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New photographs of the massive second shipyard the Chinese are building on the Yangtze to expand aircraft carrier construction as their breakneck pace continues in the new naval arms race.



High-resolution, commercial satellite images of China’s Jiangnan shipyard in September 2019 provided the clearest glimpse yet of the Chinese navy’s third and largest aircraft carrier.

Reuters obtained the photos from the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington, D.C. In the images, construction of the Type 002 carrier appears to be well underway at the shipyard near Shanghai.

The Type 002 would be the Chinese fleet’s first full-size carrier with catapults for launching heavy aircraft. Beijing’s first flattop, the Type 001 Liaoning, is a refurbished ex-Soviet vessel with a ramp for launching planes instead of catapults. The Chinese-made Type 001A carrier is a copy of the Type 001.

Liaoning, which foreign analysts have described as a training and test vessel, is in service. The Type 001A is mostly complete and could enter service in late 2019. CSIS experts told Reuters that shipyard workers could complete the Type 002’s hull by late 2020.

The shipyard quickly has expanded across what once was abandoned farmland, Reuters reported. "We can see slow but steady progress on the hull, but I think the really surprising thing these images show is the extensive infrastructure buildup that has gone on simultaneously," CSIS analyst Matthew Funaiole told the wire service.

"It is hard to imagine all this is being done for just one ship," he added. "This looks more like a specialised space for carriers and or other larger vessels."

Chinese sources have made no secret of Beijing’s intention eventually to build up a fleet of six carriers, two for each of the Chinese navy’s northern, eastern and southern regional fleets. One vessel in each fleet could deploy while the other underwent maintenance.
Basically the first of China's flush-decked carriers--catapult launched--is now on the ways at a massive new facility meant specifically for producing large warships and augmenting the Dalian yards.
 

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I wonder how well this thing'll do when their economy implodes.

If they can actually keep their build-up speed, they might actually be able to drive the USN out of their local region some time in the next couple decades. Maybe.

The big question is how long it'll take before the crash hits them, and how they react to it.
 

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Or maybe the USSR of the 1970's... Chinese economy seems to be much, much better than the Soviet, though.
Only on the surface; scratch it, and you'll quickly realize how shaky their economic foundations really are. I give them a decade, maybe two tops, before their economy collapses in spectacular fashion.
 
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Ruthless threats by Red Chinese against refugee Uyghers using their families as bait--and hostages.

Two days after Abdujelil Emet sat in the public gallery of Germany’s parliament during a hearing on human rights, he received a phone call from his sister for the first time in three years. But the call from Xinjiang, in western China, was anything but a joyous family chat. It was made at the direction of Chinese security officers, part of a campaign by Beijing to silence criticism of policies that have seen more than a million Uighurs and other Muslim minorities detained in internment camps.

Emet’s sister began by praising the Communist party and making claims of a much improved life under its guidance before delivering a shock: his brother had died a year earlier. But Emet, 54, was suspicious from the start; he had never given his family his phone number. Amid the heartbreaking news and sloganeering, he could hear a flurry of whispers in the background, and he demanded to speak to the unknown voice. Moments later the phone was handed to a Chinese official who refused to identify himself.

By the end of the conversation, the façade constructed by the Chinese security agent was broken and Emet’s sister wept as she begged him to stop his activism. Then the Chinese official took the phone again with a final warning.

“You’re living overseas, but you need to think of your family while you’re running around doing your activism work in Germany,” he said. “You need to think of their safety.”

In interviews with more than two dozen Uighurs living across Europe and the United States, tales of threats across the world are the rule, not the exception. Uighurs living in Germany, the Netherlands, Finland, Sweden, and France all complained of similar threats against family members back in Xinjiang, and some were asked to spy for China.


The Chinese government should not use my family to threaten me
Abduljelil Emet
More than a million Uighurs, a Muslim Turkic ethnic group, and other minorities are being held in extrajudicial internment camps, according to the UN, with some estimates saying the number is “closer to 3 million”.

Emet, originally from Aksu in Xinjiang, has lived in Germany for over two decades and is a naturalised citizen. He does volunteer work for the World Uyghur Congress and is a part-time imam in his community. He has never told his family about his activism, hoping the omission would protect them.

“I will not keep my silence and the Chinese government should not use my family to threaten me,” Emet said. “I was clear with them on the phone: if they harm my family, I will speak out louder and become a bigger problem for the government.”

Full article at link. To whit, the Chinese are actively threatening the families of foreign citizens of Uygher origin to force them to be silent in their own countries of naturalisation. Hat-tip to @Marduk for finding this.
 

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Can't come soon enough.
I do feel bad for a couple of legitimate businesses in China, like HiBy and GamePad Digital, that produce respectable products for sale internationally. I contributed to crowdfunding campaigns from both companies, and I love my HiBy R6 and GPD Win 2.



I am not so sanguine about the collapse of the Red Chinese economy. What’s the rationale about accepting it as a given?
A combination of factors; firstly, the fact that their GDP numbers are fake. Then there's the housing bubble to consider, not to mention the fact that wealthy Chinese have been trying for a long time to get their money out of China any way they can.


In short, the writing is on the wall for China's economy.
 

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Only on the surface; scratch it, and you'll quickly realize how shaky their economic foundations really are. I give them a decade, maybe two tops, before their economy collapses in spectacular fashion.
Oh, I agree the Chinese economy can't go on as it is currently(just like it's not going as it was 10-12 years ago), but I wouldn't be able to make a prediction on when they'll hit the wall.
 

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I do feel bad for a couple of legitimate businesses in China, like HiBy and GamePad Digital, that produce respectable products for sale internationally. I contributed to crowdfunding campaigns from both companies, and I love my HiBy R6 and GPD Win 2.




A combination of factors; firstly, the fact that their GDP numbers are fake. Then there's the housing bubble to consider, not to mention the fact that wealthy Chinese have been trying for a long time to get their money out of China any way they can.


In short, the writing is on the wall for China's economy.
Getting their money out, must be why the actor for Mulan was in some trouble for not declaring some of her money she earned.
 

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I'd loosely guess China's economy starts the breakdown when the EU implodes. Things are already rough with the US due to the Trade War, and Europe as a whole is the only real competitor for a serious export market.

If the EU starts imploding when Brexit hits at the end of the month, we could see a massive sea change in geopolitics as soon as this year.

If that doesn't trigger the EU implosion, and/or if China manages to endure the EU implosion, who knows?
 

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The UK's current BREXIT deal looks to be as bad as Teresa May's own deal, but it looks like the Prime Minister may have to work with it because Parliament made it illegal for him to resign or allow BREXIT to happen without a deal from the EU. I looks like the next few days are going to very interesting indeed.
 

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China has a number of big economic problems.

In no particular order..

1. Ridiculous amounts of debt. The state isn't really in debt but assets under it's control, directly or indirectly are. A small recession would make paying it back incredibly hard.

2. A huge demographic bomb, courtesy of Mao.

3. Transitioning to an information economy while restricting information to the populace for political reasons.

4. Systemic fraud perpetuated by local party officials to make their numbers look bigger. Also regulatory capture, party officials with interests in certain companies using their authority to stifle rivals.

5. Manufacturing fleeing to cheaper markets.

6. The United States and allies treating China like a hostile power.

7. Political instability from strong regionalist tendencies. The CCP derives it's mandate from continuous economic growth, what happens when the growth stops?

It's not a given that their economy implodes (great depression level), but they will hit a recession sooner or later and these problems will become worse.
 
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465 camps... Three million interred... A story of threats to compel obedience, “the organs of dictatorship”, three million in the camps, everyone forced to beg and sing for food... Labor camps, re-education camps and, of course, Concentration Camps. Women raped, human experimentation, and those on the outside required to behave a certain way for their families on the inside to have hope.

Welcome to the true face of communism.
 

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The UK's current BREXIT deal looks to be as bad as Teresa May's own deal, but it looks like the Prime Minister may have to work with it because Parliament made it illegal for him to resign or allow BREXIT to happen without a deal from the EU. I looks like the next few days are going to very interesting indeed.
Parlament is delusional if they think that their going to get a deal. Its litterally not possible.

You need to get every EU country on board with a singular deal even a shit deal that makes the UK a perminat vassal state isn't in the cards because you just need one country to torpedo the whole thing.

The UK has a choice make a deal with the US and have a recession or make no deal and enter a depression.
 

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U.K. Foreign Secretary Dominic Raab has issued a statement saying, "Simon Cheng was a valued member of our team. We were shocked and appalled by the mistreatment he suffered while in Chinese detention, which amounts to torture."
I'll believe it when you actually do something about it, beyond offering condolences to the man who was tortured because of his connection to you. As it stands? I have no doubts the UK government fully intends to betray this man's loyalty, and ignore what was done to him; because to do otherwise would endanger their access to Chinese money.
 

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I'll believe it when you actually do something about it, beyond offering condolences to the man who was tortured because of his connection to you. As it stands? I have no doubts the UK government fully intends to betray this man's loyalty, and ignore what was done to him; because to do otherwise would endanger their access to Chinese money.
The united Kingdom is in a state of complete fuck.

Sooner or later the extensions will end and there will be a hard Brexit, when that happens if they have a deal with the us they enter recession if they don't they enter depression and the longer they put things off the less leverage they will have.

In this state of crisis they don't have any leverage and have to let things go. The Chinese government could rape torture and murder their diplomats right now and put it on you tube and the UK would smile and nod and go along with it. Until they rip off the badaid and start the process of rebuilding everything their out of the game.
 
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