Armchair General's DonbAss Derailed Discussion Thread (Topics Include History, Traps, and the Ongoing Slavic Civil War plus much much more)

[Bacle]

I've been hearing nothing but propaganda a out how bad Russia is losing for over a year now. Yet the war wages on. If they were losing anywhere CLOSE to as bad as all that propaganda said, they'd be utterly fucked at this point.

You may want to swing by the actual invasion thread in the War Room to see how hilariously bad things have gotten for Russia supply wise; they are yanking 50's era, unmodified t-55s out of their boneyards and out of museums because the Russians cannot build many, if any, of their more modern tanks anymore, due to being dependent on foreign parts for the fancy bits.

Shit, Russia cannot even make it's own tank-grade ball bearings anymore.

And you seem to have forgotten the 'rapid' wars of the past 30 years the US has been involved in are the exception, not the norm to warfare. Russia has help on because they are literally throwing everyhting at Ukraine, including their few good/professional units (VDV, Spetnaz) that will take decades to rebuild and likely won't be rebuilt with Russian demographic issues.

Russian troops rarely even have comms back to there commanders, or if they do they are unsecured walkie-talkies most of the time.

Consider for a second that both sides are lying to you.

I consider that Russia is lying about 90% of things, and spreading different lies to different parts of the world in a 'throw shit at the wall and see what sticks' methodology.

Ukraine is obviously not going to tell the truth about where their units specifically are, and will troll the Russians back, while maintaining OPSEC for their troops.

Also, the leaks prove why Ukraine is not telling the US everything it does, because Ukraine knows US intel groups leak shit for partisan reasons all the damn time.

We don't really know how it's going in Ukraine, just that we are sending more and more resources over there, to a country and war we should have nothing to do with.

No, there are some rather dependable sources for what is going on in Ukraine, it's just Tucker was absolutely not one of them.

I'd recommend watching Perun's video's, as he is an Aussie, and is someone who backs up all his stuff with sources and sometimes interviews. Also, the Institute for the Study of War is rather dependable, as is Oryx for visually confirmed losses.

I get where skeptisism with the Biden admin and military is coming from, I really do, after the lies about the 2020 election and Jan 6th. And I get wanting to defend Tucker for his efforts towards Jan 6th people and Trump's base/MAGA.

However, the reason I am a 'zealot' for supporting Ukraine is because I have been able to separate my domestic issues with the current admin from the situation in Ukraine, and realize that a lot of people on the Right are really only listening to people like Tucker, and not actually paying attention to the situation on the ground in Ukraine. The Right should be holding Biden's feet to the fire about holding up/slow walking arms and aid deliveries that could save many, many Ukrainian lives (F-16s, Patriot batteries, ATACMS, etc.) and push Russia out even faster.

And really, you're In planefag's discord, there is a lot of info and sources that get posted there in their thread about this war, which don't end up here due to formatting.

 

[TheRejectionist]

Tucker literally used Kremlin talking points, and repeated lies about the situation in Ukraine on numerous occasions, including the farcical kill ratio from the modified images in the leaks.

Tucker never wants to put the same brain power he used for Jan 6th defense into examining the situation in Ukraine, because then it would mean he'd have to admit he bought a bunch of Kremlin lies about the situation.

You were just willingly uninformed for a long time, and still seem rather stubborn about admitting you were wrong about things in said willing ignorance.

Many of the images in the leaks, particularly with regards to the K;D ratios, were modified before the leak to make things look worse for Ukraine; the doctored images stood out and were debunked, yet Tucker took the doctored images numbers at face value.

So I disagree with the supposition that we have been lied to at large about the situation in Ukraine.

"Pro war propaganda'", oh you mean not trying to sell Ukraine down the river Chamberlain-style?

Putin/Russia chose to engage in the invasion, it was not the doing of the West, and helping Ukraine defend itself and retake it's land is a very worthy cause.

Because it is an invasion Putin chose to carry out, this is not something we can blame on Biden.

We can blame Biden for many things, but he is not the one who ordered tanks to roll through Chernobyl.

Look, this is a huge exaggeration of things, and frankly, what we are spending on Ukraine is a tiny fraction of the US budget overall, and well...we're a fiat currency, the US has effectively infinite money and the only thing that matters is what the Fed is doing with interest rates.

The idea that spending to support Ukraine (and they haven't been bled dry, that's another inaccurate exaggeration of the leaks) is hurting the US economy domestically is a complete misnomer and falling for old 'fiscal conservatism' illusions about how the US money supply works.

You obviously aren't actually paying close attention to what is happening on the ground if you think Russia has it's shit together.

@planefag You are better at this than me, can you please help explain how inaccurate this idea about Ukraine's situation and how Tucker regurgitated Russian bullshit on the regular.

If the leaks are untrue, you don't have nothing to worry about.

If they are true, well Ukraine and Biden potentially loosing supporting is also a welcome result. And you will have nothing to worry about.

So it is a win-win for the United States or better the progressive-liberal cabal and their backers.

So if hopefully it is a "two pigeons one stone situation".

 

[Bacle]

If the leaks are untrue, you don't have nothing to worry about.

If they are true, well Ukraine and Biden potentially loosing supporting is also a welcome result. And you will have nothing to worry about.

So it is a win-win for the United States or better the progressive-liberal cabal and their backers.

So if hopefully it is a "two pigeons one stone situation".

No, parts of the leaks were true, however the K : D ratio was massively inflated to make Russia appear to have lost less of their own, and killed more of the Ukrainians, than they actually had.

The leaks actually didn't give away much about Ukraine's real numbers or capabilities, and were mostly the stuff about foreign aid and assessments of foreign actions in regards to supporting Ukraine or Russia.

Also, doesn't look like the leaks are causing any drop in support for Ukraine, at least no among those who weren't already against helping Ukraine.

 

[Cherico]

Let's be honest the fact that the war is still going on is a miracle

 

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

Let's be honest the fact that the war is still going on is a miracle

The fact that so many people fell for this globalist psyop is wild.

This is a fake war, engineered by Beijing and their globalist puppets to weaken America and to return the world to cold war era bullshit where the US IC routinely framed, murdered and raped American citizens for it's own amusement.

I've zero interest in living in a progressive leftist or neocon police state where people can't oppose drag queen story hour because the restrict act will get brought in and they'll be sent to a blacksite and tortured.

To borrow an anti UN meme "I hate the antichrist!"

And among other things, Tucker Carlson got fired for rightly pointing out this entire war is a psyop.

 

[planefag]

I think you're just watching one side of the propaganda, and you've got to realize 99% of the news about this conflict on either side is all propaganda. Those recent leaks exposed that we've been lied to all along.

You people all say this shit: "it's all propaganda on both sides lmao nothing matters" and then go right on to regurgitate fucking propaganda from one side and not the other; such as you, whinging about Our Military Complaining About Not Having Enough Money. When's the last fucking time the US Military had a press release saying "we have enough money no need to give us any more?" Even the most basic, commonplace and widely-recognized bullshit is quoted as gospel fucking truth by you ever-credulous clowns.

I suppose then that it's no surprise you all unblinkingly follow Tucker's lead. After all, Tucker took the most golden opportunity ever handed to any conservative pundit in history and then pissed it away. There he stood, watching the old "liberals" and neocons who'd preached the End of History and relentlessly used the continued quiescence of such as evidence that their, and only their Wise Leadership and globalist policies could ensure peace and prosperity recoiling as it all blew up in their fucking stupid faces. The sneering leftists still nursing grudges over Reagan's policy of "actually fighting enemies" actually working and the neocons tilting at terrorists (which let them continue Reagan's swagger whilst also embracing globalist economics and filling their own pockets) had lost their last claim to legitimacy. The comfortable consumerist world they insisted could only flow from their policies had already been trashed by their own incompetence and short-sighted stupidity during COVID and now international stability and nuclear security was going up in smoke as Russia did exactly what decades of sniveling cowardly fucks had said they would never do, as a direct consequence of their cowardice. And the centerpiece of it all were Javelin missiles; the weapon Trump sold Ukraine that Obama hadn't, over which sale the sniveling cowards would eventually generate a tempest in a teapot over as a pretext to impeach him. It was the perfect fucking setup. And what did Tucker do?

He revealed himself to be a fucking idiot.

He went full palette-swapped NPC, I Support Opposite Of Current Thing, and demonstrated that like any shithead journalist he has a mayfly's memory and a goldfish's interest; that is, looking only so far as the next meal. With one-in-a-lifetime proof of the stupidity and degeneracy of all his enemies, and even vindication of his most recent champion to hand, he jerked the knee and decided to bitch about shit only /pol/ rejects think is relevant or important. Whining about stocks of shoulder-fired missiles as if America, with thousands of M1A2 Abrams in storage is left barren and defenseless without small arms. Whinging about Biden sending anything at all when evidence is plain and mounting that this war would be over by now, along with the suffering and death and without consequence to Ukraine's sovereignty, Europe's security, America's status or NATO's fortunes, if the craven fucking cowards weren't slow-rolling a drip-feed of munitions and capabilities.

With a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to show how decades of his ideological enemies' stupidity, cowardice, and selfish self-serving globalism had blown up in their face and how even a little of the conservative approach (actually fight your enemies) collapsed Russia's house of cards, he instead only demonstrated why you should never, ever, ever trust a journalist.

Tucker deserved exactly what he got. I hope he pisses off and takes his audience of clapping seals and dimwit boomers with him.

 

[Husky_Khan]

I was searching for YouTube videos on the Battle of Bakhmut and... stumbled upon a goldmine.

Truly a wealth of information.

This guys has correctly predicted the Fall of Bakhmut*... over a dozen times these past four months alone. 🤯

*If and When Bakhmut Falls

 

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

"We are going to own the globalists by stepping into the drama between two utterly irredeemable countries peopled by barbarians who've been murdering each other longer than we've existed as a people in defense of the globalists."

That is a fascinating take.

 

[Bacle]

 

[Aldarion]

A good video on why India is supporting Russia:

 

[lloyd007]

I was searching for YouTube videos on the Battle of Bakhmut and... stumbled upon a goldmine...

Truly a wealth of information.

This guys has correctly predicted the Fall of Bakhmut*... over a dozen times these past four months alone. 🤯

*If and When Bakhmut Falls

While he'll probably be correct eventually... it'll take the end of the war to analyze whether Ukraine turning it into Verdun 2022-2023 was a good idea or throwing too many troops and material into the meatgrinder that Russia likes to fight since they tend to win meatgrinders.

 

[LordsFire]

While he'll probably be correct eventually... it'll take the end of the war to analyze whether Ukraine turning it into Verdun 2022-2023 was a good idea or throwing too many troops and material into the meatgrinder that Russia likes to fight since they tend to win meatgrinders.

More or less. There's a lot of strategic calculus that goes into these things, dependent on so many interlocking factors that unless you're inside the intelligence and command chain of one or both sides, it's almost impossible to know for sure.

Even then, the morale effects can be argued, and likely will be argued by historians.

 

[Bacle]

While he'll probably be correct eventually... it'll take the end of the war to analyze whether Ukraine turning it into Verdun 2022-2023 was a good idea or throwing too many troops and material into the meatgrinder that Russia likes to fight since they tend to win meatgrinders.

More or less. There's a lot of strategic calculus that goes into these things, dependent on so many interlocking factors that unless you're inside the intelligence and command chain of one or both sides, it's almost impossible to know for sure.

Even then, the morale effects can be argued, and likely will be argued by historians.

This is an interview where Commander of Ukraine's Eastern Corp explains why Bakhmut has been held despite the costs involved.

 

[lloyd007]

This is an interview where Commander of Ukraine's Eastern Corp explains why Bakhmut has been held despite the costs involved.

I mean it's obvious the Ukrainians either believe Bakhmut is worth it or aren't going to voice their dissent to the media... at least not yet...

But it will take true 20/20 hindsight to 'know' (as much as one can without Dr. Strange multiverse viewing) if it was actually worth it or if that blood and iron was better spent on defending in front of killing fields like Vulhedar and Avdiivka and using the freed up units in the counter offensive that may or may not have stared... or not... or maybe even it being roughly equal.

 

[Bacle]

I mean it's obvious the Ukrainians either believe Bakhmut is worth it or aren't going to voice their dissent to the media... at least not yet...

But it will take true 20/20 hindsight to 'know' (as much as one can without Dr. Strange multiverse viewing) if it was actually worth it or if that blood and iron was better spent on defending in front of killing fields like Vulhedar and Avdiivka and using the freed up units in the counter offensive that may or may not have stared... or not... or maybe even it being roughly equal.

Bakhmut is the best defensive position in that area, due to defensible highgrounds/hills around it, along with a lot of river frontage and high-rises. Elevation advantage is available in Bakhmut, but not everywhere behind it, and if Ukraine gives up the town, the defensive positions behind them are not really better positioned, even if they are for now more intact.

 

[strunkenwhite]

Ukraine is even more barbaric and primitive than Russia

How do you figure?

 

[Husky_Khan]

How do you figure?

No... Please... We don't need to figure...

 

[Lord Sovereign]

Bakhmut is the best defensive position in that area, due to defensible highgrounds/hills around it, along with a lot of river frontage and high-rises. Elevation advantage is available in Bakhmut, but not everywhere behind it, and if Ukraine gives up the town, the defensive positions behind them are not really better positioned, even if they are for now more intact.

It's also where two rather big roads intersect, so it can be resupplied straightforwardly enough if those highways are kept open.

Verdun 2.0 might actually be a good idea. Russia is gullible enough to think it can win a meat grinder whereas these days it simply cannot. It is not the Russian Empire or Soviet Union anymore; losses, especially for a dispirited army being filled with unwilling recruits, are not so easily replaced.

 

[Aldarion]

You people all say this shit: "it's all propaganda on both sides lmao nothing matters" and then go right on to regurgitate fucking propaganda from one side and not the other; such as you, whinging about Our Military Complaining About Not Having Enough Money. When's the last fucking time the US Military had a press release saying "we have enough money no need to give us any more?" Even the most basic, commonplace and widely-recognized bullshit is quoted as gospel fucking truth by you ever-credulous clowns.

If memory serves me, some branches of the US military had been asking for less money... at least until this crap in Ukraine started happening.

EDIT:

How do you figure?

They're both Orthodox countries, so "barbaric and primitive" would be kinda default mode for them, from what I see of Orthodox countries... though I do wonder if I'm mistaken here and it is just Balkans still being raped by Ottoman cultural legacy...

 

[Zachowon]

If memory serves me, some branches of the US military had been asking for less money... at least until this crap in Ukraine started happening.

EDIT:

They're both Orthodox countries, so "barbaric and primitive" would be kinda default mode for them, from what I see of Orthodox countries... though I do wonder if I'm mistaken here and it is just Balkans still being raped by Ottoman cultural legacy...

Uh what? We havnt been asking for less money