United States Biden administration policies and actions - megathread
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Because doing that is technically invading foreign soil, and if China decalres war on the US, it shows we do not care for something and other countries join them, and then boom. World War 3
Either Taiwan is an independant nation worthy of direct nuclear umbrella assurances, as is seemingly the intented of our defense pact with them.
OR
Taiwan is only a rogue province of China we only prop up for their computer chips.
WHICH IS IT?
Circle of Willis
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Haha, holy shit. Now the Harris-Biden administration has decided it's not enough to gag active duty servicemen who may have a thing or two to say about their ineptitude, but they have to silence the retirees too! Well, isn't it a good thing that we never ever heard any retired general criticize Trump 2016-2020...
And to think, not even Truman tried to shut MacArthur up after firing him.
Huh. Isn't that just convenient!The article said:
And to think, not even Truman tried to shut MacArthur up after firing him.
Robovski
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Almost like we had some kind of respected right to free speech and have an individualism tradition in our society. But hey, if you can't take the heat, be sure to tell retired veterans to shut up or you'll sick the law on them for their dissenting political opinions.
Tiamat
I've seen the future...
In short…you want the US to be like the Soviet Union during the Cuban Missile Crisis? I’m not being sarcastic here, I’m trying to understand your position.
Cuban Missile Crisis - Wikipedia
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Eh, doing nothing is always an option. So is failure.
In short…you want the US to be like the Soviet Union during the Cuban Missile Crisis? I’m not being sarcastic here, I’m trying to understand your position.
Cuban Missile Crisis - Wikipedia
Who would you say won the Cuban missile Crisis? America threatened invasion, the USSR showed they were serious about defending Cuba, and America backed down.
Barcles point is, if were serious about defending Taiwanese independence, we would put nukes there, which is a 100x cheaper than deploying troops or fighting a war. Same as the USSR showed it was serious about defending Cuba, and America backed down and Cuba stayed communist.
If were not serious enough to do the easy thing of placing nukes there, then there's a very low chance were serious enough to actually fight China for Taiwan.
The Soviets did that because we put nukes in Turkey.In short…you want the US to be like the Soviet Union during the Cuban Missile Crisis? I’m not being sarcastic here, I’m trying to understand your position.
Cuban Missile Crisis - Wikipedia
China already has plenty of nukes; if they are truly as mighty as Emperor Xi wishes, a few tac nukes in Taiwan should be something they can just shrug off politically.
And if the US is serious about protecting Taiwan as an independent nation, or at least the 'Rightful' Chinese government, stationing tac nukes there should be fine right? We put nukes back in Turkey again after a while, and despite issues, they are still there.
The US military and political establishment need to fucking put up or shut up on Taiwan and what it's 'true' status is.
Either Taiwan is an independent nation on par with Turkey and deserving of a direct nuclear umbrella, or it's just a rogue province we are patrons of and have humored as being independent because they produce so much of our shit.
Maybe it's time to start fucking reshoring shit too, instead of depending on foreign producers.
When you give your word you try and keep your word. Honor is a thing after all.
If we are not serious enough about honoring our word to defend Taiwan to station tac nukes on their soil, why should they trust our word and honor to defend them to the point of risking MAD with the CCP?
You believe Biden has honor? And, well, at this point our promise is more to return Taiwan to China. That is the honor of nearly every president since Nixon that Taiwan is China. So, if we want to follow honor of promises since 1970 and not get in the way of China acquiring its territory fully?
Or are you talking about someone elses honor than the last several presidents?
In other words the Federal government and Bureacratic classes govern via extortion and usurpation and no longer out of any loyalty to their home States.
Funny how Abe Lincoln was deformed after his head got kicked in by a horse when he was a kid and FDR was a drug addicted cripple
Man...Janet Reno, Richard the Third...FDR....Biden.
Noticing a pattern here?
Lol the man likely raped his own children. What honor?
strunkenwhite
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This is just an astounding level of ignorance of domestic Chinese politics. Their leadership isn't beholden to the public in the same way ours is but there is no way going "meh" to nukes in Taiwan is politically viable.
There are already regional politbureau bosses arguing that Xi is a secret monarchist and wishes to make himself Emperor of a new China.
If he nukes Taiwan without a pretext. He isn't lasting 5 hours, nor is anyone related to him.
strunkenwhite
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Sorry, this was in reference to potential Chinese reactions to the USA stationing tactical nuclear missiles in Taiwan.
Xi's choice would be make it politically viable for CCP, or face the US a lot earlier than he wanted to.
People want to harp on how important Taiwan is and how vital it's defense is to the US. How about they advocate for a real move to secure Taiwan's sovereignty in the form of stationing tac nukes there, like we do in Turkey, and treat them as the sovereign nation they are.
Unless of course most of the politics around Taiwan are really us being stuck defending them in pertpetuity because we offshored too much tech infrastructure to them, while not actually recognizing their sovereignty because we still wanted to play ball with the CCP.