Armchair General's DonbAss Derailed Discussion Thread (Topics Include History, Traps, and the Ongoing Slavic Civil War plus much much more)

[Husky_Khan]

I think it's a serious take. He probably thinks Stalin wouldn't be supportive of ethnic cleansing of Ukrainians by Russians, but genociding them via famine and land reform is just an exaggerated oopsie.

He views Stalin as anti-Imperialist and sees Putins foray as a version of imperialism, not spreading Marxist-Leninist Communism which would be good.

 

[Buba]

He views Stalin as anti-Imperialist

I don't know who "he" is, but I know that "he" is a moron.

 

[ATP]

Despite my opinions on the topic, that is a very dumb take considering the Holomodor.
Either he is dead serious or he is shitposting because how the fuck you take someone with the @ of Yugoslav Maoist?

But then I remember for an extremely short period of time there was a literally NAZI Maoist group and newspaper during the Cold War half a century ago.

So weirder people had been taken seriously.

There were jewish terrorists in Palestine which supported Hitler even in 1942.....Stern gang,i think
@Buba ,you could be right,but he could be most magnificiant troll,too.

 

[The Whispering Monk]

not politics exactly, but this is apparently a thing...not me but someone else's statement:

"Haha. An late christmas present my dad got for my brother just arrived. It's a pair of keychains "Made in Russia and recycled in Ukraine". Basically people took Russian weapons and melted them down into swag, one says it was taken from the Battle of Kharkiv."

 

[Marduk]

not politics exactly, but this is apparently a thing...not me but someone else's statement:

"Haha. An late christmas present my dad got for my brother just arrived. It's a pair of keychains "Made in Russia and recycled in Ukraine". Basically people took Russian weapons and melted them down into swag, one says it was taken from the Battle of Kharkiv."

Yes, it is, if anyone is interested:

 

[Husky_Khan]

There's a YouTube Channel called War Archive that has made some very well done videos showing battlefield animations of various earlier engagement in the Russian Invasion of Ukraine. There's only ten videos on the channel at the moment but they seem pretty high quality.

His first video... Battle for Hostomel Airport



Battle for Kyiv Parts 1 & 2





Siege of Mariupol



And his latest video... The Kharkiv Counteroffensive

 

[ATP]

More M1A1 FEP Abrams (and M-ATV MRAPs) delivered to Ukraine.

Still do not change fact,that Poland gave half of our tanks to Ukraine,and current german goverment in Poland want polish army destroyed,just like was destroyed before 2015.

We need miracle,or soviets take over half of Poland,germans another,and name it as peace.

 

[Husky_Khan]

Still do not change fact,that Poland gave half of our tanks to Ukraine,and current german goverment in Poland want polish army destroyed,just like was destroyed before 2015.

We need miracle,or soviets take over half of Poland,germans another,and name it as peace.

Germany and Moscovy with what Army though?

 

[TheRejectionist]

Frankly I would worry about that only if the AFD gets into actual governing power and even that would take time...unless they awaken the spirit that tried to conquer / ruined Europe for like six times.

 

[Husky_Khan]

Frankly I would worry about that only if the AFD gets into actual governing power and even that would take time...unless they awaken the spirit that tried to conquer / ruined Europe for like six times.

I feel like the AfD would prefer Poland to their pals in the West since they're generally more nationalistic and right wing.

But there is a right wing element that likes Putinism as well. Either way though seems unlikely in the near future.

 

[TheRejectionist]

I feel like the AfD would prefer Poland to their pals in the West since they're generally more nationalistic and right wing.

But there is a right wing element that likes Putinism as well. Either way though seems unlikely in the near future.

I wasn't even taking into consideration a potential "Putinist" element of the Afd, but on Twitter (can't remember if it was pre-Musk takeover) they portray the Germans (including East Prussians, who voted overwhelmingly for the NSDAP) as "total" "victims" of WW2 in the Ostfront.

 

[Poe]

Frankly I would worry about that only if the AFD gets into actual governing power and even that would take time...unless they awaken the spirit that tried to conquer / ruined Europe for like six times.

We need to awaken that spirit. Germany already has everything it wanted back then, now it needs to start taking ownership of it.

 

[ATP]

Germany and Moscovy with what Army though?

Well,Germans have one division now - but,since Poland is ruled by their agent,our army would be ordered to not fight.
And Kgbstan - they still have enough divisions to go to Poland through Baltic states,which practically do not have armies.

@Poe ,awakening german conqer spirit mean another genocide for us,becouse they deny crimes from last war.
And i prefer to not be genocided.

 

[Husky_Khan]

Well,Germans have one division now - but,since Poland is ruled by their agent,our army would be ordered to not fight.
And Kgbstan - they still have enough divisions to go to Poland through Baltic states,which practically do not have armies.

Well if that's true then it won't matter how many tanks you have versus Germany.

Regardlesss it's 250 T-72M and 60 PT-91's sent to Ukraine.

In turn Poland has received 28 K2 Panthers and, 69 M1A1's and 28 M1A2 Abrams on lease already. But 56 K2's and 47 M1A1's will arrive this year.

Plus additionally if Russia attacks NATO forces are already stationed in the Baltics and Poland.

 

[TheRejectionist]

We need to awaken that spirit. Germany already has everything it wanted back then, now it needs to start taking ownership of it.

I don't think that is something anyone wishes it frankly considering how it started and ended both times last century.

 

[Poe]

I don't think that is something anyone wishes it frankly considering how it started and ended both times last century.

Those times Germany was vying with France for dominance of the continent. Right now Germany is defacto ruler of the continent with France as a close ally/best friend essentially. Germany regaining some nationalism and the desire to protect its territory against Russia is only a good thing both for Europe and the US. The only loser really is Russia, but this is something even they want as it means dealing with just Germany and not a Germany dominated by the US.

 

[TheRejectionist]

Those times Germany was vying with France for dominance of the continent. Right now Germany is defacto ruler of the continent with France as a close ally/best friend essentially.

Yeah having a Germany wanting to rule even more with Nationalist flavor is not something desirable.

Germany regaining some nationalism and the desire to protect its territory against Russia is only a good thing both for Europe and the US.

As noted above, it is not desirable considering how the last two or three times it had disastrous consequences for everyone involved.

The only loser really is Russia, but this is something even they want as it means dealing with just Germany and not a Germany dominated by the US.

No, a newly nationalist Germany as you intend it is a defeat for Europe. They, as a people, have already an attitude that they think they can tell others what to do. I rather deal with a Turkified Germany than them going all Gott Mitt Uns and I say this as a former political and cultural Germanophile. It is going to be a situation like Kissinger's debacle in Cambodia : trying to prevent something bad and what follows is even worse.
Germany has already ruined multiple times Europe in its history, both as single individual polities and as an unified state, so there is no historical precendent to say it will be beneficial to the continent or, for what it matters, the world. It didn't work before, it won't work now just like Communism did that time and time again.
Because you open Pandora's box if we let the genie out of the bottle: all bets are off... And I won't be surprised if we see them asking for Silesia and East Prussia or Alsace back.

So no National Germany. Matter of fact, it would have been better if there had been two, or three and five.

 

[Poe]

Yeah having a Germany wanting to rule even more with Nationalist flavor is not something desirable.

As noted above, it is not desirable considering how the last two or three times it had disastrous consequences for everyone involved.

No, a newly nationalist Germany as you intend it is a defeat for Europe. They, as a people, have already an attitude that they think they can tell others what to do. I rather deal with a Turkified Germany than them going all Gott Mitt Uns and I say this as a former political and cultural Germanophile. It is going to be a situation like Kissinger's debacle in Cambodia : trying to prevent something bad and what follows is even worse.
Germany has already ruined multiple times Europe in its history, both as single individual polities and as an unified state, so there is no historical precendent to say it will be beneficial to the continent or, for what it matters, the world. It didn't work before, it won't work now just like Communism did that time and time again.
Because you open Pandora's box if we let the genie out of the bottle: all bets are off... And I won't be surprised if we see them asking for Silesia and East Prussia or Alsace back.

So no National Germany. Matter of fact, it would have been better if there had been two, or three and five.

I disagree, so it seems we're at an impasse.

 

[Zachowon]

I mean, all it takes is some politician to win the hearts and minds of the people.

 

[Jormungandr]

On the one hand, Germany needs to regain some of its national pride back. Its populations are being displaced, harassed, murdered, and raped by migrant hordes, and the Leftist/globalist parasites in charge will happily let it burn if they can maintain power.

Germans are so worried about offending people because of the past that it's destroying their future.

On the other hand, every time Germany has been... ambitious has resulted in disaster. Basically, we need Germans to get their pride back without said pride being contaminated by ambition again.