China ChiCom News Thread

[Cherico]

So… somewhat abrupt, but in case there’s another pandemic, who wants to bet it’ll come from China again?

It has, after all, been the origin point of history’s most infamous plagues, ranging from the Black Death then to Covid now (relative non-deadliness notwithstanding). Apart from anything else, we’re probably overdue for a far more “serious” plague outbreak than Covid, so as far as possible candidates go, odds are it’ll probably come from China again.

Its almost fucking always china.

And I blame their wet markets, seriously even fucking Romania fucking Romania has better food safety then china does and thats....thats just fucking said. That alone is why I think It will probally be them.

 

[AmosTrask]

So… somewhat abrupt, but in case there’s another pandemic, who wants to bet it’ll come from China again?

It has, after all, been the origin point of history’s most infamous plagues, ranging from the Black Death then to Covid now (relative non-deadliness notwithstanding). Apart from anything else, we’re probably overdue for a far more “serious” plague outbreak than Covid, so as far as possible candidates go, odds are it’ll probably come from China again.

Seeing as there has been another lab leak in this time in northwestern China and the net there has been locked down tight. There's already one under way.

NB: Although since the outbreaks are in Inner Mongolia and Xinjiang I can't shake the suspicion that it might be a deliberate purge of minorities instead. As those minorities are barred from travel, have no access to medicine or medical personnel of any sort but the local army base doctor. Who might be the person who infected them in the first place

 

[DarthOne]

Its almost fucking always china.

And I blame their wet markets, seriously even fucking Romania fucking Romania has better food safety then china does and thats....thats just fucking said. That alone is why I think It will probally be them.

Covid was leaked from a lab. And I would not be surprised if some of the other outbreaks came from Chinese labs as well.

 

[AmosTrask]

Its almost fucking always china.

And I blame their wet markets, seriously even fucking Romania fucking Romania has better food safety then china does and thats....thats just fucking said. That alone is why I think It will probally be them.

The wet market was a convenient excuse. There were two lab leaks and the CCP patented two types of Corona type virus vaccines the first in August and the second two days before admitting to an Flu type outbreak in November. The lab safety controls are so lacking the fucking scientists are handling live virus host animals in a NBC suit. But they cut off the hands so the suit is no longer sealed, and are handling the test subjects with bare hands. Because NBC gloves were awkward to work in. Fucking idiots.

The first lab leak was a doctor who got bit by a lab rat. Or bat the video was grainy.

The second outbreak was from a BSL-3 lab that was recorded as having safety unresolved safety issues from April 2019. The morons had a faulty incinerator that wasn't sterilizing the equipment and the general just told them to rinse the equipment in dish soap and use alcohol wipes. In a BSL 3 LAB!!!

Months later we get the big outbreak from those two labs. This is from what the NSA and CIA and NATO allied intelligence agencies have been able to bribe from Chinese sources and agents and is in the report released in April.

There are verified video logs of lab tests with inappropriate or nonexistent safety protocols from BSL 1-4 labs all over China. I'm more surprised the idiots are still alive

 

[Cherico]

The wet market was a convenient excuse. There were two lab leaks and the CCP patented two types of Corona type virus vaccines the first in August and the second two days before admitting to an Flu type outbreak in November. The lab safety controls are so lacking the fucking scientists are handling live virus host animals in a NBC suit. But they cut off the hands so the suit is no longer sealed, and are handling the test subjects with bare hands. Because NBC gloves were awkward to work in. Fucking idiots.

The first lab leak was a doctor who got bit by a lab rat.

The second outbreak was from a BSL-3 lab that was recorded as having safety unresolved safety issues from April 2019. The morons had a faulty incinerator that wasn't sterilizing the equipment and the general just told them to rinse the equipment in dish soap and use alcohol wipes. In a BSL 3 LAB!!!

Months later we get the big outbreak from those two labs. This is from what the NSA and CIA and NATO allied intelligence agencies have been able to bribe from Chinese sources and agents and is in the report released in April.

There are verified video logs of lab tests with inappropriate or nonexistent safety protocols from BSL 1 -4 labs all over China. I'm more surprised the idiots are still alive

Even if they got rid of the labs china would still be the place that generates the most dieases as they have been since antiquity. From both large numbers, unsafe handling of food, and other issues.

 

[AmosTrask]

Even if they got rid of the labs china would still be the place that generates the most dieases as they have been since antiquity. From both large numbers, unsafe handling of food, and other issues.

True. Away from the Tier 1 and Tier 2 cities China is still in the middle ages in terms of education and sanitation. It's a deliberately enforced ignorance.

The labs in question are all under the ultimate command of and have top administrators assigned by the PLA Biological Warfare Division's Weapons Research and Development. The publicly stated goal is a genetically modified virus that can target specific minorities and eventually individual families. All Great Enemies of the Chinese Peoples of course.

The world would be safer if those labs and their materials are sanitized with thermobarics and irradiation. With all involved sent to life Imprisonment.

I don't trust a dictatorship created by a people whose culture consider genocide of their neighbors as the first option to solving overpopulation and living space issues at home, with the ability to create engineered plagues

 

[Zyobot]

Even if they got rid of the labs china would still be the place that generates the most dieases as they have been since antiquity. From both large numbers, unsafe handling of food, and other issues.

You know...

Even playing to the macro-historical outline we've discussed with Skallagrim elsewhere, something else that occurred to me is that China might piss one too many people off to become the Empire of the East.

Apart from all the other factors I listed (such as my prediction here), it's also possible a future Black Death-style outbreak that originates in China might drive everyone else to say "Fuck it!" and nuke it into oblivion — or at least, wall it off from the rest of the world via permanent trade embargoes or a "Great Wall around China!"-style military alliance where its unhappy neighbors band together to contain it — and thus force a collapse more chaotic than the Warring States period, Chinese Civil War, and Great Leap Forward combined. In which case, perhaps India will become the "Persia" to America's "Rome" instead, while China becomes another "Ptolemaic Egypt" that never again enjoys its former glory. 😔

 

[AmosTrask]

You know...

Even playing to the macro-historical outline we've discussed with Skallagrim elsewhere, something else that occurred to me is that China might piss one too many people off to become the Empire of the East.

Apart from all the other factors I listed (such as my prediction here), it's also possible a future Black Death-style outbreak that originates in China might drive everyone else to say "Fuck it!" and nuke it into oblivion — or at least, wall it off from the rest of the world via permanent trade embargoes or a "Great Wall around China!"-style military alliance where its unhappy neighbors band up to contain it — would force a collapse. In which case, perhaps India will become our "Persia" while China becomes another "Ptolemaic Egypt" that never again enjoys its former glory. 😔

There is an active Bubonic Plague outbreak on top of the Covid in Inner Mongolia. The CCP has done nothing apart from herding the Mongols and Uyghurs into massive quarantine areas.

If they were allowed to live a nomadic lifestyle instead of being bound to assigned villages the outbreak would have died already. Instead it's been raging since 2020.

 

[Zyobot]

There is an active Bubonic Plague outbreak on top of the Covid in Inner Mongolia. The CCP has done nothing apart from herding the Mongols and Uyghurs into massive quarantine areas.

If they were allowed to live a nomadic lifestyle instead of being bound to assigned villages the outbreak would have died already. Instead it's been raging since 2020.

More seriously, I don't suppose you have a reference on hand?

Otherwise, I'm aware that even in recent years, China's had close calls like the 2014 Yumen plague incident (here), though judging by Covid and the case you're referring to, it's only a matter of time before the next Black Death does breach containment and starts ravaging the wider world. Never mind all the classified incidents we'll never know about, which only underscores my concern about the next "super-pandemic" coming from China — and probably receiving a far more severe reaction from the world at large than Covid did, seeing as the mid and late stages of this century are when I see everyone else running out of fucks to give. 👿

 

[AmosTrask]

More seriously, I don't suppose you have a reference on hand?

Otherwise, I'm aware that even in recent years, China's had close calls like the 2014 Yumen plague incident (here), though judging by Covid and the case you're referring to, it's only a matter of time before the next Black Death does breach containment and starts ravaging the wider world. Never mind all the classified incidents we'll never know about, which only underscores my concern about the next "super-pandemic" coming from China — and probably receiving a far more severe reaction from the world at large than Covid did, seeing as the mid and late stages of this century are when I see everyone else running out of fucks to give.

It leaked immediatelyin 2020. BBC, CNN, TVR, Russia-1 everyone ran it until it got overshadowed by the covid outbreak all over. Officially only a single herdsman and his village got it. But the lockdown was expanded to the whole province and then got Zero Covid imposed on top of it. Zero Covid is gone but the plague lockdown isn't. The Chinese netizens are still telling each other to stay away those dirty Mongolians have the hei si bing. The poetic alliteration for Black Death.

 

[Zyobot]

It leaked immediatelyin 2020. BBC, CNN, TVR, Russia-1 everyone ran it until it got overshadowed by the covid outbreak all over. Officially only a single herdsman and his village got it. But the lockdown was expanded to the whole province and then got Zero Covid imposed on top of it.

Huh, guess this must be it:

China bubonic plague: Inner Mongolia takes precautions after case

A rural herdsman tested positive for the infection, which can be treated with antibiotics.

www.bbc.com

(Link archived here, for preservation purposes.)

 

[AmosTrask]

Huh, guess this must be it:

China bubonic plague: Inner Mongolia takes precautions after case

A rural herdsman tested positive for the infection, which can be treated with antibiotics.

www.bbc.com

(Link archived here, for preservation purposes.)

Of course the Han settlers in Inner Mongolia have all the antibiotics they need. But any Mongols who want access need to pay thousands of USD in bribes to local officials or Organized Criminals working for aforementioned officials.

 

[Zyobot]

Of course the Han settlers in Inner Mongolia have all the antibiotics they need. But any Mongols who want access need to pay thousands of USD in bribes to local officials or Organized Criminals working for aforementioned officials.

Like I said, making too many enemies in the long run.

At some point, I think China will probably piss away whatever long-term potential it has to become America's peer and chief rival — in large part, thanks to arrogantly snubbing and thumbing its nose at up-and-coming neighbors (such as Japan, Korea, Vietnam, or the Philippines) who might otherwise prove instrumental in helping it consolidate its might. Never mind all of the current regime's structural issues, which may be too much to undo in time.

 

[Cherico]

You know...

Even playing to the macro-historical outline we've discussed with Skallagrim elsewhere, something else that occurred to me is that China might piss one too many people off to become the Empire of the East.

Apart from all the other factors I listed (such as my prediction here), it's also possible a future Black Death-style outbreak that originates in China might drive everyone else to say "Fuck it!" and nuke it into oblivion — or at least, wall it off from the rest of the world via permanent trade embargoes or a "Great Wall around China!"-style military alliance where its unhappy neighbors band together to contain it — and thus force a collapse more chaotic than the Warring States period, Chinese Civil War, and Great Leap Forward combined. In which case, perhaps India will become the "Persia" to America's "Rome" instead, while China becomes another "Ptolemaic Egypt" that never again enjoys its former glory. 😔

Looking at Vedic's civilizations past, on the whole India is a pretty chill neighbor to have. Definetly one of the nicer historical civilizations in the historical record.

 

[AmosTrask]

Like I said, making too many enemies in the long run.

At some point, I think China will probably piss away whatever long-term potential it has to become America's peer and chief rival — in large part, thanks to arrogantly snubbing and thumbing its nose at up-and-coming neighbors (such as Japan, Korea, Vietnam, or the Philippines) who might otherwise prove instrumental in helping it consolidate its might. Never mind all of the current regime's structural issues, which may be too much to undo in time.

They're running out of water. It's one of the main reasons Tibet is of outmost Strategic importance it is the source of 90% of China's water. It is also another reason they want Baikal where 25% of the world's fresh water sits. Oddly as diverse as Baikal's ecosystem the water contains few microorganisms and until Putin's friend polluting it deliberately by dumping his plant's waste into it, it was untouched.

So many unique organisms, the water itself has many applications for many experiments. All the while the natives are caught between Russians polluting their lands and food and the CCP wanting to build a pipeline to take that water.

Most of China's population and industry are in northern China. But 85% of the water is in southern China specifically the Yangtze and Mekong rivers. The Yellow River through ecological mismanagement, pollution and drought is dry except for a shallow 30 m to 100 m channel in the middle. Shipping has all but stopped on the Yellow River due to the traffic jam.

You can't see it but my smile is all fangs and schadenfreude. When they collapse we're taking our holy islands back and sinking those fucking "fishing fleets" they've got squatting on our waters. Suspicious, heavily armored, fishing boats with PLAN crewmen.

Or if we're lucky a typhoon will sink those ships. See how they like it. They ram our ships and leave the crews to drown turnabout is more than fair I say

 

[Zyobot]

They're running out of water. It's one of the main reasons Tibet is of outmost Strategic importance it is the source of 90% of China's water. It is also another reason they want Baikal where 25% of the world's fresh water sits. Oddly as diverse as Baikal's ecosystem the water contains few microorganisms and until Putin's friend polluting it deliberately by dumping his plant's waste into it, it was untouched.

So many unique organisms, the water itself has many applications for many experiments. All the while the natives are caught between Russians polluting their lands and food and the CCP wanting to build a pipeline to take that water.

Most of China's population and industry are in northern China. But 85% of the water is in southern China specifically the Yangtze and Mekong rivers. The Yellow River through ecological mismanagement, pollution and drought is dry except for a shallow 30 m to 100 m channel in the middle. Shipping has all but stopped on the Yellow River due to the traffic jam.

You can't see it but my smile is all fangs and schadenfreude. When they collapse we're taking our holy islands back and sinking those fucking "fishing fleets" they've got squatting on our waters. Suspicious, heavily armored, fishing boats with PLAN crewmen.

Or if we're lucky a typhoon will sink those ships. See how they like it. They ram our ships and leave the crews to drown turnabout is more than fair I say

Not to keeping hammering on this, but it’d grimly hilarious if on top of all that, China ends up releasing a Black Death-style plague that’s the final straw and gets the whole country Hiroshima’d or Nagasaki’d as retribution.

Much as I hate punishing a billion ordinary Chinese for things they had no say in, world leaders in the 2050s and ’60s (again, when I expect things to start falling apart) may have no more patience to spare and will take out a nasty rival, anyway. Similar to what you’ve said, I doubt most of its neighbors will mind.

Then again, simply walling China off via the “Great Wall around China!” idea I suggested may in of itself squeeze it into submission — both in terms of crippling embargoes and keeping the outbreak sequestered in China, so that it kills several hundred-million Chinese instead. Coupled with its preexisting demographic decline and bloody regime change, and you have a recipe for China’s self-destruction.

 

[Lord Sovereign]

Looking at Vedic's civilizations past, on the whole India is a pretty chill neighbor to have. Definetly one of the nicer historical civilizations in the historical record.

I think India, by dint of being a massive country not run by totalitarian lunatics or corrupt to the point of brain damage oligarchs, is going to be the next superpower.

Further to that, as I understand it, isn’t the quality of the individual Indian soldier quite superior to the Chinese?

 

[Zyobot]

I think India, by dint of being a massive country not run by totalitarian lunatics or corrupt to the point of brain damage oligarchs, is going to be the next superpower.

Further to that, as I understand it, isn’t the quality of the individual Indian soldier quite superior to the Chinese?

Don’t know as much about how their militaries stack up, so I’ll leave that for others to answer.

As for China’s prospects in general, I think all the structural rot the current regime is faced with — many cases of which have been brought up in this thread — may spell doom for China in the long term. Deng’s market reforms have bought the CCP time, but given their half-hearted nature and the One-Child Policy, I doubt they’ll be enough to save it from both the structural rot and China’s incoming demographic collapse.

Never mind the possibility that China’s once again the site of a Black Death-style outbreak down the line, causing it to be walled off by neighbors it’s pissed off one too many times that more or less band together into a “Great Wall around China!” to contain it (which may or may not involve nuking Beijing in the process). Apart from anything else, it’s a way to permanently embargo them while ensuring that it’s “only” a few hundred-million Chinese that die of plague instead of scores of your own citizens, too. Callous and without mercy, yes, but given where the world will probably be by 2053 or so, not at all impossible in my mind.

 

[Yinko]

Don’t know as much about how their militaries stack up, so I’ll leave that for others to answer.

As a sort of general rule, the more you fight the better your military. China hasn't fought since Vietnam, where they lost against Vietcong reservists. They haven't won since Tibet, against pacifist monks. India has had four wars with Pakistan, dozens of more minor incidents with them, and aside from those has had some 22 conflicts its been involved in since its founding. Now, maybe in the calculus of war the Chinese would eventually take India down, but the Indians would certainly bleed them for it.

 

[Zyobot]

As a sort of general rule, the more you fight the better your military.

In that case, I guess the US has the most war-fighting experience of all the major powers!

China hasn't fought since Vietnam, where they lost against Vietcong reservists. They haven't won since Tibet, against pacifist monks. India has had four wars with Pakistan, dozens of more minor incidents with them, and aside from those has had some 22 conflicts its been involved in since its founding. Now, maybe in the calculus of war the Chinese would eventually take India down, but the Indians would certainly bleed them for it.

Well, maybe that's the case now.

But my time horizon is more how it'll be around, say, 2053 or so. Basically, when memories of World War II are gone and people the world over will have started running out of fucks to give, as well as when (assuming they continue along their current trajectory) China has had 30 more years to become a gangrenous pariah while India's on the up-and-up.

Sure, things could theoretically come to a head before then, but given its current behavior and all the structural rot there already, I'm not so sure China as a whole — whether still under CCP rule, or with a new "Neo-Legalist" cabal that deposed the old regime in charge — will survive for much longer. Or at least, will have its usual "cycle" of fragmentation and reunification unnaturally disrupted for a few centuries, as eastern and western portions go to India and the American Empire from Skallagrim's outline, respectively.

Quite the "interesting times" if there've ever been any, I'd say — whether for China, its neighbors, or the wider world at large.