Lord Sovereign
The resident Britbong
So, what is the betting on when the Chinese economy goes completely tits up? Do you reckon that would be the outright end of the Neoliberal order, or just a real kick in the bollocks?
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gral
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When, I have no idea. It may even have started already(China's economy is taking a real hit with this COVID shit - recently I said in another board that China is a big 1970's Brazil; if so, it's quite possible we're on the 1974-79 phase, where there was growth, but what the government was doing to keep growing directly led to economic catastrophe after 1979), but I wouldn't bet on it right now.
As for whether it'll be the end of the neoliberal order, I don't think so, because corporations are already going for other countries to do the same thing again, now that China isn't convenient anymore. It will be nasty though, and what happens together with the collapse of China's economy may very well finish the job. But by itself? I don't think so.
Well lets consider this one very true fact. The CCP has literally half assed all of the infrastructure in Mainland China. You have whole skyscrapers that literally collapse on a regular basis. Whole cities devoid of people and The left hand not knowing what the right hand is doing. Everyone is out for themselves in the CCP structure. That is not a recipe for long term success. That should also make you cast a skeptical eye to their military. When you half ass all the real important things like you infrastructure. Do you really think they did not have ass their Navy, Army and Air Force equipment? I think we all know what the real deal is.
More important thing is,would single sons raised as their parents only hope fight against somebody who kill them,not tibetan monks or uygur with knives ? i doubt that.
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Arch Dornan
Oh, lovely. They've sent me a mo-ron.
How many parents would cry at their only son dying?
King Arts
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Almost all lol. Not sure what the earlier statement is about. Single children have gone to war since the dawn of time. True in the past most people had large famillies, but there were some single child famillies, and sometimes those kids went to war, and died.
Arch Dornan
Oh, lovely. They've sent me a mo-ron.
That's because of their one child policy. Now if they went to war a lot of them would die and there goes the birth rate.
almostinsane
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Keep in mind that the three people the Gospels explicitly say Jesus raised from the dead was a personal friend, a 12 year old dead before her time, and a widow's son. Of these, the widow's son was the only one He raised without anyone asking for His help.
Losing your only child has always been considered a grievous fate, particularly in societies before the great Social Security Ponzi Scheme.
Millions of parents losing their only sons? That will be a lot of wailing and gnashing the of teeth.
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The loss of much of the breeding age population, particularly poor families with only one child is a feature, not a bug, to the CCP.
The CCP want to par down their population as well, while encouraging increased birthrates to make sure they have enough essential workers and consumers down the line to keep their golden parachutes/Mandate of Heaven operational and create a new set of indoc'd youth, while replacing any losses due to a 'We have always been at war with East Asia' drawn out conflict with the US, which also seems to want to get rid of 'excess' youth and population of both sexes.
People making the mistake of thinking the elites in the CCP, or anywhere really, actually want a growing population in the long term. Instead of one where they have a serf class that they control from cradle to grave and centralize all power to themselves in perpetuity.
Automation is making it so more and more people are no longer necessary to keep basic shit operational, and China is not unaware of this either.
Bassoe
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On the other hand, it'd solve their gender imbalance/incel crisis and 'demographics go up means good' is a bad joke in the age of automation.
Lord Sovereign
The resident Britbong
Oh god bless you, you think they're that smart.
People dont want to consider the possibility that the chinese are just as retarded as we are.
Bassoe
Well-known member
Thing is, with the looming Automation Menace, our leadership is in exactly the same situation.
Oh god bless you, you think they're that smart.
It will never be smart or wise to underestimate your enemy, and the CCP are not idiots.
Yes, yes they are; why do you think the elites and corpo's are trying to put robots or drones into any position they can?
Arch Dornan
Oh, lovely. They've sent me a mo-ron.
I know they can be retarded. That's why the mandate of heaven was invented.
Lord Sovereign
The resident Britbong
They are communists. That is the political ideology of idiots.
Meme's are not the same as reality, and being commies in no way means the CCP cannot tactically or strategically plan long or short term.
LordsFire
Internet Wizard
It doesn't mean they're completely incapable, but it does plant a massive ideological blind spot in that prevents them from being able to accurately grapple with various problems.
Exhibit A, starving tens of millions of their own people to death.
Exhibit B, requiring their military officers to spend more time imbibing propaganda than actually learning how to fight.
They are capable of making plans both long and short term, but as their ideology is fundamentally incapable of dealing with reality as it actually is, those plans will always have massive flaws.
Whether those flaws will be crucial is another matter.
@LordsFire
Unfortunately, our current leadership also seems to be embracing Exhibit B as well.
Unfortunately, our current leadership also seems to be embracing Exhibit B as well.
History Learner
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The Automation Menace doesn't actually exist in nature, so to speak, but is an artificial creation of the same Capitalist Class that empowered China by deindustrializing the U.S. and is now desperately Anti-China rhetoric and feelings here because they now realized they created what could be their own demise through their own short sighted profit motives.
I don't get the focus on the One Child Policy, which wasn't actually enforced in large swathes of the nation and even in the areas it was had a lot of loopholes; recent Chinese censuses have discovered most of the "missing girls" were actually there the whole time, and are now appearing on official records because its reached the point there is no penalty for such. Outside of all of that, the policy was rescinded years ago.