Armchair General's DonbAss Derailed Discussion Thread (Topics Include History, Traps, and the Ongoing Slavic Civil War plus much much more)

Yeah and causing misery almost everywhere you touch as a consequence.
Russia, China and other third world shitholes cause proper misery, why don't western "contrarians" never whine about their respective MICs.
Sorry, but those leftist memes about le evil western imperialism and MIC are stupid, always were and always will be.
Truly we are seeing the horseshoe theory in action here.
 
I mean, is Japan in misery? Is Germany in misery because of us?
Is Korea?
Is UK?
Is Italy?
You mean your useful idiots? Especially Italy from 1990s onwards. Berlusconi, Draghi,Letta and I could.

Lula in Brazil was put by your State Deparment. I have to look at Operation Condor, Ajax and the cocaine traffic that your CIA generated to see the misery in the rest of the world.
Russia, China and other third world shitholes cause proper misery, why don't western "contrarians" never whine about their respective MICs.
Sorry, but those leftist memes about le evil western imperialism and MIC are stupid, always were and always will be.
Truly we are seeing the horseshoe theory in action here.

I am not a contrarian.

Also, you don't see me ever talk positively of China.

The only meme is you believing that the West is the BEST, which is a faulty concept considering from Los Angeles to Portugal to Germany they are self-immolating into a miserable state where they will own nothing and be "Happy" just like the Chinese. Not to mention all the coups made by either the UK, French and American govs, which there's extensive documentation to boot. And the US is still trying to make individuals countries not improve their local situation, like El Salvador ,as if the coups and their puppets hadn't been enough already.
 
You mean your useful idiots? Especially Italy from 1990s onwards. Berlusconi, Draghi,Letta and I could.

Lula in Brazil was put by your State Deparment. I have to look at Operation Condor, Ajax and the cocaine traffic that your CIA generated to see the misery in the rest of the world.


I am not a contrarian.

Also, you don't see me ever talk positively of China.

The only meme is you believing that the West is the BEST, which is a faulty concept considering from Los Angeles to Portugal to Germany they are self-immolating into a miserable state where they will own nothing and be "Happy" just like the Chinese. Not to mention all the coups made by either the UK, French and American govs, which there's extensive documentation to boot. And the US is still trying to make individuals countries not improve their local situation, like El Salvador ,as if the coups and their puppets hadn't been enough already.
I mean, we didn't have to help Utaly, Germany, Japan, Korea rebuild.
We still help Japan and Korea.
We didn't have to support UK militarily.

And who the hell says we put Lula in power?

You are acting like the Western world isn't able to change all depending who is in power, where as in Russia and China you HAVE to or else you get arrested and reeducated ir killed
 
I am not a contrarian.

Also, you don't see me ever talk positively of China.
But do you talk as negatively of it as of the West?
The only meme is you believing that the West is the BEST, which is a faulty concept considering from Los Angeles to Portugal to Germany they are self-immolating into a miserable state where they will own nothing and be "Happy" just like the Chinese. Not to mention all the coups made by either the UK, French and American govs, which there's extensive documentation to boot. And the US is still trying to make individuals countries not improve their local situation, like El Salvador ,as if the coups and their puppets hadn't been enough already.
The West is more than its wokest shitholes.
And yet again, i can play you the world's smallest violin for those poor leftist third world dictators western powers removed. Sorry, i just can't find any damns to give.
 
But do you talk as negatively of it as of the West?
You can check my posts on the Chicom and Wuhan flu to have your answers.
The West is more than its wokest shitholes.
Not it is not anymore. The only saving grace might be Poland and Central Europe. And for how long could be a matter of when not IF.
And yet again, i can play you the world's smallest violin for those poor leftist third world dictators western powers removed. Sorry, i just can't find any damns to give.
Of course you don't because it wasn't your country paying the consequences for the removal. Or deal with the consequences.
 
Lula in Brazil was put by your State Deparment. I have to look at Operation Condor, Ajax and the cocaine traffic that your CIA generated to see the misery in the rest of the world.
Jesus Christ stop jumping topics. You went from military-industrial complex war supplier stuff and the misery thereby created to CIA government overthrow shit with no explanation.

Well, perhaps for you the topic is always "USA bad" so there's no disconnect. But please think of those who take your words at face value.
 
You can check my posts on the Chicom and Wuhan flu to have your answers.
So, you think the totalitarian shithole governments are bad...
But the West should not do anything to curb their global influence either?
Not it is not anymore. The only saving grace might be Poland and Central Europe. And for how long could be a matter of when not IF.
Yes it is. Even France and Germany are having doubts about this crap. Wokeness is naturally contained by cultural barriers, it can grow well only in some cultures, it's not that well suited to infect others, the resistance to it in the others gets much higher much faster than in its home grounds.+
Of course you don't because it wasn't your country paying the consequences for the removal. Or deal with the consequences.
On the other hand they don't have to deal with the consequences of being run by the leftist dictators in question, there is also that.
 
So, you think the totalitarian shithole governments are bad...
But the West should not do anything to curb their global influence either?
What influence? To sell shitty oil or knock-offs?
Yes it is. Even France and Germany are having doubts about this crap. Wokeness is naturally contained by cultural barriers, it can grow well only in some cultures, it's not that well suited to infect others, the resistance to it in the others gets much higher much faster than in its home grounds.+
I will have to see to believe and so far there is no reason to believe wokeness is behind held back and in fact seeing that pink-purple aberration flag in the White House or trying to impose it in the World Cup tells me there are no borders they will respect.
On the other hand they don't have to deal with the consequences of being run by the leftist dictators in question, there is also that.
So millions of dead, thousands of rapes and devastation is good because they are not run by leftists but by Islamists backed by the West or coke dealers like Nicaragua?
I mean, we didn't have to help Utaly, Germany, Japan, Korea rebuild.
We still help Japan and Korea.
We didn't have to support UK militarily.

And who the hell says we put Lula in power?
Why otherwise there was the same modus operandi to January 6th? Why else they IMMEDIATLY congratulated Lula about democracy?
You are acting like the Western world isn't able to change all depending who is in power, where as in Russia and China you HAVE to or else you get arrested and reeducated ir killed
Europe and America are heading towards that way considering who's ruling the White House. The current leadership arrested dissidents on January 6th, they are mandating that we accept "men are women" and criminalizing everything under the sun and reeducating children to accept "bad" is "good" and the same thing will happen in the rest of the NATO/West camp.
Well, perhaps for you the topic is always "USA bad" so there's no disconnect. But please think of those who take your words at face value.

But my topic is not "USA bad" .

I do not see the whole country as whole as rotten or everything that the US does as negative and you can witness that in my comments in the CHICOM thread or the many things that I share from American youtubers a . However, it doesn't endear to me there's a vision that everything the West or the US is "positive" , especially as someone who's (half) from Latin America, which as region has paid dearly for the interventions of the US and its MIC , which are the reasons why we have so many damn Guevara or Castro-like leaders which we can't rid of because now they are liked by the current Washingtonian administration.

Or that you supported leaders here in Italy, Draghi, Letta and Conte, that tried to turn me into an outcast and poisoned my loved ones ?
 
What influence? To sell shitty oil or knock-offs?
Are you kidding?
I will have to see to believe and so far there is no reason to believe wokeness is behind held back and in fact seeing that pink-purple aberration flag in the White House or trying to impose it in the World Cup tells me there are no borders they will respect.
Of course they won't respect borders they are inside of to begin with. Certain British and American universities are the main hatcheries of woke drones.
So millions of dead, thousands of rapes and devastation is good because they are not run by leftists but by Islamists backed by the West or coke dealers like Nicaragua?
Who knows what the leftists would have done? We both know what are they capable of. I vehemently reject the pseudomoralistic wannabe prime directive of "don't touch third world affairs unless you can make them great and no one can so don't". Fuck it, western countries get to have a foreign policy too, not just Russia, China and wannabe third world powers.
 
Eh, they're tactical weapons. They're also still "russian" despite Belarusian deployment. The only protection they have or need is the joint policies of escalation and "Use it or lose it." If any Western country decides to have a go at them, they'd probably try to use them before they could be destroyed and Russia would almost certainly escalate to tactical nuclear attacks against both Ukraine and whoever tried to strike the Belarusian deployment. At which point, over the course of 15-60 minutes, we end up in a situation where something like +90% of all the world's nuclear weapons both tactical and nuclear will be launched, even when neither the aggressor nor target is directly involved. Fortunately military planners have known and understood these issues for the better part of a century, so we won't be seeing some random NATO state screaming YOLO as the lob missiles at the new location of russian nuclear weapons just because they are somewhere new. This is just more posturing and nuclear sabre rattling from the impotent russian regime.
Agreed...though my brain is going with the thought that Putin doesn't trust anyone so he gave Belarus nukes that don't work.
 
Agreed...though my brain is going with the thought that Putin doesn't trust anyone so he gave Belarus nukes that don't work.
...You know, in a grim, dark way it'd be fucking hilarious if they did try to use them, but they turned out to be fakes/duds. :ROFLMAO:
No, the nukes are there for when Lukashenko kicks it, and his successor is installed.

Putin wants to push Belarus into sending troops into Ukraine, but Lukashenko has been resisting it, and rather..unwell lately.

So when the new person in Belarus takes over and openly joins the war, the nukes are there to make strikes on Belarus more risky and to keep Poland from being willing to strike Belarus as they said they would if Belarus openly joined the war against Ukraine.
 
No, the nukes are there for when Lukashenko kicks it, and his successor is installed.

Putin wants to push Belarus into sending troops into Ukraine, but Lukashenko has been resisting it, and rather..unwell lately.

So when the new person in Belarus takes over and openly joins the war, the nukes are there to make strikes on Belarus more risky and to keep Poland from being willing to strike Belarus as they said they would if Belarus openly joined the war against Ukraine.
Ten years ago, the average person would decry this as a conspiracy theory.

Ten seconds ago, I simply shrugged and thought, "yeah, this is highly likely, especially if Putin just has the guy have an "accident"".
 
Fortunately military planners have known and understood these issues for the better part of a century, so we won't be seeing some random NATO state screaming YOLO as the lob missiles at the new location of russian nuclear weapons just because they are somewhere new. This is just more posturing and nuclear sabre rattling from the impotent russian regime.

No it isn't.
Moving the nukes to a new place makes that new place somewhere that NATO dare not attack, precisely because of the "use it or lose it" factor.

If you launch anything at those nukes, by the time your munitions arrive, the nukes will have already left their silos and be heading your way.
And it's nukes.... When One Flies They All Fly. TEOTWAWKI.

Russia is gambling that NATO still understands this.
 
No it isn't.
Moving the nukes to a new place makes that new place somewhere that NATO dare not attack, precisely because of the "use it or lose it" factor.

If you launch anything at those nukes, by the time your munitions arrive, the nukes will have already left their silos and be heading your way.
And it's nukes.... When One Flies They All Fly. TEOTWAWKI.

Russia is gambling that NATO still understands this.
Of course these nukes are still de facto Russian and under their control, making it effectively a lot like a mirror version of NATO nuclear sharing and previous WP nuclear sharing.
In the unlikely scenario they aren't...
The appropriate US reaction is to promptly announce that every day a new NATO country will receive a gift of few dozen nuclear weapons until Russia rectifies this most egregious violation of all non-proliferation treaties.
 

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