United States Biden administration policies and actions - megathread

Zyobot

Just a time-traveling robot stranded on Earth.
The least they can do is unseal the indictment/complaint/whatever.

Agreed.

Honestly, I'm nearing the point where I automatically believe news outlets that don't link to or post screenshots of the social-media posts they're reporting on are putting words in others' mouths at best. You know, "Pics or it didn't happen!" and all that.
 

Sobek

Disgusting Scalie
Read both the Forbes article and the ABC article it linked to just now.

Can understand that it's a developing story and all, but anyone else find it odd they won't provide any screenshots of the "threatening messages" he allegedly posted? I know I sure do, though at this point, I shouldn't be surprised.

Now, if they supply evidence that it actually happened (instead of merely going "Trust me, bro!"), then I guess it happened. Even then, that's still way more brutal than the slap on the wrist all the people who threatened Trump got; last time I checked, Kathy Griffin, Eminem, and Madonna weren't shot to death in an FBI raid.

They aren't showing it because if they did it would make the FBI look even worse.

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This is the level of danger here. Literal laughing emoji facebook posts. This was barely worth a cop visit, much less the summary execution he got.
 

strunkenwhite

Well-known member
This is the level of danger here. Literal laughing emoji facebook posts. This was barely worth a cop visit, much less the summary execution he got.
The post I saw cited (no source, of course) was about how Biden was visiting his state and he was dusting off a sniper rifle to welcome him with or something like that. Do you happen to know if that one also had laughing emojis on it?
 

Rocinante

Russian Bot
Founder
Apparently that student loan forgiveness plan has been given the go-ahead again.
Do you have a link?

Because there were Two plans. And I'm curious which this refers to.

Because the second plan wasn't necessarily a bad thing. The major part of what it did was deliver on the already existing forgiveness plan that people have been working towards for decades, but the government was miscounting eligible payment months.

I'm not against that one. Even if you're against the forgiveness in general, I'm more against promising something for 20 years and then not delivering. Or losing count and not delivering.

The second one fixes a mistake.
 

Rocinante

Russian Bot
Founder
Yeah see this isn't the original one that was blocked by Supreme Court that was just handing out 10k-20k for nothing.

This is a forgiveness plan that has been around for a lot longer than Biden.

This plan corrects errors. People have been working towards these forgiveness plans for decades. The government fucked up and miscounted their eligible payments. This fixes that fuck up.

Whether you're for forgiveness or not, if someone has been doing their duty and maintaining the agreed upon payments for 20 years, they deserve the promise they were given.

The only way to end this program would be to say no new people can sign up for it. But you've got to deliver for the people who have been on this program for decades.

This, to me, appears to be a case of "its coming from Biden so we MUST OPPOSE IT NO MATTER WHAT," when even a broken clock is right twice a day.

I hate Biden. He's the worst president I have seen in my life, I think he cheated his entire career and got into his position via collusion with the media to carey out a censorship campaign, and illegal changes in voter laws by the states.

But that doesn't mean every little thing he does is wrong. Fixing what is a legitimate government fuck up is actually a good thing. I don't care who you are, or what letter is by your name. Fixing a legitimate fuck up is the right direction to go.
 

Rocinante

Russian Bot
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I say the solution is to undo bidens actions and allow bankrupcies on student loans.
I would allow bankruptcy too, but absolutely fucking not for people who did the right thing and followed their payment schedule for 20 years. They need to get their forgiveness. They don't deserve to have their credit scores and lending ability fucked over after spending 20 years following the plan they signed up for.

Whether you agree with the policy or not, it needs to be enforced for those who have been on the program. Correcting the count and dishing out forgiven to people who have earned it is the right thing to do.

If you want to do away with it, that's fine, but you have to honor it for the people already on the plan.
 

Cherico

Well-known member
I would allow bankruptcy too, but absolutely fucking not for people who did the right thing and followed their payment schedule for 20 years. They need to get their forgiveness. They don't deserve to have their credit scores and lending ability fucked over after spending 20 years following the plan they signed up for.

Whether you agree with the policy or not, it needs to be enforced for those who have been on the program. Correcting the count and dishing out forgiven to people who have earned it is the right thing to do.

If you want to do away with it, that's fine, but you have to honor it for the people already on the plan.

I can agree to said compromise.
 

strunkenwhite

Well-known member
I am not sure how I missed this, but I'm glad I was in the zeihan thread with time on my hands to click through to another title:



Basically, according to Zeihan, Team Biden was the reason Obama got a brainwave on Iran to begin with, and now Obama's not in the way to screw up the execution so it's looking pretty good. It also helps that one of the side effects of the Ukraine conflict is for Russia's clandestine oil to compete with Iran's clandestine oil, so the cash on offer is more enticing than it would otherwise be. Iran submits to nuclear inspections, and the US gets closer to a balance of power in the Middle East that is self-regulating instead of requiring heavy US involvement.
 

DarthOne

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A NATIONAL DISGRACE: Photos Leaked of Horrific January 6 Prisoner Abuse – Tortured 5 Months in Isolation in a Closet Room with Light on and a Bucket for a Toilet — Where are the ACLU, Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch?


Aug. 17, 2023 7:45 am
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A NATIONAL DISGRACE: January 6 prisoner Ryan Samsel pictured in the closet room he was held in for 5 months in isolation.
January 6 political prisoner Ryan Samsel has been held in prison without trial now since January 2021.

During his two-and-a-half years without trial Ryan has been moved around to 17 different facilities. Ryan has been beaten, abused, tortured, and neglected since his arrest in January 2021.

Earlier this week The Gateway Pundit received exclusive photos from Ryan Samsel's prison cell at the FDC in Philadelphia. The cell was a size of a closet with a light on all of the time. The cell had a thin blue mattress, no sheets or blankets, no clothing, and he was kept here for five months straight.

The photos are just shocking. This is taking place in America today. This is who we are.

Ryan told The Gateway Pundit in a conversation this week, "I was kept in … a hard cell. And in that particular cell about five, six months. I even told you what was happening is the judge was actually calling, trying to get in contact with me because I wasn't in a named cell. They were missing me and they were saying I wasn't showing up to court. They were saying I wasn't showing up to medical. But they were pretty much keeping me in there… Like I said, it was cold, the light was on, there's zero window. And that followed me from Virginia. When I was in Virginia, it was the same exact conditions."
Ryan described the same situation in Virginia, "It was Central Regional Virginia Jail (CVRJ). I was kept in and they called it booking hard cell, which is you get zero phone, zero commissary, zero clothing because they think that you're going to hang yourself and you're on constant surveillance. You're under surveillance constantly. The light has to be on 24/7. You're locked in a cell. There is no getting out. The windows in Virginia were covered by a black mat, so you weren't able to see. And it's constant nothing. It's deprivation of everything."

Ryan told The Gateway Pundit that there are no books allowed, no letters, no photos. Nothing. The yellow bucket was his toilet.
** Ryan Samsel described what Ray Epps whispered to him on January 6 in a previous post.

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Ryan believes the government tortured him for months so he would rat out the Proud Boys. They even beat Ryan numerous times and kept him locked down so he couldn't communicate with anyone.

This torture is taking place in America today.

Where is the Republican Party?

Where is the ACLU, Amnesty International, and Human Rights Watch?

Please contact these organizations here:
** Contact ACLU
** Contact Amnesty International
** Contact Human Rights Watch
Ryan is not alone. Numerous January 6 prisoners have been held for months in torturous conditions, dozens have been sentenced to extreme sentences for non-violent crimes. This is a horrible chapter in American history. It must be confronted.

What happened to the courageous human rights activists in America?
** And please donate to help raise money for Ryan to pay his attorney here.

As much as I'd hate sounding like a complete edgy teenager here, this really does sum up what I think is going on.

"You know what I've noticed? Nobody panics when things go 'according to plan.' Even if the plan is horrifying! If, tomorrow, I tell the press that, like, a gang banger will get shot, or a truckload of soldiers will be blown up, nobody panics, because it's all 'part of the plan'. But when I say that one little old mayor will die, well then everyone loses their minds."
-The Joker, The Dark Knight

The reason why no one, not the ACLU, Amnesty International, the Humans Rights Watch or the Republican Party? Is because they don't care. It's all part of the plan.

Well, their plan.
 

TheRejectionist

TheRejectionist
I am not sure how I missed this, but I'm glad I was in the zeihan thread with time on my hands to click through to another title:



Basically, according to Zeihan, Team Biden was the reason Obama got a brainwave on Iran to begin with, and now Obama's not in the way to screw up the execution so it's looking pretty good. It also helps that one of the side effects of the Ukraine conflict is for Russia's clandestine oil to compete with Iran's clandestine oil, so the cash on offer is more enticing than it would otherwise be. Iran submits to nuclear inspections, and the US gets closer to a balance of power in the Middle East that is self-regulating instead of requiring heavy US involvement.

Peter Zeihan prediction will be wrong as much as his prediction on Chinese collapse.
He is what Noah Harari is to WEF but to the US interventionist factions.
No sane country unaligned with D.C. would submit to nuclear inspections that will satisfy the US or its proxy Israel (which is never satisfied to begin with whwn it comes to its neighbors).
The only option Iran MIGHT consider an nuclear inspection by anyone would be a total lifting of sanctions, the majority of which only make life complicated for the average Iranian, the majority of which aren't even pro-government since the 1990s.
 

strunkenwhite

Well-known member
Peter Zeihan prediction will be wrong as much as his prediction on Chinese collapse.
He is what Noah Harari is to WEF but to the US interventionist factions.
No sane country unaligned with D.C. would submit to nuclear inspections that will satisfy the US or its proxy Israel (which is never satisfied to begin with whwn it comes to its neighbors).
The only option Iran MIGHT consider an nuclear inspection by anyone would be a total lifting of sanctions, the majority of which only make life complicated for the average Iranian, the majority of which aren't even pro-government since the 1990s.
It may be true that Zeihan is a China doomer but there's a difference between being wrong about the future and wrong about the present. He admits the deal may fall through but do you disagree that it would be a good deal if it didn't?

Also, it doesn't have to "satisfy" Israel, it's a success if the inspectors get to do their thing unmolested for the world to see.

In any case, I just posted it because I had missed the entire story in the first place. Arguably if the deal falls through then it doesn't matter anyway, but I thought people would like to know.
 

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