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Marduk

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>Kuril Islands
That explains a lot.

Officially neither Japan, USA nor even its European allies recognize Russian sovereignty over these islands, so its no surprise that they violate the claim to territorial waters around them too.
Russia regularly violates airspace and territorial waters of Sweden, Finland and NATO countries, and its in worse circumstances, because that's regarding territories they do recognize as belonging to these countries, rather than dispute.
 

prinCZess

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Russia regularly violates airspace and territorial waters of Sweden, Finland and NATO countries, and its in worse circumstances, because that's regarding territories they do recognize as belonging to these countries, rather than dispute.
Yeah, but it's not like Russia has a recent history of intervention into disputed areas with military force to acquire territo--
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Sorry, I couldn't finish that sentence.
 

Whitestrake Pelinal

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>Kuril Islands
That explains a lot.

Officially neither Japan, USA nor even its European allies recognize Russian sovereignty over these islands, so its no surprise that they violate the claim to territorial waters around them too.
Russia regularly violates airspace and territorial waters of Sweden, Finland and NATO countries, and its in worse circumstances, because that's regarding territories they do recognize as belonging to these countries, rather than dispute.
I dispute none of this. I feel zero desire to defend Russia's dubious claims to the Kurile Islands. With that said...

What the fuck are American combat vessels doing in disputed waters around lightly populated islands of modest strategic value, on which there is no current military conflict? There is no possible good outcome from putting them there.
 

Marduk

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What the fuck are American combat vessels doing in disputed waters around lightly populated islands of modest strategic value, on which there is no current military conflict? There is no possible good outcome from putting them there.
For the same reason any other country violates territorial claims it doesn't recognize (or sometimes, like Russia, even when they do but don't like it).
Its a demonstration of confidence and that the claim was not forgotten or accepted or anything. Everyone involved knows it.
As for the strategic value, well, Russia sees it differently.
Why are the islands important?
Although the entire island chain has a total population of only around 20,000 people, the South Kurils are of significant strategic importance to Russia owing to their location. Because the strait between Kunashir and Iturup does not freeze over in winter, control of the islands ensures Russia has year-round access to the Pacific Ocean for its Pacific Fleet of warships and submarines based in Vladivostok.
Arab News reports that Russia has also constructed military bases on the archipelago and has deployed missile systems on the islands, which are “rich in hot springs and minerals and rare metals such as rhenium”, used in the production of supersonic aircraft.
 

Bacle

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>Kuril Islands
That explains a lot.

Officially neither Japan, USA nor even its European allies recognize Russian sovereignty over these islands, so its no surprise that they violate the claim to territorial waters around them too.
Russia regularly violates airspace and territorial waters of Sweden, Finland and NATO countries, and its in worse circumstances, because that's regarding territories they do recognize as belonging to these countries, rather than dispute.
Yeah, at this point there is no reason Russia should be seen as legitimately controlling the Kurile's.

Those are Japanese territory and Russia not giving them back even after the end of WW2 and pulling this sort of shit is part of why people feel they have to 'contain Russia'.

If Russia wants part of Ukraine back, or at least independent of Kiev, it should be willing to give the Kurile's back to Japan formally.
 

prinCZess

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What the fuck are American combat vessels doing in disputed waters around lightly populated islands of modest strategic value, on which there is no current military conflict? There is no possible good outcome from putting them there.
If you want the serious answer?
Discouraging additional military conflict by drawing more explicit lines than the worthless posturing other disputed territory that Russia invaded got.

Japan is a closer strategic ally than Ukraine or Georgia, for instance, and one the US might just be willing to go to mat for in a military conflict. Ukraine and Georgia get pretty words in the UN and MRE's, Japan gets US submarine observation of the Russian naval force doing exercises near the territory they dispute with Russia.
Everyone being reminded of that possibility for mat-going for allies explicitly rather than via empty-word UN rhetoric can be a deescalating force.
 

Whitestrake Pelinal

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If you want the serious answer?
Discouraging additional military conflict by drawing more explicit lines than the worthless posturing other disputed territory that Russia invaded got.

Japan is a closer strategic ally than Ukraine or Georgia, for instance, and one the US might just be willing to go to mat for in a military conflict. Ukraine and Georgia get pretty words in the UN and MRE's, Japan gets US submarine observation of the Russian naval force doing exercises near the territory they dispute with Russia.
Everyone being reminded of that possibility for mat-going for allies explicitly rather than via empty-word UN rhetoric can be a deescalating force.
That's a valid reason. Lord, I hope that's why that sub was there.

I suppose I shouldn't have framed what I said as a question, because I am convinced that our current regime is bucking for a conflict while it still has useful, non-degraded military assets to expend. I believe they intend to engineer another Gulf of Tonkin incident.
 

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This whole thing in Ukraine is more about the Dems rage over 2016, and the 'Russian collusion' hoax they pushed against Trump, as well as the whole Hunter/Burisma thing that went on with Ukraine, on top of trying to either get a wartime boost for the polls, or be seen as getting Russia to 'backdown' from a war.

'Wag the dog' while covering up corruption in DC, getting at minimum a lot of new arms sales, and distracting from how utterly shit Biden's domestic situation is, particlaurly with the talk of US truckers doing their own Freedom Convoy, the Wu Flu vax's being show to be doing more harm than good, and the whole Southern Border issue lingering on, as well as the SCOTUS pick now in the near future.
 

Terthna

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The justification is not allowing Russia to take over another country. This is something that should not be lost sight of.
In other words, it's all about you not wanting to give Russia an inch, even after "our side" has already taken several. Obviously this isn't about Ukraine; it's about your blind hatred of Russia. We could be dropping bombs on Moscow, and you'd be arguing they have no right to defend themselves.

Russia is the one risking starting a world war over Ukraine, and as you say, apparently not for much benefit. All they need to is back the fuck off from their current course and there would be no such risk.
So they're supposed to just sit there and take it, as the United States and Europe slowly take over a country right on their doorstep? That's like arguing they started the first World War, because they could have just stood by and done nothing as Austria-Hungry invaded their ally Serbia. Like it or not, the west started this conflict by backing a regime change in Ukraine that, totally coincidentally (and you'd be a fool to expect anyone to believe that), brought the country out of Russia's sphere of influence and into theirs.



You are officially on the ignore list for the weekend.
Okay? Not that I expect you'll read this after that announcement, but posting that you're going to block someone because they said something you didn't like just makes you look petty.
 

Captain X

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In other words, it's all about you not wanting to give Russia an inch, even after "our side" has already taken several.
List them.

Obviously this isn't about Ukraine; it's about your blind hatred of Russia. We could be dropping bombs on Moscow, and you'd be arguing they have no right to defend themselves.
Me: "If Russia would just stop trying to take over other countries, I would at worst feel indifferently toward them."
You: "You just blindly hate Russia!"
:rolleyes:
I have little patience for people who ignore that I actually say.

So they're supposed to just sit there and take it, as the United States and Europe slowly take over a country right on their doorstep?
In what way are we taking over Ukraine or any other countries? And are you actually that far gone that you think Russia is somehow justified in invading another country to "save" it? Also, are you just pretending Russia hasn't already conquered other former Soviet satellite countries?

That's like arguing they started the first World War, because they could have just stood by and done nothing as Austria-Hungry invaded their ally Serbia.
This is hardly the relationship between Russia and Ukraine.

Like it or not, the west started this conflict by backing a regime change in Ukraine that, totally coincidentally (and you'd be a fool to expect anyone to believe that), brought the country out of Russia's sphere of influence and into theirs.
And Russia is just a sweet innocent little angel, right? :ROFLMAO:

Christ, are you at least getting paid to shill for Russia's government so hard?
 

Terthna

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Of course the idea that Ukraine's leadership are merely puppets of the Biden regime is completely disproven here.
You expected a puppet to display loyalty to a weak master? Ukraine's current leadership are a lot like Afghanistan's former leadership, and they already know what Biden would do in response to a show of force; run away. They're just trying to save their own skins.

List them.
Well, the two that immediately come to mine is the whole "regime change in Ukraine" thing, as well as the fact that we spent four years invoking their image to try and discredit our own president; thus cementing the idea that there can be no peaceful co-existence between our two nations.

Me: "If Russia would just stop trying to take over other countries, I would at worst feel indifferently toward them."
You: "You just blindly hate Russia!"
:rolleyes:
I have little patience for people who ignore that I actually say.
I know what you said; but I've got no other explanation for why you said it, in defiance of the facts.

In what way are we taking over Ukraine or any other countries? And are you actually that far gone that you think Russia is somehow justified in invading another country to "save" it? Also, are you just pretending Russia hasn't already conquered other former Soviet satellite countries?
I am well aware of what Russia has done in the past; but only a fool would fail to recognize that we handed them the justification to go into Ukraine on a silver platter.

This is hardly the relationship between Russia and Ukraine.
They were actually pretty close allies before the coup.

And Russia is just a sweet innocent little angel, right? :ROFLMAO:

Christ, are you at least getting paid to shill for Russia's government so hard?
No, they're not; I'm just willing to give them credit when it's due.
 

Zachowon

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When the US has said it won't get invovled...
Why re people saying the US is going to get invovled?
 

Zachowon

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Because what our current regime claims means little, their word is no good. Biden and Kamala are non-entities and their handlers are careerist politicians.
And the military responds to the president.
Congress can not force the military to do anything.
 

S'task

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And the military responds to the president.
Congress can not force the military to do anything.
Hahaha

Yeah, no. The current top level brass clearly answer to the Swamp Beauracracy, not the President. They didn't when it was Trump in office, as Miley explicitly demonstrated, and they don't with Biden since he's nothing more than a puppet with the collective hands of the beaucracy sticking up his wrinkly old ass.
 

Zachowon

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Hahaha

Yeah, no. The current top level brass clearly answer to the Swamp Beauracracy, not the President. They didn't when it was Trump in office, as Miley explicitly demonstrated, and they don't with Biden since he's nothing more than a puppet with the collective hands of the beaucracy sticking up his wrinkly old ass.
I mean you arnt wrong.

Congress still doesn't seem to want war either. The media saying Ukraine will be invaded is not the same as saying the US will get involved
 

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