Armchair General's DonbAss Derailed Discussion Thread (Topics Include History, Traps, and the Ongoing Slavic Civil War plus much much more)

ATP

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Mice were part of the issue from what I've read / watched (Tikhistory's Battlestorm Stalingrad is on the level of the best documentaries I've ever watched), but they were given very early war hand me downs in pretty much all things from the tanks (that did get chewed up by mice) to a few 40mm AT guns that couldn't do jack vs Soviet armor and a lot more besides... not that the Soviets covered themselves in glory in basically going forward like it was the Winter War 1939... if they hadn't been fighting mostly rear guard units they MIGHT'VE been stalled long enough for the 6th Army to get its sh!t together and partly escape encirclement.
True,romanians buyed some AT guns captured in Western Europe which do not worked on T.34.Either in Belgium,or Holland.
And,german hold in reserve one weak armored dyvision,when they should hold at least 2 or 3.

Not mention,that storming Stalingrad was pointless - they should take Baku,where 50% of soviet oil were extracted.
Soviets win thanks to Hitler stupidity.
 

lloyd007

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True,romanians buyed some AT guns captured in Western Europe which do not worked on T.34.Either in Belgium,or Holland.
And,german hold in reserve one weak armored dyvision,when they should hold at least 2 or 3.

Not mention,that storming Stalingrad was pointless - they should take Baku,where 50% of soviet oil were extracted.
Soviets win thanks to Hitler stupidity.
TBF, the Germans were certain they would take Stalingrad in less than a week and considering how sh!t the Soviets were in defending it, they almost did. The thing is though that the Kremlin DNGAF about losses at that point and so basically kept attacking and attacking and attacking which kept stalling the Germans until they could finally build up enough forces to create the encirclement.

Prigozhin and Wagner basically pulled off a modern version of those tactics in taking Bakhmut, relentlessly attacking everywhere and 'hugging' the Ukrainian forces until they buckled and were forced back. They couldn't encircle though thanks to all the trenchworks, minefields and modern surveillance + HIMARS.
 

ATP

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TBF, the Germans were certain they would take Stalingrad in less than a week and considering how sh!t the Soviets were in defending it, they almost did. The thing is though that the Kremlin DNGAF about losses at that point and so basically kept attacking and attacking and attacking which kept stalling the Germans until they could finally build up enough forces to create the encirclement.

Prigozhin and Wagner basically pulled off a modern version of those tactics in taking Bakhmut, relentlessly attacking everywhere and 'hugging' the Ukrainian forces until they buckled and were forced back. They couldn't encircle though thanks to all the trenchworks, minefields and modern surveillance + HIMARS.
Sralin even send 100.000 pilots and other crew members to fight as infrantry.
We are really lucky,that Moscov do not have commie human resources now.
 

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That's the lie of it though, that forcing Ukraine to concede land will be 'cheaper' in the long run for the US.

Forcing Ukraine to concede land only means Russia, under Putin or his successor, will try again for more of it once they've rebuilt their forces. And next time Russia would know they can bite off chunk, destroy anything but the western embassies, and still get away with taking what they can get by just running out the western electorates attention span and perception of events.

You cannot pay school teachers or plow drivers in humvee's or HIMARs either, and if Russia gets a W out of Ukraine's hide, they won't take that as a signal not to try again in the future.
 

Marduk

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That's the lie of it though, that forcing Ukraine to concede land will be 'cheaper' in the long run for the US.

Forcing Ukraine to concede land only means Russia, under Putin or his successor, will try again for more of it once they've rebuilt their forces. And next time Russia would know they can bite off chunk, destroy anything but the western embassies, and still get away with taking what they can get by just running out the western electorates attention span and perception of events.

You cannot pay school teachers or plow drivers in humvee's or HIMARs either, and if Russia gets a W out of Ukraine's hide, they won't take that as a signal not to try again in the future.
The problem here is that some people on the anti-establishment right have lost the plot and started to play with schemes and plots that require some idea about areas of politics that are beyond their interest and/or knowledge, probably both.
They have observed the left and concluded that the correct and effective way to damage the establishment, as they fight it, is fighting is to damage its global influence and stature.
Which from the left's point of sitting and objective list is accurate enough.
However, that's where they are stuck, monkey see, monkey do. They want to copy that, like parrots who don't understand what they are saying. They did not think that perhaps their objectives are different. For the left, old, progressive, even the left-liberal globalists, weakening major western powers (with special note for USA as the world's only superpower) and creating a more "multipolar world" is not an unfortunate side effect, it's not even a fortunate side effect, it's one of primary objectives objective in and of itself, they were always quite open about that, and their actions are in agreement with pursuing that goal.

But what do they achieve if they try to strike at the establishment by copying leftist "anti-militarism", isolationism, anti-warmongering, opposing NATO and all that, however you call this very old by now set of narratives, exactly like the left did in the old days?

Yes, they are pursuing the same goal the left always was. They are in a way being accelerationist too - when the left does what they are doing, they are sneaky and careful, see Obama's "managed decline" . They on the other hand are more open and radical... about pursuing the same thing for slightly different reasons.
So the question is, are they right first, are they anti-establishment first, or are they just idiots who don't know what they are doing in general?

This sort of midwittery is addressed in an old nerd joke:

Three script kiddies are buying tickets for a train. They see a group of three hackers in front of them, and they notice that the hackers bought only one ticket. They are curious and ask the hackers wtf are they doing. The hackers tell them to watch and learn.
When they boarded the train, and the train conductor was about to start checking tickets, they ran off to the toilet. There, the conductor knocked, and one of the hackers said he's sick, can't leave the toilet, and slid the ticket under the door to the conductor. When the conductor went away, they got out of the toilet and the script kiddies saw how cool that was.

Next time the script kiddies decide to copy the hackers, and so they also buy one ticket.
But they also see the three hackers again, waiting for the train without buying any tickets at all.
They are also curious, but they have their own scheme to do. So like the hackers, they boarded the train and hid in the toilet before ticket check started. Soon they hear an announcement of ticket control, and then hear knocking. They slide their ticket under the door... and its gone.
It was the hackers, who took the ticket and ran off to another toilet in another carriage.

Be careful when copying from devious people.
 

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This performance hit hard...



Rest in Peace Polina Menshnykh, a singer who held a performance for Russian and DPR troopers within HIMARS range not realizing it was going to be a mass casualty type of event. 💀

According to social media posts, 25 soldiers were killed and another 25 wounded. Mixed reports of whether they were DPR Troops or members of the 810th Naval Infantry Brigade.


Wait, are you telling me they fired a HIMARS at a base, knowing that there was a concert going on? Please tell me that's a joke. Because that's really fucked up.
 

Marduk

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Wait, are you telling me they fired a HIMARS at a base, knowing that there was a concert going on? Please tell me that's a joke. Because that's really fucked up.
I do not know about a law, convention or custom that makes military bases illegitimate targets in middle of a war, if only there's a concert, party or something like that going on there.
It's almost as if doing such things near the frontline of a textbook conventional war (not even a stabilization mission or other low intensity conflict) is just plain stupidity.
 

TheRejectionist

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Oh but it did happen recently, and the fact that you haven't heard about it nicely demonstrates that you are wrong.
Sure Marduk, whatever you say. You also forget that I don't live in a country where 24/7 we hear either about the Ukraine or the state of Israel, because we have no skin in the game. If Ukraine loses will make no difference to the average Italian and Southern European and we were a country already sour with supporting what our overlords did overseas.
 

Marduk

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Sure Marduk, whatever you say. You also forget that I don't live in a country where 24/7 we hear either about the Ukraine or the state of Israel, because we have no skin in the game. If Ukraine loses will make no difference to the average Italian and Southern European and we were a country already sour with supporting what our overlords did overseas.
Well you were just complaining that you would be hearing of it all over the social media if it happened, so make up your mind.
Yeah, sure, i know, you don't care about our problems, fine, then i will not care about your problems or your political factions being smacked around by EU, globalists or America, ok, whatever, for once they will be doing something useful.
 

TheRejectionist

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Well you were just complaining that you would be hearing of it all over the social media if it happened, so make up your mind.
It isn't in Italy at least.
Yeah, sure, i know, you don't care about our problems, fine, then i will not care about your problems or your political factions being smacked around by EU, globalists or America, ok, whatever, for once they will be doing something useful.
You already didn't. All of those you mentioned do no bring any actual benefit to anyone so it is only fair that I wish every endevor of theirs to miserably fail.
 

Husky_Khan

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Video from May of 2023 of a Ukrainian T-64 Eliminating a modernized Russian T-72B3 Tank.

 

TheRejectionist

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Despite my opinions on the topic, that is a very dumb take considering the Holomodor.
Either he is dead serious or he is shitposting because how the fuck you take someone with the @ of Yugoslav Maoist?

But then I remember for an extremely short period of time there was a literally NAZI Maoist group and newspaper during the Cold War half a century ago.

So weirder people had been taken seriously.
 
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