Armchair General's DonbAss Derailed Discussion Thread (Topics Include History, Traps, and the Ongoing Slavic Civil War plus much much more)

Lord Sovereign

The resident Britbong
The US military is nigh invincible in battle these days. As has been said numerous times, its crucial flaw is that politicians with no military experience don't let the actual soldiers do their jobs properly.

As the Romans can attest, when wielded properly, the "hit everything with a hammer" strategy can work very well indeed.
 

ShadowArxxy

Well-known member
Comrade
If the Empire wins this war, its power grows and things get far worse for us. If it loses, it grows weaker and more discredited. So i stand with Russia.
This is positively ludicrous. "I believe the Ukrainian people should submit to being conquered by Russia because they deserve to have their entire existence sacrificed in order to in some vague, indirect way 'weaken and discredit' LGBT people halfway around the world, because my take on American politics should drive the entire world." Would you likewise support the Nazis because they *did* in fact suppress and exterminate LGBT people as part of the Holocaust?
 

Jormungandr

The Midgard Wyrm
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We didn't lose the war of 1812.
It was a stalemate.
It benefitted us on the long term to allow us to be the super power we are today.
Korea was a stalemate only in the sense we didn't have enough ammo to kill the hordes of Chinese.
The withdrawal from the Choisin resvure was because we ran out of ammo. We won the air war there, we won the battles when we didn't have suicide charges of enemies.
We still held them back and the Borth Koreans have not even thought about fighting us again.

We won every battle in Nam, we won every battle in Iraq and A-stan.

Let's not talk about how well every other country in the world who invaded A-stan faired, or the fact that the US military has been the leading power and trainer of war winning countries.

Nope just focus ok the politicians that lose the wars
The war ended in a return to the status quo, but America failed everything it aimed to achieve; hell, that little stunt actually cost them a lot. That's not a victory.

Yes, the Canadians didn't take New Orleans, but America didn't take Canada, either. That was the Americans' objective in the war. They failed. Badly.

If anything, the US came off worse because although the Canadians had their capital burnt, the US lost the symbol of their government (the original White House), were made to look like savages because of their actions in Canada while the Canadians didn't burn theirs to the ground, lost far more ships (which was devastating because the Empire had scores of ships; America had only a few), and they lost more men overall (especially from disease).

Hell, many of the American ill-disciplined militia that went up there broke ranks and scattered when they realized that the Red Coats were moving south, and that their glorious little "shock and awe" campaign failed.

Frankly put, Young America was juiced up on its own success from its Revolution/territorial gains, was overconfident, thought it could go for a land-grab with the Empire distracted by Napoleon, and promptly got its teeth kicked in by a much smaller retaliatory force.

The US lost, man. Badly.

To the rest of the Empire, America's tantrum was a blip compared to Napoleon, and while France was down, America nicked their shit like how you tried with Canada.

Anyway, moving on from 1812... you say you understand the difference between winning battles but losing wars, but your posts say otherwise. Yes yes, "Amerika military stronk", and all that jazz.
 

ShadowArxxy

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Comrade
The United States started the War of 1812 with the nominal goal of forcing an end to British impression of allegedly-American sailors and the actual goal of taking advantage of the war in Europe to score territorial gains against British colonies in America, and the end result was the U.S. all but crawling to the negotiating table to beg for status quo ante and the British shrugging and not bothering to impose any additional concessions because it wasn't even important.
 

Spartan303

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Osaul
...I gotta admit, seeing humvees like that on video outside of a game like Generals or Tiberian Dawn is... strange.


Not for me it isn't. We used those things all the time in Iraq and Afghanistan. Nothing weird about that, at all.
 

Zachowon

The Army Life for me! The POG life for me!
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The US gained New Orleans and all of the land ourchased from France, as well as separating themselves from a reliance on the brits.
 

Jormungandr

The Midgard Wyrm
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Not for me it isn't. We used those things all the time in Iraq and Afghanistan. Nothing weird about that, at all.
I mean from a top-down perspective. It looks exactly like something from Generals or Tiberian Dawn, and looking through a drone camera is like an EVA interface.




Just a bit of personal reality disconnect for me, heh.
 

Spartan303

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Osaul
I mean, I get it, what you're saying. Its just that, for me, its not so strange to see them in action like that.
 

Captain X

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Osaul
For many non-native speakers of English the distinction between city and town is difficult to grasp.
To be fair, in my home state, if it is incorporated, it is called a "city" in my state, no matter how many or how few people live in it.
 

Jormungandr

The Midgard Wyrm
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Life imitates art sometimes, and vice versa, as they say.


Hilariously enough, I recall not long after the original Command and Conquer came out, there was supposedly some talk at the Pentagon about using a modified version of Command and Conquer as a tactics training tool, though I don't think it ever went anywhere.


In other news (and to keep this on topic), the latest post from ISW on the Ukraine front.



Well, they did use a modified DooM wad and then various FPS engines (America's Army) for training. It's unsurprising. :)
 

Aldarion

Neoreactionary Monarchist
Just for the record, you're quoting Carlton Meyer....this fellow?




Same guy who rails about conspiracy theories and "The evil American warmongers", and claims with the recent conflict in Ukraine "The tank is dead"....yeah, they've been saying that or trying to say that since the 1930s.


Not saying it completely invalidates your argument, but...

Eh, I knew there was a list of battles in Vietnam US lost and I took the first link I found as I didn't remember the original one.

Besides, it's not like finding battles where one side failed to achieve objectives and listing them requires much brainpower. Understanding why they were lost on the other hand...
 

ShadowArxxy

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Comrade
If the US had lost at New Orleans, there would have almost certainly been nasty consequences despite the treaty. Victory just cemented it.

Perhaps, but, "This small victory let us cement our crawling for status quo ante bellum from a war we started" just showcases how badly the US was losing throughout. Again, the U.S. started that war with very clear conquests in mind, and they didn't secure a single thing they wanted.
 

Prince Ire

Section XIII
You know, that's the second time you've called Bakhmut a city. You realise it had a prewar population of all of about 70,000 right? At the greatest extremities it's maybe 8×8km. This is what it looked like in April after... What, a year of fighting?
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The Russians weren't "levelling" the town. They aren't capable of doing so. Nor are they capable of the kind of danger close arms integration between artillery and infantry you seem to be suggesting. In reality, they were blasting likely looking targets, then afterwards doing exactly what you said: sending in zerg rushes of untrained idiots, often prisoners with effectively no training and basically no proper kit. And indeed, behind them were the more "professional" wagner mercenaries, and they were indeed quite willing to kill their own people. Every part of that has been documented and presented.

I do not get your weird myopia. You're grandstanding for a bunch of losers, who either don't care about you or hate you. If you think they share your values and objectives, you've simply deluded yourself about what theirs are. Not so long ago, it was understandable to think Russia truly were an impressive fighting force, and not to realise their only concern is their own aggrandisement and power. It's obvious now they're a pathetic shell of their former selves, and even more clear their supposed beliefs and values are just an excuse for an ever more authoritarian, draconian regime. How stupid do you have to be, that them is the hill you want to fight and die on? Do you think you're fighting against leftism by supporting the ghost of the USSR, or are you just the sad, lonely teenager your immaturity suggest, edge-lording on the internet so you can jerk off over your imaginary superiority and brilliance in seeing the "truth"?
70,000 would absolutely be considered a small city here in the US. Town makes me think of someplace with, like, 10,000 people or so.
 

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