China ChiCom News Thread

[Cherico]

Kinda' makes me wonder whether Western economies are as well-off as they're made out to be, too, actually. We may not be China levels of monumentally over-leveraged, but we've still got debt reliance and lots of artificial "make-work" jobs throughout the private sector that deliver little actual value to consumers.

At any rate, that shit right there makes me think China — not just the CCP, but the literal concept of a unified China itself — is on a road to self-destruction that'll disrupt its usual "cycle" of fragmentation and reunification for generations to come. Wrote about that at length here (since you'd be interested in that), but to sum it up: The state of China now looks an awful lot like the USSR in the '80s, and we all know how that turned out. Ultimately, I'd argue Deng didn't put China through nearly the chemo regimen it needs to survive as a country or as a people — meaning that whatever comes after the People's Republic probably won't be enough to save it.

My money is that China will survive in some form, the CCP not so much.

 

[Zyobot]

My money is that China will survive in some form, the CCP not so much.

Already presented my arguments as to why China itself will probably drop dead, too. Not sure if you've had the chance to read my link in the Cyclical History Thread, so again, here it is.

Moreover, even if it does survive and have its last-minute chemo, I think China will have to make due with living alongside peer superpowers (namely America, and possibly a rising India) that prevent it from going full-blown Greater China mode and completely reabsorbing former East Asian and Indochinese vassals that might want nothing to do with them (due to centuries of bad blood, as well as their proven ability to resist forceful Chinese incursions before). Could become a more "northward-facing" empire via its slow-rolling absorption of the Russian Far East, though, so I guess that's a possibility.

 

[Cherico]

Already presented my arguments as to why China itself will probably drop dead, too. Not sure if you've had the chance to read my link in the Cyclical History Thread, so again, here it is.

Moreover, even if it does survive and have its last-minute chemo, I think China will have to make due with living alongside peer superpowers (namely America, and possibly a rising India) that prevent it from going full-blown Greater China mode and completely reabsorbing former East Asian and Indochinese vassals that might want nothing to do with them (due to centuries of bad blood, as well as their proven ability to resist forceful Chinese incursions before). Could become a more "northward-facing" empire via its slow-rolling absorption of the Russian Far East, though, so I guess that's a possibility.

China's actually lucky to have its break down while everyone else is having their internal issues fuck them over at the same time. When everyones some degree of fucked its harder to take avantage of somebody elses weakness.

 

[Zyobot]

China's actually lucky to have its break down while everyone else is having their internal issues fuck them over at the same time. When everyones some degree of fucked its harder to take avantage of somebody elses weakness.

Maybe, but that doesn't refute anything I said.

In any case, I think both the CCP now (and the Hitlerian "Neo-Legalist" freaks who'll probably succeed them, even more so) are not only incompetent and sitting atop history's largest foundation of structural rot, but have also pissed away most hope of good relations with their neighbors — both in their current form, and over the thousands of years leading up to now — to the point where they'd rather fight Chinese incursions to the death than rejoin voluntarily.

Heck, they might actively prefer the American Empire instead, since the don't have nearly the millennia of troubled history with America as they do with China past and China present. Probably one of the better outcomes, too, as it'd pave the way for an "American Pacific" in which Japan, Korea, Indochina, the Philippines, and Australasia enjoy amicable commerce and relative autonomy under a more freedom-minded, Classically Liberal "Principate" than anything China can offer.

 

[The Whispering Monk]

@Zyobot the US FedGov has been engaging financial accounting shenanigans for as long as I've been alive. OF COURSE, we're more leveraged than they tell us.

 

[Zyobot]

@Zyobot the US FedGov has been engaging financial accounting shenanigans for as long as I've been alive. OF COURSE, we're more leveraged than they tell us.

Yeah, thought so.

Mostly, I guess it's a question of how over-leveraged we are compared to everyone else. Probably not as bad as China, but we'll suffer the consequences in due time. 😔

 

[Cherico]

Yeah, thought so.

Mostly, I guess it's a question of how over-leveraged we are compared to everyone else. Probably not as bad as China, but we'll suffer the consequences in due time. 😔

Pretty much every country on earth is heavily overleveraged so much so that I think that just defaulting on your debt is going to be the painful solution that will be ennacted.

 

[Zyobot]

Pretty much every country on earth is heavily overleveraged so much so that I think that just defaulting on your debt is going to be the painful solution that will be ennacted.

Some are probably more over-leveraged than others, though.

And honestly, I've little doubt the US will default within my lifetime, or that all the stalling tactics the current leadership have put in place are indeed stalling tactics for a crunch that has to hit sometime.

If anything, I actually agree that'll worsen things the more we delay, which is always at the back of my mind when deciding what kind of "preparations" to make and what essential skills to start picking up when I'm still young. Dunno' about you, but for me, gardening seems like a good start.

 

[Cherico]

Some are probably more over-leveraged than others, though.

And honestly, I've little doubt the US will default within my lifetime, or that all the stalling tactics the current leadership have put in place are indeed stalling tactics for a crunch that has to hit sometime.

If anything, I actually agree that'll worsen things the more we delay, which is always at the back of my mind when deciding what kind of "preparations" to make and what essential skills to start picking up when I'm still young. Dunno' about you, but for me, gardening seems like a good start.

Honestly Gardening is just a useful hobby all around.

nothing like eating home grown tomatos man, just don't plant all of the tomato seeds at once like I did because man....

That was a mistake.

 

[Zyobot]

Honestly Gardening is just a useful hobby all around.

Yeah, I figured as much.

Apart from anything else, I like the idea of growing some of my own food. Even if it doesn't satisfy 100 percent of my food needs, I'll at least have a foundation in place and an array of helpful skills that in a worst-case scenario, make me too "useful" to get rid of compared to Tiktok dancers who generate no real, productive value for the rest of us (and would be useless in an "Everything goes to Hell!" collapse, anyway).

nothing like eating home grown tomatos man, just don't plant all of the tomato seeds at once like I did because man....

That was a mistake.

 

[Blasterbot]

Honestly Gardening is just a useful hobby all around.

nothing like eating home grown tomatos man, just don't plant all of the tomato seeds at once like I did because man....

That was a mistake.

I feel like that is a very common mistake a lot of hobby gardeners make. doesn't even just apply to the tomatoes. unless you got a way to preserve what you plant it tends to be way too much to eat at once and you end up kinda sick of whatever it was and needing to throw some of it away or gift it to others.

 

[Zyobot]

I feel like that is a very common mistake a lot of hobby gardeners make. doesn't even just apply to the tomatoes. unless you got a way to preserve what you plant it tends to be way too much to eat at once and you end up kinda sick of whatever it was and needing to throw some of it away or gift it to others.

What, planting all your seeds at once?

Have a separate thread if you and @Cherico are open to keep discussing that, but can easily create a new one, since that one’s been dormant for a bit.

 

[Zachowon]

We are leveraged, but we also have a lot more open finances then China so ours is more truthful then Chinas

 

[Zyobot]

China Will Lose the Most Millionaires of Any Country This Year: Report

China’s prolonged Covid restrictions and “common prosperity” policy have been cited as reasons for wealthy people leaving the country.

news.yahoo.com

Archived version here, for preservation purposes.

 

[Jormungandr]

Yep the CCP Navy is totally gonna put out a top rate Fleet of Ships. Yeah totally gonna buy that.

"Made in China" and "cheap, Chinese crap" are memes for poorly-made shit for a reason. Oh, wait, according to people on our older sister forum, that's "sinophobic".

 

[UberIguana]

According to someone on SB who works with Chinese suppliers, one thing you never trust the Chinese for is steel. Quality control is basically non-existent, to the point some parts from an otherwise perfectly okay batch can be bent by hand.

 

[Sailor.X]

"Made in China" and "cheap, Chinese crap" are memes for poorly-made shit for a reason. Oh, wait, according to people on our older sister forum, that's "sinophobic".

According to someone on SB who works with Chinese suppliers, one thing you never trust the Chinese for is steel. Quality control is basically non-existent, to the point some parts from an otherwise perfectly okay batch can be bent by hand.

With the Flight Deck cracking one can imagine how many cracks are in the Keel and bukheads.

 

[Cherico]

"Made in China" and "cheap, Chinese crap" are memes for poorly-made shit for a reason. Oh, wait, according to people on our older sister forum, that's "sinophobic".

That's more a communist thing before Mao took over china was capable of making some really good shit.

 

[Jormungandr]

That's more a communist thing before Mao took over china was capable of making some really good shit.

Historical context doesn't matter here, though: Anything "made in China" these days is guaranteed to be cheaply-made crap.

With the Flight Deck cracking one can imagine how many cracks are in the Keel and bulkheads.

"Sir, the Chinese carrier has begun to list! It's taking on water!"

"...Did we do that?"

 

[Sailor.X]

Yep totally the world leader and shit........