically. Sometimes to the point of having wars over it. If Christendom was united under one church you may have had a point, but that ship has sailed many centuries ago, for the first time, and then again and again and again.
Something is wrong even if you do it to an enemy or out group.
Some things are wrong to do to in-group but necessary to do to enemies and/or out-group.
If you disagree that there are such things, go stand in the corner with the people holding the "no borders, no nations, no deportations" placard, because leftist preaching has fundamentally broken your basic understanding of the place of nations, cultures and states in the world, by using universalism as its tool.
If you want to go to a time to where it's ok to rape women of other tribes you have to go to before Christianity. European pagan tribes are usually not considered part of Western civilization.
Yet obviously to your oddly chosen obsession of slavery, it's not applicable, as for a huge chunk of history Christian world was fine with that.
The only pagans that were Western were Greeks and Romans and they had a form of universal morality that applied to honor that you abandoned like a leftist.
Yet neither of them were universalist, and both practiced slavery and rape of enemy tribe's women, you honorless pawn of progressives.
They would only want to ruin Europe if Europe wants to ruin them.
(citation needed)
They are not people who practice what current day isolationists or peaceniks preach, in fact they would openly mock anyone who would ask them to think and act this way.
And so do i.
CCP at very least is willing to dominate the whole globe by force if it serves their interests and they think they can get away with it.
Again you are the one supporting the side that does not want to live and let live.
There is no such side, and i refuse to support something that doesn't exist. There are only people deluding themselves that if they "live and let live" they will be left alone themselves.

Meanwhile only those on top of the geopolitical hierarchy even get to make the choice to be left alone, and if that's where they are, they know that they have no need to be isolatinist as more than a fancy, and a favor to those who have ambitions to take the top spot in the future.
Rome has both risen and fallen by that principle.
Would you rather let China win and dominate you, or would you rather launch all the nukes?
Better Fallout larp than gulag. Quicker and better death, with slightly bigger chance of avoiding it.
Why do you think the Chinese would pick different from you and they are more cowardly and willing to be your vassals as opposed to ensuring humans are wiped out?
Launching would not wipe all humans out, those theories are something that would be said seriously only by a propagandist or an idiot hippie.
They know it. I know it. People who don't should not be allowed even within earshot of politicians.

Again morals if everyone shares them you can make the argument. If we don't and we go your way it leads to atheism and everyone doing what they want and then they will do what is good for them and fuck your people up.
That's a huge if, that never in history was true on global scale, and at times it was more than now, and it certainly won't be true within our lifetimes.

We live in a world full of atheists, whether you are one of them or not, you have to adapt to live with the fact that it is so. If you think you can convert them regardless of the above, start with the CCP to make your case to the rest, i'll get the popcorn.
The Islamic nations don't hate Japan they don't do stuff like this to Korea or Vietnam.
The Japanese are pagans by their standards. That's enough to hate them to some influential part of Islamic nations.
See: What Islamic nations did to Yazidis, and do in many parts of Africa.
So no this early 2000's arguments are wrong. They hate us because we go to the Middle East get involved in their politics and support nations they are opposed to like Israel.
They hated us long before that, at least whenever they didn't have guns pointed at their faces, and when it was still PC for us to hate anyone, we hated them right back. I'm talking about something over 1200 years.
Take your leftist historiography to a progressive university or something, have a beer with Howard Zinn, pat Oliver Stone on the back or something.
 
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King Arts

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Yes, i'm saying America is at least several "peoples" wearing a trenchcoat and with a lot of arguments and spats somewhat agreeing to stick as one country.
I'm far from the only one who noticed, some wrote about it more in depth.
Oh wow there are different regional cultures inside the national culture. I guess England isn't real because England itself has various groups with diffrent accents and have a hard time understanding each other(England not Scotland or Ireland). Also Germany isn't real because Bavarians are not like those from Berlin.

And indentured servants had no guarantee that they will be alive and well at that point, so it was a very soft "guarantee". We are at this point arguing details, not some dramatic difference.
Would you rather be an indentured servant or a slave. Don't give a bullshit weasel answer there will be an obvious answer.

>all men who are citizens
And they weren't.
Yeah you are showing how it was on that thing. And how the hypocrisy of the south was.

And you are defending the leftist historytelling and political pet peeves, even though they are wrong and you are wrong by doing so, because the whole framework of understanding past racial politics they propose is by now throughly red, no escaping it, you need a new one, better to start from nothing than use such tradition.
It's not leftism it's just the truth that that's what it is. If you are saying that the truth is leftist you are condemning yourself to lose.

Yet by time and place they have massive disagreements over what those morals are and who do they apply to specifically. Sometimes to the point of having wars over it. If Christendom was united under one church you may have had a point, but that ship has sailed many centuries ago, for the first time, and then again and again and again.
They still believed in universal morality they just disagreed on what is good or bad are you unable to read what I said?

Yet obviously to your oddly chosen obsession of slavery, it's not applicable, as for a huge chunk of history Christian world was fine with that.
I don't have a problem with slavery, I have a problem with hypocrisy. I don't rail against Ancient Romans or Greeks, or act like a cringe lord "Slavers are hostis humani generis!" I just look down on hypocrites if you claim egalitarianism and then don't follow up on it I can look down on you. Same reason why communists are scum. I'm surprised you bitch about one but try and bend over backwards for the other.

Yet neither of them were universalist, and both practiced slavery and rape of enemy tribe's women, you honorless pawn of progressives.
They had a universal standard of honor. Again it was ok to enslave those you defeated and rape women that does not violate universal honor. But desecration of the dead was something you weren't supposed to do to the vanquished for instance in the Illiad when Achilles drags Hector's body the story treats that as a bad thing.

Another instance is Alexander the Great he punished those who betrayed Darius the Persian King, even though Darus was his enemy. He still regarded him with respect. Wheras your neocons would reward those on the enemy side who would be traitors.

The question I have to ask you if you accuse me of being honorless how can you have so much less. I mean you cry out as you strike at those you dislike. It's like you are only motivated by petty spite, and kissing up to America. You bitch and moan about any Arab, or Russian or Chinese and them being evil scum. So can you point to a enemy that you want to be dead on the battlefield that you actually respect and think are good people? So pretty much any Arab, Chinese, or Russian who is working for their own nation and not a defector to the west that you respect.

I can point to historical figures like in world war 2 German soldiers like Rommel. I give you a pass towards Russia because you are Polish and there is history. But you simp for everything the west does like a neocon boomer so any Chinese or Arabs that you think are good people and you respect for fighting for their national interests?

(citation needed)
They are not people who practice what current day isolationists or peaceniks preach, in fact they would openly mock anyone who would ask them to think and act this way.
And so do i.
CCP at very least is willing to dominate the whole globe by force if it serves their interests and they think they can get away with it.
They aren't isolationists or peacenicks but they also aren't cartoon villains who want to "conquer da world!"

Better Fallout larp than gulag. Quicker and better death, with slightly bigger chance of avoiding it.
So what makes you think that the Chinese aren't willing to launch all the nukes to prevent another century of humiliation? If you are willing to prevent them from dominating why shouldn't they do the same to prevent you?

Launching would not wipe all humans out, those theories are something that would be said seriously only by a propagandist or an idiot hippie.
They know it. I know it. People who don't should not be allowed even within earshot of politicians.
Irrelavent and there are weapons that could wipe out humans.

The Japanese are pagans by their standards. That's enough to hate them to some influential part of Islamic nations.
See: What Islamic nations did to Yazidis, and do in many parts of Africa.
Yet they don't seem to be going for the pagan Japanese, they are going for the formerly Christian now secular west. It's like religion is not the primary thing but it's secondary and political and economic factors are in play instead.

They hated us long before that, at least whenever they didn't have guns pointed at their faces, and when it was still PC for us to hate anyone, we hated them right back. I'm talking about 1200 years.
Take your leftist historiography to a progressive university or something, have a beer with Howard Zinn, pat Oliver Stone on the back or something.
Yes because you Catholics were just as bad.
 
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Husky_Khan

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Yeah I was watching some videos on the reaction taking place in China to all of this and it actually seems the comments are more mocking the Chinese in this situation at worst.

They even posted this as a meme apparently!

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Top comments from an article... these ones are more mocking of the Chinese behavior in the video and meme'ing them.



This is getting to be a bit in the weeds but apparently one of the people caught on video with the other ChiCom advocates by the Pianists Livestream is a woman named Christine Lee, whose a lawyer based in the UK who is a political influencer agent on behalf of the Chinese Communist Party as reported by Mi:5 and engaged in legal/law based warfare against those perceived as anti-ChiCom in Britain.



Mengying Liu, one of the other ChiCom chicks in the video has stayed they are pursuing legal action against Brendan Kavanaugh, the pianist in question and Twitter User Byron Wan who popularized the video on Twitter/X.

 

Marduk

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Oh wow there are different regional cultures inside the national culture. I guess England isn't real because England itself has various groups with diffrent accents and have a hard time understanding each other(England not Scotland or Ireland). Also Germany isn't real because Bavarians are not like those from Berlin.
Those cultures are not regional, they are based on specific immigration origins, and i ask again, what way of life and beliefs do they share?
Would you rather be an indentured servant or a slave. Don't give a bullshit weasel answer there will be an obvious answer.
I'd rather be a skilled slave in Rome than an indentured physical laborer anywhere.
The "details" you discard so casually are what really decide the level of danger, discomfort and opportunity to buy-out for a slave, rather than general terms.
Yeah you are showing how it was on that thing. And how the hypocrisy of the south was.
The founders had different meanings for the terms you base your claim of hypocrisy on, and it wasn't just southern states.
In the 1770s, enslaved black people throughout New England began sending petitions to northern legislatures demanding freedom. Five Northern states adopted policies to at least gradually abolish slavery: Pennsylvania in 1780, New Hampshire and Massachusetts in 1783, and Connecticut and Rhode Island in 1784.
The first is 4 years after 1776.
It's not leftism it's just the truth that that's what it is. If you are saying that the truth is leftist you are condemning yourself to lose.
Except it's not truth, just your twisted interpretation of it.
They still believed in universal morality they just disagreed on what is good or bad are you unable to read what I said?
Yes, they believed their own moral standards were right, but that's pretty common in general. If they felt like pressing the matter they always could shit on others for having different, wrong moral standards.
But it wasn't universalism in the sense that a noble, an exotic pagan barbarian and a peasant are exactly the same and should have the same moral rights and protections.
I don't have a problem with slavery, I have a problem with hypocrisy. I don't rail against Ancient Romans or Greeks, or act like a cringe lord "Slavers are hostis humani generis!" I just look down on hypocrites if you claim egalitarianism and then don't follow up on it I can look down on you. Same reason why communists are scum. I'm surprised you bitch about one but try and bend over backwards for the other.
I don't care about obsessions and pet peeves of egalitarians.
And neither did US Founding Fathers btw, so you can't call them hypocrites for not being egalitarian.
They had a universal standard of honor. Again it was ok to enslave those you defeated and rape women that does not violate universal honor. But desecration of the dead was something you weren't supposed to do to the vanquished for instance in the Illiad when Achilles drags Hector's body the story treats that as a bad thing.
That's a poor example for universalism, Hector was a fellow Greek, like Achilles, and not even a random one, but given favor by Greek gods too.
Would they care if he did that to some random barbarian from some exotic culture they don't give a fuck about?
Another instance is Alexander the Great he punished those who betrayed Darius the Persian King, even though Darus was his enemy. He still regarded him with respect. Wheras your neocons would reward those on the enemy side who would be traitors.
Which traitor do you refer to? If Bessus, then it's a terrible example, as he was not a traitor in favor of Alexander, just a rebel exploiting his invasion for opportunity to declare himself king... of lands Alexander was planning to conquer anyway.
He betrayed the king, but for himself, not for Alexander, nor offered to serve Alexander.
An enemy of my enemy is not necessarily my friend, Alexander for sure knew that.
The question I have to ask you if you accuse me of being honorless how can you have so much less. I mean you cry out as you strike at those you dislike. It's like you are only motivated by petty spite, and kissing up to America. You bitch and moan about any Arab, or Russian or Chinese and them being evil scum. So can you point to a enemy that you want to be dead on the battlefield that you actually respect and think are good people? So pretty much any Arab, Chinese, or Russian who is working for their own nation and not a defector to the west that you respect.
There are no highly developed and well functioning countries that would fit the bill and have the west as an enemy and clearly deserve the bill as such. Arabs are mostly backwards people high on religion and oil money, Chinese are run by commies, though a lot of their businessmen are competent and cunning for sure, and Russians are destroying themselves with acting out grand imperial ambitions not supported by sufficient political, economic and military foundation, though their intelligence services have remained pretty effective and competent compared to the rest.
I can point to historical figures like in world war 2 German soldiers like Rommel.
So can i, but that's history, and Germans are also part of the west btw.
And despite the national socialist's short sighted economic policy which according to some forced them to launch the war sooner rather than later, Germany was still a massive economic (both per capita and in scale) and technological power at the time, one in the same league as British fucking Empire and France, and it shows in some things they deployed in the war, so it's easier for them to be a respectable enemy.
The West, as i said, has no such well functioning enemies now.
Even China, despite its power plays, is a mid income country at best and wants to be considered a developing country, and it only goes down from there as far as enemies of the West are concerned.
I give you a pass towards Russia because you are Polish and there is history. But you simp for everything the west does like a neocon boomer so any Chinese or Arabs that you think are good people and you respect for fighting for their national interests?
The Saudi crown prince is definitely respectable, but that's not exactly an enemy of the west, frenemy at worst, both fighting for his interests and intensely modernizing a country that's hard and dangerous to modernize.
They aren't isolationists or peacenicks but they also aren't cartoon villains who want to "conquer da world!"
No, cartoon villains are not as dangerous, too much bragging and revealing plans.
So what makes you think that the Chinese aren't willing to launch all the nukes to prevent another century of humiliation? If you are willing to prevent them from dominating why shouldn't they do the same to prevent you?
The Chinese weren't sent to gulags even for the considerable period of history where British and then US dominated. The worst they can claim is "humiliation" under the former. As existence of many other countries weaker and more easily bullied shows, their options under western "domination" are by historical standards not bad at all, compared to all the other historical and current options. For example, even Iraqis and Libyans, even though technically western powers could just put them in gulags like Chinese do with Uyghurs, take all their oil, and no one could do shit about it, they don't do that, and send humanitarian aid and waste countless man-hours considering the human rights of even rabidly hostile and unreasonable peoples like Palestinians. I often repeat that western powers are too nice to enemies and rivals for their own good as it is, even beyond the practical value (which i recognize) of it.
Irrelavent and there are weapons that could wipe out humans.
Probably. Which is why some people in the know think bioweapons more dangerous to humanity in general than nukes.
Yet they don't seem to be going for the pagan Japanese,
For the same reasons they won't go for commie China, even though that commie China is exploiting some Muslim countries, and putting Uyghurs in gulags.
CCP has one thing they respect, and that's power and willingness to use it against them if only they feel like it.
they are going for the formerly Christian now secular west. It's like religion is not the primary thing but it's secondary and political and economic factors are in play instead.
Yes, opportunity to do it and get away with it is what's decisive.
Yes because you Catholics were just as bad.
If you think "you orthodox" had much better relations with Muslims back then, you have a poor idea about history.
 
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The Sprawling Radio Network That China's Firewall Can't Stop


With 120 stations surrounding China, Sound of Hope boasts one of the largest shortwave broadcasting networks.

Locked inside the crowded Chinese prison, blind lawyer Chen Guancheng hid his most treasured possession from the guards—inside a single serve milk box.

A pocket-size shortwave radio.

For three years, Mr. Chen looked forward to the hours after curfew. With a blanket wrapped over his head and the radio's metal antenna parallel to his body, he lay still as the vibrating device under his ear brought to life a world outside the prison's walls. Petitioners, protesters, human rights abuses, a grassroots movement to cut ties with the Chinese Communist Party (CCP)—in that tiny murmuring voice, he saw them all. He was free.

Over the decade since Mr. Chen escaped to the United States, the pool of Western broadcasters for information-hungry Chinese like him has shrunk considerably.


Radio powerhouses—BBC, Deutsche Welle, Voice of America—have either cut back on their China service or moved programs online. Meanwhile, the "Great Firewall," the regime's censorship apparatus aimed at isolating China digitally, seems only to grow taller by the day.

Bucking the trend is a largely volunteer-run radio network called Sound of Hope, whose 10 p.m. and midnight segments kept Mr. Chen informed about current affairs in China during his years in prison.

The company now boasts one of the largest shortwave broadcasting networks around China, with about 120 stations beaming signals to China 24/7.

Allen Zeng, Sound of Hope's co-founder and CEO, sees shortwave as the answer to the regime's information blackout.

"They can turn off the internet, carry out the killing, wash clean the blood, and turn it back on," he told The Epoch Times, pointing to Iran's pattern of blocking the internet during nationwide protests.

With shortwave radio, though, "they have nowhere to turn it off," Mr. Zeng said.

"It's like the rain falling down from the sky—they have no way to block the sky."

A Voice to Trust

An unlikely journey began in 2004 for Mr. Zeng, then a Silicon Valley engineer.
Inside China, a massive nationwide campaign had been underway, targeting virtually one in 13 Chinese who live by truthfulness, compassion, and tolerance, the three tenets of the faith group Falun Gong.

Arbitrary jailing, slave labor, the abuse of psychiatric drugs, and sexual abuse—the stories trickling out of China were sickening enough that Mr. Zeng and a team of like-minded Chinese expats felt they could no longer stand by.

"We had to do something about it. We needed to stop the killing," he said.

The first thing that came to mind was the shortwave radio that had been a household item in China since the Cold War era, one that in 1989, Mr. Zeng and other college students had turned to for information when authorities rolled their tanks over democracy-loving demonstrators in Tiananmen Square.

"Because nothing else could be trusted," he said.

With little budget and know-how, the team started small: leasing one hour of airtime from Taiwanese national broadcaster Radio Taiwan International.

Around that time, "Nine Commentaries on the Communist Party," an Epoch Times editorial series that unpacked the nature of the Chinese regime, had just been published, and Sound of Hope took it to audio.
It was such a hit in Beijing that shortwave radios were out of stock for months.

The response, and occasional words of encouragement from listeners who managed to bypass China's internet censorship, kept Mr. Zeng's team going. Dissidents chipped in and programs diversified. Soon, they were Radio Taiwan International's biggest contractor.

Gauging the size of the network's audience is difficult given the opacity of data from China.

But Sound of Hope became so influential that it caught Beijing's attention. The Chinese regime began to pressure the radio network's Taiwanese partner.

Eventually, the Taiwanese broadcaster backed out. Sound of Hope was back to square one.

'Walking in the Dark'

Giving up wasn't in Mr. Zeng's vocabulary.
As the partnership with Taiwan unraveled, the engineers raced to develop their own solutions. They drew inspiration from fishing vessels' radio waves to build their own transmitter.

The result was a mini-tower based in Taiwan with upward-facing antennas that spread out like wings. They nicknamed it "Seagull."

The team set its sights low. The first "seagull" had a power level of 100 watts—a thousandth of the smallest radio service they had leased from the Taiwanese broadcaster.

"It was the only thing we could afford," Mr. Zeng said.

"Seagull" No. 1 was short-lived, and so were many of its successors whose signals the Chinese authorities quickly jammed. But to the team, it was a major discovery: At 100 watts, they still had a chance to be heard.

They kept producing and tweaking their equipment with each new creation.

"It was just like walking in the dark—we didn't know whether there would be an end to this tunnel," Mr. Zeng said.

Finally, on the 16th try, they saw a breakthrough. The signal broke through and held steady.

Mr. Zeng figured that they had, for the moment, consumed all the jamming power from China.

"We outgunned them pretty much," he said. "They cannot move as fast as we did."

Expansion

Technical challenges aside, getting the stations to work was no easy feat.
The wilderness, their best location for an uninterrupted signal, is also a haven for creepy crawlers, from scorpions to snakes. Hsieh Shih-mu, a volunteer, stepped on a snake once and sighted many more while building some of the earliest "seagulls" in Taiwan's southern tip. Often, after wobbling back home on a motorcycle on the pitch-black mountain road, he was covered in mosquito bites.

Narrow and muddy, the path became doubly treacherous after rain. One time, another volunteer nearly fell off the hill—and would have, if not for the roadside tree branches that caught his motorcycle. They had to call a tow truck to haul the man back up.


Mixing concrete, welding metals, and erecting shafts, they put it all together from scratch. If one step went wrong, their lives were on the line.

Even after a radio tower was up and running, parts aged and failed. Beijing's interference, wildlife, harsh weather, anything could get in the way. Someone had to monitor the signal constantly, ready to mitigate any hiccup.

"We didn't know how much impact we were having, but we heard that this was something workable, so we just got on with it," Mr. Hsieh told The Epoch Times. "And we kept at it."

His spot, perched atop a mountain one strait away from the mainland, covered southern China's Pearl River Delta, a key Chinese manufacturing and economic hub.


Today, by a "modest estimate," Mr. Zeng believes the entire radio network reaches 60 percent of China and 80 percent of its population, including the heavily surveilled Tibet and Xinjiang.

Sound of Hope generates revenue through its U.S.-based operations, leasing to other radio networks, and donations, according to Mr. Zeng.

With 120 stations surrounding China, the "seagull" network is several times larger than that of Voice of America and Radio Free Asia. That's even as both of those networks receive taxpayer funding to sustain their operations, Mr. Zeng said.

Blows

Unable to block Sound of Hope's airwaves in the sky, the CCP moved to target the network's infrastructure on the ground.
After tracking signals to find the locations of the "seagulls," regime operatives pressured the host countries to wipe the radio network off the map.

One target was the Sound of Hope "seagull" in northern Thailand. In August 2018, the station was raided by police, who dismantled the equipment and took everything from the station—even electric fans, according to Taiwanese businessman Chiang Yun-hsin, who oversaw operations there.

"It was just mind-blowing," he told The Epoch Times.

Mr. Chiang was arrested that November and driven overnight to a Bangkok police station.

Upon his arrest, Mr. Chiang learned from one of the police officers that Chinese police had located their office through satellite images. Chinese police were so intent on action that they flew to Bangkok to demand that their Thai counterparts take down the network. The prosecutor later told his attorney that the Chinese Embassy was adamant that he be sent to prison.

"They wanted to make an example of me," Mr. Chiang said.

Mr. Chiang, who practices Falun Gong, said the Chinese authorities had strained to cast a negative impression of him by maligning his faith among their Thai counterparts. When Mr. Chiang was meditating on the first morning of his detention, a Thai officer was struck by his peaceful demeanor and wondered aloud why he was described as a dangerous man.

Eventually driven out of Thailand with a 10-year ban, Mr. Chiang returned to Taiwan with no regrets—he was doing the right thing, he said.

He remembered how two decades ago in Changchun in northeastern China, a group of fellow Falun Gong practitioners risked their lives to hijack a Chinese state television signal in order to air a program countering the Party's hate propaganda about their faith, a bid that led to a frenzied regime arresting millions.


From across the strait, Mr. Chiang had read about the grueling torture that killed many participants in Chinese prisons and met several who had to forsake their homeland for survival.

Compared to them, he said, whatever cost he paid was "trivial."

The Precious Radio

Mr. Chen, a self-taught lawyer who advocated for the poor in China, got his first shortwave radio in the 1990s. Until 2012, when he fled to the American Embassy and won his bid for freedom in the United States, he never failed to have one around him for as long as he was able.

During the intermittent home confinement and jail stints for his human rights advocacy, the device was his eyes and ears, allowing him to stay plugged in to the world.


When authorities threw him into prison for speaking out against the regime's forced abortion policy, he smuggled in a radio, and with the milk box scheme, tricked omnipresent cameras, watchful inmates, and wardens who rummaged through their items every two weeks.

Even with smartphones and computers as ubiquitous as they are today, this time-tested technology is still relevant, especially in rural China, said Mr. Chen. Its low price tag remains hard to beat, as is its capacity to inform, independent of internet availability.

"It's one-way communication, but it's still critical," he told The Epoch Times. "Even if you get locked up, at least your thoughts won't become out of step with this society."


Mr. Chen described Sound of Hope as "more grounded" for its detailed reporting on China's social affairs.

"Someone has to keep an eye on the suffering in that part of the world and put it under the international limelight," he said. "There should be more resources dedicated in this area."

As many others retreat, Sound of Hope promises to do just that.

"This is what the Chinese government is afraid of most," Mr. Zeng said. If it isn't, "why do they take so much effort to jam it, even up to today?"

Allen Zeng, Sound of Hope's co-founder and CEO, sees shortwave as the answer to the regime's information blackout.

"They can turn off the internet, carry out the killing, wash clean the blood, and turn it back on," he told The Epoch Times, pointing to Iran's pattern of blocking the internet during nationwide protests.

With shortwave radio, though, "they have nowhere to turn it off," Mr. Zeng said.

"It's like the rain falling down from the sky—they have no way to block the sky."


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Fun fact:

Nellie Ohr is the wife of DOJ official Bruce Ohr. Nellie Ohr, a specialist in Russian matters, was also a contract employee of the CIA for multiple years. In September 2015 Nellie Ohr approached her former colleague at Fusion GPS (Glenn Simpson) for a job.
Nellie Ohr used shortwave to communicate with Christopher Steele to shape the Russiagate hoax. Even the TLAs love shortwave.

Confirmed: Nellie Ohr Lied About Ham Radio To Congress... - The Last Refuge
 

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