Armchair General's DonbAss Derailed Discussion Thread (Topics Include History, Traps, and the Ongoing Slavic Civil War plus much much more)

[King Arts]

I didn't see that anywhere in the doc's I saw; was more like a 1:2 kill ration for Ukraine, or at least a general casualty exchange rate of that sort. Definitely didn't see any 7:1 ratio for anything in it.

I think part of it is Ukraine is able to save a lot of their wounded and get some of them back in action thanks to western medical tech, where as most wounded Russian's expire or are permanently disabled when wounded.

The only way I believe the 7:1 is if Ukrainian civie casualties are added it; then I could see it being 7:1, because of how many strikes on civie targets the Russians have carried out.

Yeah, this.

If Ukraine was actually losing troops at a 7:1 ration to Russia, Russia wouldn't be struggling like they have been shown.

This was my first thought too. The Russians are bad at war they are weaklings that need numbers to actually win a fight.

 

[Husky_Khan]

Here's one of the ratio sources. As usual it was applied to a specific portion of one battle and smooth brained individuals decided to apply it to the entire conflict when a minimum of familiarity would've deduced the obvious.



It's similar to how pro-Russisn accounts have repeatedly based the 5 to 1 losses on a single quote from a Washington Post article where they interviewed a tank Platoon commander.

It's not confusing in the least. It's smooth brains making it confusing because they revel in being analysts and applying whatever sources they want into filling in their expectations instead of just playing War Thunder.

 

[Zachowon]

You have to understand the strength and trust of the sources

 

[Agent23]

You have to understand the strength and trust of the sources

Yup. 😂

 

[Husky_Khan]

You have to understand the strength and trust of the sources

It's more of a case of smooth brains interpreting sources. People from both sides will take in whatever evidence they want regardless of source and regurgitate it, whether it's applying a 5 to 1 casualty ratio from a quoted Platoon commander in a WaPo article from September to overall performance in the entire war to quoting an estimation of an inverse 5 to 1 casualty ratio cited during earlier fighting in Bakhmut to the entire war as well.

Then other people read this "analysis" and go "Hurr durr. I have no sense of gradience. I don't know who to believe! I can't trust anything at all!"

 

[Carrot of Truth]

This I have to disagree with. This argument is either sjwism or cultural chavunism. Why apply this to dogs but not pigs? Muslims will call you a backwards dog fucking savage and remind you that pigs eat their own poop. Your argument is not based on logic, if a practice is truly bad for society then it will either end the society or the society will stop doing it.

Muslim countries are all shitholes

 

[King Arts]

Muslim countries are all shitholes

I can think of quite a few shitty Western nations that are worse than wealthy Muslim nations. Dubai, the UAE, and even Saudi Arabia. They are better than shitholes like Sweden or the UK. You don't have to worry about getting attacked by packs of wild hooligans as the law is actually effective there.

Other examples you could point too like Iraq that are shitty are shitty because idiots in the west made them shitty.

 

[TheRejectionist]

I can agree that killing of a puppy is wrong, even in a famine but you have to either loose sanity and/or soul or starve to death.

 

[Husky_Khan]

I just find it telling that we have an account for animal torture and abuse for apparent entertainment value and the counter argument isn't:
"Oh this is an exception."
"This doesn't reflect Russia."
"Stress of War Induced this Reaction."

It's
"Who cares about animals?"
"You think animal torture is only bad when Russians do it."
"Fox Hunts are things you know!"
"Chinese people eat dogs!"
" You sound like PETA."
"A Mutt bit me once!"

So basically embracing sociopathic arguments to justify and explain the behavior instead of you know, normal sane empathic counter arguments. Can only wonder why that is...

 

[The Whispering Monk]

The action certainly reflect the Wagner Mercs' values. Which are heavily supported by Russia..and arguably just another branch of the Russian military.

 

[TheRejectionist]

The action certainly reflect the Wagner Mercs' values. Which are heavily supported by Russia..and arguably just another branch of the Russian military.

They are just the Russian version of the American Constellis. Unlike them, Wagner doesn't have multiple PR department covering their bullshit and crimes, many of which were under done so by orders from the US government.

 

[Husky_Khan]

They are just the Russian version of the American Constellis. Unlike them, Wagner doesn't have multiple PR department covering their bullshit and crimes, many of which were under done so by orders from the US government.

Have you seen what they do on Fox Hunts? This is just frat behavior. At least the PMCs ain't diversity hires. You sound like Human Rights Watch lol.

 

[TheRejectionist]

Have you seen what they do on Fox Hunts? This is just frat behavior. At least the PMCs ain't diversity hires. You sound like Human Rights Watch lol.

Not fox hunts but I have seen family members in Brazil hunt pretty much all animals tha would invade their property or were a potential threat to them or other neighbors in the farmlands/what I call wildlands.

On the topic of human rights watch, no I was making a comparison between Wagner (a PMC group) with Constellis (another PMC group).

 

[Husky_Khan]

Looks like the Russians just captured a Leopard 2 Tank. They literally just arrived in country.

 

[lloyd007]

Looks like the Russians just captured a Leopard 2 Tank. They literally just arrived in country.

I'm sure it's right next to the 107,391th destroyed HIMARS.

 

[Bacle]

 

[TheRejectionist]

 

[Marduk]

Who even still takes Medvedev with his mad theories of western imperialism seriously?
Anyone who does is a clown like Medvedev for sure though.

 

[Zachowon]

NATO is a defensive alliance.
The invasion of Ukraine forced Finland to join NATO.

 

[TheRejectionist]

NATO is a defensive alliance.
The invasion of Ukraine forced Finland to join NATO.

NATO is defensive as much as Iraq had WMDs.