Arch Dornan
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She could get away with it posthumously while leaving her kids to face the music.
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That's not how things work. Her kids will definitely be fine. We don't punish children for the crimes of their parents.
Arch Dornan
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I'm not talking about that kind of punishment, it's that public knowledge of what she did that'll be on record to haunt them for a long time if they ever want to pursue politics.
The Bushes are done yes? I heard the last Bush got voted out of Texas recently.
Zyobot
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You know, as much as I'd rather not assume the worst of the kids, just because their parents were crooked, I honestly don't think you can be part of the Bush or Clinton family, without being corrupted along the way. And, considering how Chelsea spent her formative years raised by Bill and Hillary, well...
Probably for the best.
Honestly, though, it'd be great if they had more than their political career at stake for a change. Sure, being American political royalty and losing your base to some MAGA upstarts may bruise your ego, but at the end of the day, you’ll still live a more-than-comfortable life and get off scot-free for whatever crimes you committed. Again, I don't want to assume the worst of George P. Bush in particular, but as I said, being raised in a family of corrupt elites influences who you ultimately become, so...
Arch Dornan
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That depends on the money she had from the Clinton foundation otherwise raised as she is she's only good for being a socialite banked by her parent's dealings.
The taint by association is just too strong to forgive and forget for now. Give it time and maybe one of their descendants may come back like Marcos' son in the Philipines.
Zyobot
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Yeah, she doesn't strike me as the "politically interested" type, either. Then again, you don't have to hold political office to be a corrupt elite, and I'm sure she's taken advantage of her family's wealth and status in many dirty dealings over the years. Her kids will turn out similarly, I fear.
Maybe, but at that point, I'm just hoping future Bushes and Clintons have more integrity than their grandparents ever did. Or, better yet, that society's a whole let less forgiving when it comes to their shenanigans, by then, though part of me is equally wary of where that will lead us, considering how upheavals like the French Revolution spiraled out of control real fast.
mrttao
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Oh no, however could they get over this horrid suffering of not being allowed to be a politician for a generation or two while waiting to be memory holed while enjoying the massive massive wealth her criminal parents gathered for her.
Just a reminder that the clintons literally started out as a mafia selling alcohol during the prohibition era (aka illegal narcotics). Nobody cares now, and in 20 years nobody would care about the crimes of hillary and bill either.
Besides which, political office is just a way to steal vast amounts of wealth while acting as a disposable temporary lightning rod for public ire while the true oligarchs rule from the shadows unnamed. They are much better off trying to leverage their wealth towards becoming new oligarchs instead of returning to the scapegoat position.
The public then deludes themselves into believing they made a great victory by... firing corrupt politician A while letting them keep all their ill gotten gains, and appointing the replacement corrupt politician B in their place. And the cycle continues ad nauseum
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Zyobot
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Don't mean to derail here, but I honestly think one of the best ways to illustrate that voting doesn't hold our leadership accountable is by pointing to Nixon and Watergate. He may have been caught red-handed and resigned in disgrace—with his corruption made an issue in the 1976 election, to boot—but he still had a comfortable retirement, still remained a member of the Presidents' Club, and still never faced legal consequences, when anyone else would've had the book thrown at them.
And, judging by the backdoor shenanigans of his successors—Reagan and Iran-Contra, Clinton's perjury and sex scandals, and the Bush family's BS wars—it's clear to me the only lesson they've learned is to be more discrete in their corrupt activities, not to get some integrity for a change. So, yeah, I'm sure voting will do much to improve transparency and accountability, so much as force the elite to extend occasional concessions, and not much else.
Arch Dornan
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mrttao
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absolutely.Don't mean to derail here, but I honestly think one of the best ways to illustrate that voting doesn't hold our leadership accountable is by pointing to Nixon and Watergate. He may have been caught red-handed and resigned in disgrace—with his corruption made an issue in the 1976 election, to boot—but he still had a comfortable retirement, still remained a member of the Presidents' Club, and still never faced legal consequences, when anyone else would've had the book thrown at them.
And, judging by the backdoor shenanigans of his successors—Reagan and Iran-Contra, Clinton's perjury and sex scandals, and the Bush family's BS wars—it's clear to me the only lesson they've learned is to be more discrete in their corrupt activities, not to get some integrity for a change. So, yeah, I'm sure voting will do much to improve transparency and accountability, so much as force the elite to extend occasional concessions, and not much else.
They do not even get a slap on the wrist, the only "concession" they ever give is stepping back and letting someone else have a turn at raping the public.
While all their buddies act as if some great victory was won against them.
mrttao
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Speaking of Watergate... such a joke.
Nixon tries to spy on the democrats because he knew they were crooks and tried to get evidence of wrongdoing. So he got lynched.
Then comes bush and starts mass spying on the public... that is fine. not a scandal
Then obama vastly expands that public spying (despite having vowed to end it when running. he did the opposite once elected). that is fine. not a scandal.
Then they spy on trump during his campaign because he is an outsider... that is fine, not a scandal.
Zyobot
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I mean, he literally had his goons break into the DNC headquarters to destroy McGovern. In fact, even before he became president, he was pulling all sorts of dirty tricks, like sabotaging the Paris Peace Talks to fuck over Hubert Humphrey in 1968, for example. So... yeah, not someone who deserves much sympathy, though speaking of which:
Yeah, there's a rotten double-standard here, all right. Honestly, it seems that, when you're a crook who tows the establishment line and does the bidding of the Washington elite, you're free to abuse your power and get a comfortable, scot-free retirement for it. I don't like Nixon, as I made clear above, but it's not like his successors were any better, just more discrete and more adept at cultivating "respectable" reputations than he was.
(Biden is even worse at the "respectability" part than Nixon was, I think, but he'll still be shielded from prosecution or serious federal scrutiny, and will go down as more of a senile incompetent than an unapproachable crook, in the eyes of the half-aware public.)
Arch Dornan
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Is that why his dad drinks?
If he had any sense of responsibility, he'd take that human-shaped turd and drag him to the nearest police station.
Zyobot
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Guess Joe’s not the only one with a degenerate son, though even then, there are more guilty parties here than just Pelosi Jr.
Skallagrim
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It is often observed that an environment of affluence requires an attitude of considerable discipline, because the access to wealth removes many natural pressures that force discipline upon most "common" people. In other words: if you don't have to work to survive, it becomes far more important that you are actively instructed about the value of hard work. This typically doesn't happen, which is why rich fathers produce dissolute wastrels of sons so disproportionately often.Guess Joe’s not the only one with a degenerate son, though even then, there are more guilty parties here than just Pelosi Jr.
It's also the process that causes over 90% of all family fortunes to be pissed away again within three generations of being amassed in the first place.
I guess all these fictional billionares that kick their children out to fight for their lives have actually a reasonable foundation in their logic. Filter the idiots that would waste the money and keep the ones that can deal with abrupt changes.
Maybe that's a solution: Force all elites to send their children to somewhere where they have to work and/or fight for a year or two, and hope this forces them to see things from the normal people's perspective.
Floridaman
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I mean that was the whole purpose of why the elite were once expected to actually be in the military in their youth.... they would either learn discipline or die, either at the hands of their enemies or their comrades.