Buffy the Vampire Slayer, a discussion thread and retrospective
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Buffy/Xander or Xander/Faith. Or if absolutely necessary Buffy/Xander/Faith. But only one story ever pulled that off decently.
'I Am What I Am' by McGregor.
TtH • Story • I Am What I Am
A "BtVS/AtS Non-Crossover > General" fan-fiction story. Xander inadvertently tells destiny to go F itself.. "I Am What I Am" by MMcGregor
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It does as FireFly showed with Wash and Zoe. Or any number of series. It just takes more talent because you can’t write them abusing each other or yo-yoing between other love interests for drama!!!
Like that whole Buffy, Spike relationship was just fucked up and a repeat of Angel and Buffy. Just more fucked and twisted and I say that as guy who likes Spike as a character.
Honestly the more I learn about BTVS the creepier Whedon becomes.
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I just rewatched the Cruciamemtum episode and it's still retarded; and Giles even considering it was retarded. Easily the worst episode in my rewatch so far.
I never asked about that episode. Wish I had. Talking to Nick was a blast.
I'm mildly tempted to write a fic where Xander tries the typical 'fuse the hyena, soldier and fishman!' Thing and then just fucks it up and mutates himself. Sick of seeing that shit.
The casual way it's done. I don't mind powering him up; haven't seen it done well as of yet though. Xander getting superpowers should be a dammed impactful thin that comes with some negatives.
I remember reading one where a wizard 'enhanced' the soldier and Hyena in him so that their 'instincts' were always active and the result was a Xander that just casually became a combat god rather than considering the concept of being constantly on edge with a predatory spirit and a soldier in his head 'reeeeeeeing' that the trees are speaking vietnamese.
Hell Jack O'Toole presents a perfect entry to some power with a downside with his sentient undead thing. I just feel that a key part of Buffy is that power is a burden to the powerful.
DarthOne
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Assuming that Josh would write them as the good guys. And given this was the 90’s he would have faced more backlash then he would these days if he had not...
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I'm currently writing a story where Xander was kidnapped by Hydra and turned into a Super Soldier. There are net negatives that he has to go through as he'll never have his old life back. He'll always be on the run or looking over his shoulder for them or SHIELD, both of whom want him.
Sounds better than anything I've read.
Still writing it. The point is, he suffers consequences. He gets a power up that makes him competitive within both settings but not over powered. Competent without being a Sue (I fucking Hate Sues). He'll win big and he'll make some colossal blunders. But most of all, he'll make a difference.
Tiamat
I've seen the future...
I have no idea what the actual logic was behind that storyline, which was pretty damn idiotic. Were the Watcher's Council legitimately scared that Buffy had survived that long, rather than thinking it was a GOOD thing? You kind of want your Slayers to survive and thrive and be successful, instead of constantly having to train another Slayer to fill in the gap left behind the last unlucky dead gal. It almost seemed like the Watchers were treating their Slayers with the same regard the Soviets traditionally treated their average Red Army conscript, i.e. meat shields. Which is even more idiotic considering there can "be only one".
Hey, I didn't write this crap....Now, one way they could have saved this idea was, WHY were the Watchers so obsessed by putting Buffy through the Cruciamentum? Apparently she had survived far longer than most recorded Slayers, hell she came back from the dead at least once before that episode. So what could the future implications be? Could Buffy be slowing transforming into something more than a Slayer...and if so, WHAT? An interesting idea, no? Of course, that didn't happen...
It’s less than she survived that long and more that when she turns 18 it’s a test of her cunning and intelligence.I have no idea what the actual logic was behind that storyline, which was pretty damn idiotic. Were the Watcher's Council legitimately scared that Buffy had survived that long, rather than thinking it was a GOOD thing? You kind of want your Slayers to survive and thrive and be successful, instead of constantly having to train another Slayer to fill in the gap left behind the last unlucky dead gal. It almost seemed like the Watchers were treating their Slayers with the same regard the Soviets traditionally treated their average Red Army conscript, i.e. meat shields. Which is even more idiotic considering there can "be only one".
Now, one way they could have saved this idea was, WHY were the Watchers so obsessed by putting Buffy through the Cruciamentum? Apparently she had survived far longer than most recorded Slayers, hell she came back from the dead at least once before that episode. So what could the future implications be? Could Buffy be slowing transforming into something more than a Slayer...and if so, WHAT? An interesting idea, no? Of course, that didn't happen...
The problem is it makes no sense. They weaken her then put her against a dangerous Vampire. They do a modified version with Watchers but they have to do it in groups.
I could see a modified version with a new Slayer but Giles should have been able to answer that based on watching her battles over time or scratch that. Send in a team to observe her for a week or help out when thing are getting bad. Then you have an unbiased account of her combat skill and methods.
The purpose of the test is to make the Council look bad so more drama for Buffy.
I would have just had Buffy and co stumble upon a new Slayer called after Buffy’s death that is disabled or mentally unstable.
Then have a Council agent coolly and quickly execute her. Then tell the Scoobies that literal demons and everything else that goes bump in the night want to enslave and kill humanity. They have been at it since we use to stick by campfires to keep away the night. Because of that fact they have to be ruthless.
A ruthless watchers council being the ending big bad would have been more interesting then the inept researchers and evil ghost we got.
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Navarro
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I mean if you look at the rest of his work, every organisation that rises above the level of "group of close-knit friends" turns out to inevitably be evil.
Typhonis
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Spike smirked as he cornered Angel and the Scoobies in the alleyway. All of them were there, well the ginger wasn't but that didn't matter. He smiled wickedly as Angel tried to protect Buffy and Cordy. He was about to speak when someone walked into the alleyway.
All of them turned to see a middle-aged man walk in. He wore an expensive three-piece suit with an American flag pin upon the lapel. He smiled congenially at all of them then spoke up. "Please break it up. I was asked to keep an eye on these nice young ladies. However, if you want to roughhouse I'm certain I can entertain you in that regard."
Spike felt one of his eyebrows raise. He knew this voice. Sure the man dressed as the mayor of Sunnydale but this was not him. Still, the face and voice were oh so familiar. "Really, roughhouse with me? What kind of wanker do you think you are?"
A small frown crossed his face. His fingers went to the bridge of his nose. He spoke again only the voice was completely different. "Look they are a couple of good looking chicks. Do what you want to Poindexter but leave them alone. Or else."
Now Spike was ticked off. No one told him what to do. He was a master vampire. He killed two slayers and no two-bit politician would tell him what to do. "Or else what, wanker? "
The man wavered. Like a mirage in the desert, his form seemed to wave then vanish. In its place stood a familiar demon. He stood four feet tall. Huge head, large almond-shaped red eyes. Pointed teeth filled its mouth. It wore a white and blue jumpsuit that glowed. The hands had four digits each and it was holding a strange rifle that glowed gold in one hand. The eyes narrowed. "Or else, monkey boy I rip your fucking head off and shit down your throat. Do you think I'm scared of you? I've been killing humans since 1959. Do not cross me!"
All of them turned to see a middle-aged man walk in. He wore an expensive three-piece suit with an American flag pin upon the lapel. He smiled congenially at all of them then spoke up. "Please break it up. I was asked to keep an eye on these nice young ladies. However, if you want to roughhouse I'm certain I can entertain you in that regard."
Spike felt one of his eyebrows raise. He knew this voice. Sure the man dressed as the mayor of Sunnydale but this was not him. Still, the face and voice were oh so familiar. "Really, roughhouse with me? What kind of wanker do you think you are?"
A small frown crossed his face. His fingers went to the bridge of his nose. He spoke again only the voice was completely different. "Look they are a couple of good looking chicks. Do what you want to Poindexter but leave them alone. Or else."
Now Spike was ticked off. No one told him what to do. He was a master vampire. He killed two slayers and no two-bit politician would tell him what to do. "Or else what, wanker? "
The man wavered. Like a mirage in the desert, his form seemed to wave then vanish. In its place stood a familiar demon. He stood four feet tall. Huge head, large almond-shaped red eyes. Pointed teeth filled its mouth. It wore a white and blue jumpsuit that glowed. The hands had four digits each and it was holding a strange rifle that glowed gold in one hand. The eyes narrowed. "Or else, monkey boy I rip your fucking head off and shit down your throat. Do you think I'm scared of you? I've been killing humans since 1959. Do not cross me!"