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PsihoKekec

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Greed and complacency. Corporations will do everything for a few dollars more and politicians are beholden to their will. Once upon a time, China was seen as the final frontier, the last big untapped market, the Holy Grail of corporatism, so anything was excusable in order to get the China to open up and keep it open (sort of). Even those who don't find the relationship profitable anymore, persist due to sunken cost fallacy.

It's like having a bloodsucking parasite attached, you can rip it off, but it will be painful and you will bleed like a stuck pig.
 

DarthOne

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Bear Ribs

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From what I've seen any limit is too little (too late is already pretty well covered). The problem is that childbirth isn't evenly distributed in normal populations, you have a majority of households having 1, maybe 2 kids, and then a small percentage that really wants kids and has five, even six or more. Even though they aren't a large part of the population, the five and six child households are the ones keeping the population steady since the one or two child households don't maintain replacement levels.

Raising the limit to three will be of limited utility because most households will still only have one to two children and the households that would have gone for five will only have three.
 

DarthOne

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From what I've seen any limit is too little (too late is already pretty well covered). The problem is that childbirth isn't evenly distributed in normal populations, you have a majority of households having 1, maybe 2 kids, and then a small percentage that really wants kids and has five, even six or more. Even though they aren't a large part of the population, the five and six child households are the ones keeping the population steady since the one or two child households don't maintain replacement levels.

Raising the limit to three will be of limited utility because most households will still only have one to two children and the households that would have gone for five will only have three.
Shame we in the west can't find a way to incentivize people to have more kids so we can stop relying on immigration to maintain numbers.... course, knowing the government, they'd screw it up somehow.
 

Bear Ribs

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Shame we in the west can't find a way to incentivize people to have more kids so we can stop relying on immigration to maintain numbers.... course, knowing the government, they'd screw it up somehow.
There's a lot of propaganda aimed at keeping American families from having kids. Women are told in school that they can have kids or a career, not both. Guys, meanwhile, are told that once your girlfriend/wife pops out a kid she loses all sex drive, turns ugly and demanding, and gains five hundred pounds. Abortion proponents constantly emphasize how lethally dangerous pregnancy is. TV portrays babies as horrifying shitgoblins that cause endless sleepless nights, terrible messes, and massive expenses for the parents. Domestic Comedies like Family Ties or The Brady Bunch that portrayed families with children as well adjusted and happy have largely vanished from production.

Just changing that part of the culture back to celebrating families would go a long way, though it would take a few years to percolate through the group consciousness.
 

gral

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Hungary is trying, it’s slow going but it seems to be working.
Japan is trying as well, but I don't know how it's going. One interesting thing is the Japanese direct their efforts into households that already have children - their experience is that providing incentives for a 2-children household have another child is a better use of resources than convincing childless households to have a single child.
 

ATP

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...riiiiight.


You assume that they won't find a way to blame everyone else for it, or use their puppets in power to have our taxpayer dollars go into helping them rebuild.

Normally i would say no,but with Biden as president they actually could be saved.
 

Terthna

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Japan is trying as well, but I don't know how it's going. One interesting thing is the Japanese direct their efforts into households that already have children - their experience is that providing incentives for a 2-children household have another child is a better use of resources than convincing childless households to have a single child.
They're also investing heavily into automation to try and mitigate the effects of demographic collapse. The idea seems to be that if they automate everything, they won't need as many people.
 

DarthOne

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Normally i would say no,but with Biden as president they actually could be saved.
That is admittedly a concern of mine as well. Mind you, if the market crash which would result of the Dam's collapsing happens, if Biden tried that it would result in a civil war kicking off.
 
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