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They were actively sabotaged by the party and any ways the movements in it's infancy still.
No, some were just bad picks, like we saw in the Georgia run-off.
Also, Trump has an issue picking anyone who is still willing to flatter him, rather than based on actual electoral chances in their district.
DarthOne
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The dems were intentionally propping up bad candidates to get them through the Primaries, in the hopes that they'd lose the general, and it actually worked decently well.
Bigking321
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I dunno.
I'd put more of the blame on the blatant voter fraud they refuse to investigate plus the blatant corruption.
Remember all that aid money sent to Ukraine that got put into crypto that then got sent to democrat campaigns? And the guy that got arrested for it and for crashing the crypto market that has kinda vanished from the news?
I'd put more of the blame on the blatant voter fraud they refuse to investigate plus the blatant corruption.
Remember all that aid money sent to Ukraine that got put into crypto that then got sent to democrat campaigns? And the guy that got arrested for it and for crashing the crypto market that has kinda vanished from the news?
But they really did prop up bad primary candidates that went on to lose. Right wing news was going wild over how much money dems were putting into GOP candidates. This was a tactic that they were openly employing, that worked. We don't get to pretend it didn't happen.
The dems suck at governing, but they aren't entirely incompetent. This is why I always warn people not to underestimate them. They are indeed effective political actors, who suck at actually running the country.
Keep in mind this very same tactic also utterly failed for them in the 2016 election. They and their media buddies gave a bunch of attention to Trump, with the idea that if he won the primary, Hillary would easily beat him. It didn't work so well for them that time. It did work in 2022.
Bigking321
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I'm just saying it would have backfired on them as bad as backing Trump did except they seem to have learned from that and figured out how to "fortify" the elections better than in 2016.
strunkenwhite
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So, in short, you don't think they were actually bad candidates. Or at least not bad enough that they could have legitimately lost the general election.
the republican party is adapting and learning, this is a marathon not a sprint.
Bigking321
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Eh... there's no way to know.
At this point I am firmly convinced that our election system is broken. We should have mandatory audits of every election and voter Ids and whatever else that could ensure their legitimacy. But the people in charge want our elections to be as insecure as possible and try to prevent any questioning at all. Looks corrupt as hell.
That doesn't mean that some candidates weren't actually terrible. Dr. Oz being a good example.
But there's no way to know if they would have lost legitimately or not.
Certainly less of them would have lost. That's for damn sure.
I dunno. Unless we can finally get rid of the corrupt Republican leadership, I don't really see any gains mattering.
Many of the losses were from the leadership refusing to fight against potential fraud or playing games behind the scenes with funding and support.
The establishment on both sides is bad. Democrats are just more open with their insane evil and corruption.
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The republican establishment has already had a partial purge and its only going to purge more people with time.
Bigking321
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Here's hoping. 👍
strunkenwhite
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I wouldn't expect the old guard to get thrown out in every state, but nationally their star is pretty clearly fading.
Zyobot
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Having looked at the comments: It amuses me how one of them complained about the Right not letting this go, when the Corporate Press bleated nonstop about Trump having a surprise physical once or holding the rail tightly as he descended some steps. Not to mention how Biden literally gaffed about having cancer last year, so...
DarthOne
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Eh. I have some. Having seen what cancer does to a person I wouldn’t wish it on my worst enemy.
…then again, I’m the sort of person who’d rather just shoot my enemy than torture them to death.
Zyobot
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Sorry you had to experience that. Know you weren’t talking about yourself getting it, but obviously, even witnessing a friend or loved one get cancer is… unpleasant (as you well know).
Anyway, ghoulish as it sounds, my preliminary guess is that if Biden dies from this while still in office — or some other ailment he has, or even just blunt-force trauma from falling and bending the wrong way — he won’t be lionized quite as much as John McCain was. Sure, he may have been Obama’s VP and beaten (or, you know, “beaten”) Orange Man in 2020, but a future in which his dismal and scandal-ridden presidency caps off with him dying in office wouldn’t be a good way to close out his story. Of course, he may be seen as “good” relative to Kamala if she succeeds him, though that’s probably a low bar just about anyone could clear, really.