Armchair General's DonbAss Derailed Discussion Thread (Topics Include History, Traps, and the Ongoing Slavic Civil War plus much much more)

[Marduk]

It's quite interesting: Russians claim to want to create their own unique and separate civilizational space because the alternative to this would be them becoming a part of the Greater American Empire (GAE) and thus Russians becoming GAE-Lords (pronounced "gaylords"),

Arrogant and ambitious to the point of insanity - Muscovites in a nutshell.
They have a little economic power (a bit more than Saudi Arabia), microscopic amount of soft power, and some military power that used to be their point of pride which they are bleeding recently (which they convinced everyone including themselves is more than a house of rust under a coat of nice paint).
They don't even belong in a "clash of civilizations" league with that sort of assets.

but would they really prefer to be first servants to Winnie the Pooh instead?

It sounds terrible to westerners, but for Russians, it's a minor difference. They are already serfs of the silovki mafia, what difference does it make to them whether their boss also has a boss or not.

 

[Zachowon]

I need to point out that the US knows what our adversaries are capable of and often overestimate to get more funding.

 

[History Learner]

Sod off with your silly games again. I don't know where did you delusionally read that point, but if you can't even repeat it, guess it's not there.
Yes, sure, Navy wants money for own hypersonics even if it's not a pressing need, that is a given. Great discovery there.

I read it in the article I already cited, if perhaps you took the time to read it instead of arguing with your better on something you don't understand, you'd realize that. From the article itself:

Kendall noted that while the U.S. military has focused funds on Iraq and Afghanistan, it has taken its eye off the ball in terms of hypersonic weapons. "This isn't saying we've done nothing, but we haven't done enough," he said.​

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As the Pentagon enters the 2023 annual budget cycle, Kendall hopes to raise funds with the retirement of older and expensive-to-maintain systems in favor of new systems, including hypersonic development programs.​

That you can't differentiate between the U.S. Navy and the Pentagon is, as usual, telling of your lack of intelligence.

Yes, i do copy childish snaps from a master, i have better things to do than create originals.

Yet, you have the time to jump into this debate without me even quoting you, so cope a little harder dear. In truth, I'm just superior to you and that gets under your skin, it's why you feel compelled to respond. I cut through all your bullshit and expose just how inferior your intellect is, and that utterly blows through your carefully constructed persona. I'm not fooled, but I am amused.

If only the random articles you have linked had actual CEP data
This is what you are looking for:

https://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/508m-for-gmlrs-smart-rockets-0765/

Yes, that was the easier one to find. Russian one, probably not something to brag about, so it's not so easy.

Given you asked me about the performance of the Russian MLRS systems, why would I cite data on American systems? Are you really so dull you can't even tell the difference between them? As for the comparison, go find pull the data on the SMERCH system (it's accuracy is 200 m CEP, I'll save you the trouble) and then do the math on what it means for Tornado to have a 20 times improvement on that.

After you figure that out, do come back and apologize.

Fuck off with the Krasnopol. An article you have yourself linked earlier has stated that it's similar same first generation guided munition to the Copperhead from the 80's, also reminding you of its existence, and difference between laser and GPS guidance.

Explained: Russia Is Developing a Super Optically-Guided Artillery Shell

Can America compete?

nationalinterest.org

Speaking of, the wikipedia article about Krasnopol is its own kind of fun.

Super hi tech Russian weaponry that USA is totally lagging behind, refused by India, replaced by US technology

Hence why the Russians upgraded Krasnopol since then and have a new system entirely; are you really that slow you lost track of what you were arguing?

WTF? I've asked about SLBM tubes... Since when do SSNs have SLBM tubes? That's something only SSBNs have by definition. Randomly linking articles you don't understand doesn't help your case, yet you can't do something as simple as check what how many launch tubes do all 3 Russian SSBN classes in active service have, and compare them to the Ohio class.

This is the first time you've specified you meant Boomers, I asked you twice, so please don't pretend otherwise. Pretty clearly either your little brain was struggling or you've attempted a goalpost shift you clearly are not intellectually capable of pulling off. Specific to the question: Borlei and the Delta IV have 16 tubes. Difference is, and to what the point was in this conversation when you jumped in, only Borlei is 170 meters to match the Ohio. The reason for the lower tubes is because the Borlei has six torpedo tubes and some other design choices as compared to the Ohio, which only has four torpedo tubes.

 

[History Learner]

Man you don't understand how the US MIC works do ya?
We overestimate our enemies to get more funding for projects. Always have.

Just look at our response to the MIG 25.

Which probably explains why we keep loosing to guys in pajamas with AKs, doesn't?

Again, show me the Tornado has better range and accuracy in performance not just on paper.

So, given I'm not Russian with access to a Tornado, how exactly am I supposed to do that? Matter of fact, prove to me HIMARs isn't shit.

Because HIMARs has a 5m CEP and that is with the M30.

With the M30 is a good distinction, because without it goes up to 10 CEP, which is exactly why the Indians testing Tornado found was its CEP. It also out ranges HIMARs and is more mobile than it.

The ATACMs outranges everything but the SRBMs. And is more mobile then them.

Is that why all of the Russian cruise missiles, such as Kaliber, significantly outrange it?

Arguing capabilities of the Russians with me is the stupidest thing

Only because you're outright lying, yes.

Because I know what they are actually capable of and how they always seem great on paper. The Tornado has not been super unstoppable at all and is not better then a HIMARs.

"Just trust me bro", yeah nah and HIMARs has failed by your own logic:

If it was, the Ukrainians would be out of HIMARS.

Given they did, in fact, start to run out what does that mean?

I am saying where are they? If they exist why arnt they mass produced and being used against Ukraine?
Where are the unstoppable T-14s? Why arnt they rolling through Kiev by now?

Where are the F-22s and F-35s? If they exist, why aren't they mass produced and being used against Russia? Where are the unstoppable Abrams? Why aren't they in Donetsk by now? Same logic.

Ah yes, it is forgetting the JASSM, the AGM-86, the Tomahawk, and the Trident and Minuteman missles.

None of which are ground based.

 

[Jormungandr]

You keep saying this as if anybody gives a fuck that the Russians fired a few SRBMs from a plane instead of the ground.



Completely unsourced claim. In related news, your mother is a whore. Checkmate, retard.




uh...



You literally proved yourself wrong with the link you put in your own fucking post:



They didn't even know they were being tailed when they were operating the "first generation" subs, and once the Walker spy ring clued them in, they still had to wait till they had/developed SLBMs with long enough ranges to strike from their own coastal waters. As soon as they could put them in bastions, they did.

Being stupid is one thing, but being fucking illiterate is a whole new ballgame. Holy shit.



Hold that thought for a second, if your peabrain can manage that feat.



I see you missed the part where I specified the US can do it halfway across the fucking world. I've seen some fucking morons in my time but someone who gets arrogant because they literally cannot read the text on the screen in front of their face is a new level of retard.



Neither was the United States and USSR at war, and yet, the US kept it a secret that they were trailing Russian boomers, hence the Russians only finding out about it from the Walker Spy Ring. Wow! It's almost like nations keep secrets from their potential war enemies as well as ones they are actively at war with!

Also, that has to be the single stupidest fucking thing you've said to-date, which is kind of amazing.



You didn't provide a link to the source of that quote, but something tells me it wasn't written by "the Pentagon." Just a hunch.



I literally laughed out loud. You can't pay for this kind of comedy.



So Navy officials in the Pentagon are spreading stories to get more funding for the Navy? How is this in any fucking way different?



The single biggest indicator of how low your IQ is, is that you take journalists at face value. Fractional Orbital Bombardment has its own fucking wikipedia article; the idea has been around for fucking decades. "Defy the law of physics" my fucking ass.

It's the quality that truly elevates you past the usual dull shit-for-brains you find on the internet - the ones who aren't entertaining in their stupidity, spewing LSD-fever dream claims then doing increasingly hilarious backflips to try and escape being cornered, but are rather just illiterates who oblige people to re-explain their posts to them three times in the vain hope that once the monkey understands the argument, it might at least attempt to fling shit at it. You do this, sure, but then you parrot other dull shit-for-brains, and not just any fuckwits, but the ones we have already grown a bone-deep weariness of hearing from; dumbfuck journalists. Even your attempts at sass are remarkable in how pissweak they are; like most leftist shitheels you try to use troll terminology that's embarrassingly out of date, but instead of the usual lackluster cringe of "snowflake" you try for condescending, which makes it the cherry on top of the wet squalid fart of sundae that your illiterate abortions of "argument" amount to. In every single way you're like some kind of fucked-up Escher painting; someone who has transcended dull and ascended to become the perfect embodiment of the very concept of a dull fuckwit. Like a black hole; you're nothing but painful to look at but so mysteriously, intensely boring that people can't look away from you. If EVE Online was a human being, you'd be it. It's fucking staggering.

I worry, sometimes. I worry because you're out there, somewhere, in the real world. Will I fall under your gaze one day, as I pass through the supermarket checkout line you're bagging for? Will I one day have to experience your vacant gaze drifting over me, hear the resting fatbreath wheeze whistling past your piggy lips as you put your greasy fingers on every single item of food I had planned to eat?

Fucking horrifying.

I agree that he has no idea what he's talking about, but as much of an idiot he is, personal attacks aren't cool.

That being said, @History Learner Bruh, you have zero clue what you're talking about. I've been reading this topic per post, and you not only don't read your own sources that often contradict what you're trying to prove, you're all over the fucking place.

Just... stop digging yourself a bigger hole. smh

 

[planefag]

I agree that he has no idea what he's talking about, but as much of an idiot he is, personal attacks aren't cool.

No, they're fucking necessary. Do you not understand that this knuckle-dragging ape thinks he's fucking people? He THINKS HE'S PEOPLE!

None of which are ground based.

He thinks the Minuteman isn't ground-based. The silo-based missile isn't ground based. Do you understand what I'm saying? This thing thinks he's people!

 

[Jormungandr]

No, they're fucking necessary. Do you not understand that this knuckle-dragging ape thinks he's fucking people? He THINKS HE'S PEOPLE!

Call him an idiot all you want, but at least be civil about it.

 

[planefag]

Call him an idiot all you want, but at least be civil about it.

No

 

[History Learner]

You keep saying this as if anybody gives a fuck that the Russians fired a few SRBMs from a plane instead of the ground.

You keep saying this to hide the fact you're goalpost shifting from your claim they don't have advanced capabilities, that we don't have operational. Could you at least try to give me a challenge?

Completely unsourced claim. In related news, your mother is a whore. Checkmate, retard.

Except for the fact I've already linked it in others, which you liked (I checked to make sure), so would you like to try to lie again or are you really this stupid? The seething I absolutely love, because it shows you're starting to realize how lacking you are compared to me.

uh...

You literally proved yourself wrong with the link you put in your own fucking post:

They didn't even know they were being tailed when they were operating the "first generation" subs, and once the Walker spy ring clued them in, they still had to wait till they had/developed SLBMs with long enough ranges to strike from their own coastal waters. As soon as they could put them in bastions, they did.

Being stupid is one thing, but being fucking illiterate is a whole new ballgame. Holy shit.

I know you are, being charitable here, slow or "special", but please do try to at least keep up with what you're arguing with your betters about. I never made that claim, because that wasn't the argument and you seem to have realized this until now:

Because they literally didn't have the range to hit CONUS from Russian coastal waters until the mid-70s, shitwit.

So, please do explain to us how the Soviets had to wait to develop long enough strike ranges given you've already conceded they had that capability for over a decade by the time of the Walker Spy Ring in the 1980s? I know you're slow, but in what world is the mid 70s after the early 1980s? Specific to what the argument actually is, you'll recall originally saying the Soviets had to pull all of their submarines back to bastion areas, which was the point of contention. If you're conceding they didn't pull back their first gen submarines, then that proves exactly the original point I made.

Hold that thought for a second, if your peabrain can manage that feat.

Yes, I'm certainly starting to think peabrain is a bit charitable for you. Your seething certainly, however, makes this worth dealing with how utterly dull your capabilities are. Do better, sweetie.

I see you missed the part where I specified the US can do it halfway across the fucking world. I've seen some fucking morons in my time but someone who gets arrogant because they literally cannot read the text on the screen in front of their face is a new level of retard.

Yes, this is certainly proof of how utterly lacking you are and the continued seething continues to prove my point, given it's just a pretty obvious effort to deflect from that. If you are able to recall what you originally said:

You have to remember that the Russians were so helpless against our attack subs that they pulled their boomers back to near-shore "bastions" where they could protect them with airpower and surface ships, and despite all those very, very competent ASW assets guarding them we still were routinely infiltrating said bastions with our own SSN's to trail their boomer subs.

Pretty clearly, you consider the existence of Soviet bastion areas a sign of weakness, which was the point I was making by pointing by bringing up the U.S. is now doing it; where they are is irrelevant because that means, by your own logic, their own surface ASW assets are not up to the task of defending their boats. That was the crux of my argument and it's why you've immediately shifted into this goalpost of location; location doesn't effect whether U.S. destroyers aren't up to the task. That you are able to consider the nuance there for the U.S. but not for the Soviets was the secondary point, in that it's just shows your complete lack of analytical capabilities.

Neither was the United States and USSR at war, and yet, the US kept it a secret that they were trailing Russian boomers, hence the Russians only finding out about it from the Walker Spy Ring. Wow! It's almost like nations keep secrets from their potential war enemies as well as ones they are actively at war with!

Specifically, though, if you had bothered to read the text on your screen, you would realize the 2006 and 2015 incidents had political connotations on the part of the Chinese; they were demonstrating they could do so as a threat in response to U.S. actions elsewhere.

Also, that has to be the single stupidest fucking thing you've said to-date, which is kind of amazing.

Seethe harder lol.

You didn't provide a link to the source of that quote, but something tells me it wasn't written by "the Pentagon." Just a hunch.

Except it was, from another link.

I literally laughed out loud. You can't pay for this kind of comedy.

All I got out of this is inability to actually respond, do better.

So Navy officials in the Pentagon are spreading stories to get more funding for the Navy? How is this in any fucking way different?

So, first, thanks for admitting you were wrong about the local Admiral part. Second, are we now saying Pentagon and U.S. defense officials are unreliable? Really takes the winds out of your sail for everything you've said in this thread, huh?

The single biggest indicator of how low your IQ is, is that you take journalists at face value. Fractional Orbital Bombardment has its own fucking wikipedia article; the idea has been around for fucking decades. "Defy the law of physics" my fucking ass.

I continue to be amazed at your lack of reading capabilities:

Nuclear weapons analyst Dr. Jeffrey Lewis, director of the East Asia Nonproliferation Program at the James Martin Center for Nonproliferation Studies in California, urged perspective and caution following the recent developments.​

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"We should be open to the reality that China is also capable of technological innovation," he was quoted as telling the FT.​

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"But I would be careful about exaggerated characterizations that may help excuse a mundane intelligence failure. If we say some innovation is impossible to imagine, then no one is really responsible for missing it," he added.​

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So, Jeffery Lewis is now a journalist? Very funny, of course, but equally funny is how little you apparently know about what the Chinese tests showed and the Pentagon response was:

“I think the words that we use are important, so that we understand exactly what we’re talking about here. I hear things like hypersonic missile, and I hear suborbital sometimes,” Lt. Gen. Chance (Salty) Saltzman, deputy Space Force chief for operations, told the Mitchell Institute. It is neither of those things, he stressed.​

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“This is a categorically different system, because a fractional orbit is different than suborbital. A fractional orbit means it can stay on orbit as long as the user determines and then it de-orbits it as a part of the flight path.”​

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Further, he added, it is a “very forward-edge technology capability” that Space Force quickly must figure out how to deter.​

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Air Force Secretary Frank Kendall first suggested that the test involved a FOBS in late September during the Air Force Association’s annual trade show. A FOBS uses a rocket to boost its payload into Low Earth Orbit, which subsequently de-orbits through the atmosphere to its terrestrial target.​

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The Soviet Union actually deployed a nuclear-weapons-carrying FOBS from 1969 to 1983. The Chinese system is different, however, because it de-orbited a highly maneuverable hypersonic glide vehicle (HGV).​

It's the quality that truly elevates you past the usual dull shit-for-brains you find on the internet - the ones who aren't entertaining in their stupidity, spewing LSD-fever dream claims then doing increasingly hilarious backflips to try and escape being cornered, but are rather just illiterates who oblige people to re-explain their posts to them three times in the vain hope that once the monkey understands the argument, it might at least attempt to fling shit at it. You do this, sure, but then you parrot other dull shit-for-brains, and not just any fuckwits, but the ones we have already grown a bone-deep weariness of hearing from; dumbfuck journalists. Even your attempts at sass are remarkable in how pissweak they are; like most leftist shitheels you try to use troll terminology that's embarrassingly out of date, but instead of the usual lackluster cringe of "snowflake" you try for condescending, which makes it the cherry on top of the wet squalid fart of sundae that your illiterate abortions of "argument" amount to. In every single way you're like some kind of fucked-up Escher painting; someone who has transcended dull and ascended to become the perfect embodiment of the very concept of a dull fuckwit. Like a black hole; you're nothing but painful to look at but so mysteriously, intensely boring that people can't look away from you. If EVE Online was a human being, you'd be it. It's fucking staggering.

I worry, sometimes. I worry because you're out there, somewhere, in the real world. Will I fall under your gaze one day, as I pass through the supermarket checkout line you're bagging for? Will I one day have to experience your vacant gaze drifting over me, hear the resting fatbreath wheeze whistling past your piggy lips as you put your greasy fingers on every single item of food I had planned to eat?

Fucking horrifying.

I continue to be amazed at just how easily I live in your head rent free and the amount of seething I induce is simply beautiful. Please, do continue to have your very obvious mental breakdown, because I find it absolutely hilarious.

 

[History Learner]

I agree that he has no idea what he's talking about, but as much of an idiot he is, personal attacks aren't cool.

That being said, @History Learner Bruh, you have zero clue what you're talking about. I've been reading this topic per post, and you not only don't read your own sources that often contradict what you're trying to prove, you're all over the fucking place.

Just... stop digging yourself a bigger hole. smh

Because I'm not wrong and I simply know more on the subject than all of my opponents, it really is that simple. All of my sources have precisely proved everything I've said when quoting them, and that's why @planefag is having the mental breakdown he is; he knows I'm right and it's utterly infuriating to him, among others in this thread, that I am. It's why he has to, for example, focus in on the fact that in a list of six different missiles systems, I got one wrong instead of actually replying to the sum total of my argument.

 

[Marduk]

I read it in the article I already cited, if perhaps you took the time to read it instead of arguing with your better on something you don't understand, you'd realize that. From the article itself:

Kendall noted that while the U.S. military has focused funds on Iraq and Afghanistan, it has taken its eye off the ball in terms of hypersonic weapons. "This isn't saying we've done nothing, but we haven't done enough," he said.​

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As the Pentagon enters the 2023 annual budget cycle, Kendall hopes to raise funds with the retirement of older and expensive-to-maintain systems in favor of new systems, including hypersonic development programs.​

That you can't differentiate between the U.S. Navy and the Pentagon is, as usual, telling of your lack of intelligence.

Stop huffing your own farts (you are a "better" to a dead worm at most be realistic) abd start thinking.
Just because they are eyeing the funding that used to be showered at logistical contractors dealing with AF (rather than, budget forbid, have it slashed as no longer needed) doesn't mean you are right.

Yet, you have the time to jump into this debate without me even quoting you, so cope a little harder dear. In truth, I'm just superior to you and that gets under your skin, it's why you feel compelled to respond. I cut through all your bullshit and expose just how inferior your intellect is, and that utterly blows through your carefully constructed persona. I'm not fooled, but I am amused.

Because you are a fucking moron and i'm trying to help you realize that using your utterly ridiculous Dunning-Kruger level misunderstanding of military technology. As you are demonstrating here, you're not making much progress.

Given you asked me about the performance of the Russian MLRS systems, why would I cite data on American systems?

Because how are you going to compare the two while knowing the performance of only one, and you have quoted performance data without CEP, so i had to show you what it looks like?
Who were you supposed to be superior to? Algae? Single cell organisms? Dust particles?
Having my doubts there.

Are you really so dull you can't even tell the difference between them? As for the comparison, go find pull the data on the SMERCH system (it's accuracy is 200 m CEP, I'll save you the trouble) and then do the math on what it means for Tornado to have a 20 times improvement on that.

Source: Trust me bro.
No, i won't.

After you figure that out, do come back and apologize.

You apologize to my ass for wasting its time, lol.

Hence why the Russians upgraded Krasnopol since then and have a new system entirely; are you really that slow you lost track of what you were arguing?

>upgraded Krasnopol since then and have a new system entirely
Did you overdose on copium lately?
That makes no fucking sense, either they have upgraded an old system or have an entirely new one. Also it's still laser guided with all the limitations of that you kek.

This is the first time you've specified you meant Boomers, I asked you twice, so please don't pretend otherwise.

I've specified "ships with SLBM tubes" the first time, what the fuck did you think that meant? How slow on the uptake can you be? Are you a chatbot? That would explain a lot.

Pretty clearly either your little brain was struggling or you've attempted a goalpost shift you clearly are not intellectually capable of pulling off. Specific to the question: Borlei and the Delta IV have 16 tubes. Difference is, and to what the point was in this conversation when you jumped in, only Borlei is 170 meters to match the Ohio.

Finally, we are where we started.
So, i wanted to just mock you for your crazy cope argument about the torpedo tubes.
First off, torpedo tube number are not important for boomers, because using them is not their main mission, they are more of a self defense weapon for them.

The reason for the lower tubes is because the Borlei has six torpedo tubes and some other design choices as compared to the Ohio, which only has four torpedo tubes.

It has 8 less missile tubes meant to carry 30 or so ton ballistic missiles because... it has 2 more tubes for 2 ton torpedos? How much fucking copium do you need to come up with this shit? How aren't you ashamed for writing something so obviously dumb? You realize that this will be thrown back at you for the rest of your stay on the forum?

 

[ATP]

Except for most of the Cold War in general and, most recently, hypersonic weapons and artillery (both tube and MLRS).



Not really sure how that relates to what I posted, but you do realize our SSBN classes are the same size, right?

1.Hypersonic -\1.Avangard - kgbstan made 2 till 2020,both need SS19 as first stage.Which is not produced anymore.
2.Cyrkon - they never show them in action,only stationary.So,probably do not exist
3.Kindzał - it is just Iskander fired from air.

Artillery - kgbstan artillery is now defeated by 38 HIMARS and about 100 KRAB 155mm.So,no?

P.S of course,they are kgb.So,it could be scheme to look weak and take entire Earth,or at least Europe in one attack.Not impossible.

 

[Husky_Khan]

For your daily Mobilization Funny, here's some spoiled Mobiks demanding sleeping bags.



In more substantial developments, the Russian Community is coming together to offer the Russian Mobiks the Training they need! A thread from ChrisO on how Russian activists, some allegedly Neo-Nazis, are organizing these training missions via Telegram and other social media since the Russian military is incapable of offering even the most basic training on any consistent basis.

He thinks the Minuteman isn't ground-based. The silo-based missile isn't ground based. Do you understand what I'm saying? This thing thinks he's people!

It's a cute little rhetorical trick. The original claim was that the US/NATO has superior guided munitions and referenced Excalibur ammunition and GMLRS and ATACAMS and so he posted a response with a graph showing ground based weapon systems exclusively up to and including ballistic missiles and now wants to compare cruise missiles and ballistic missiles to guided artillery rockets because the US/NATO using air launched or navy launched weapons like cruise missiles is cheating the arbitrary parameters he set up.

 

[Zachowon]

Which probably explains why we keep loosing to guys in pajamas with AKs, doesn't?



So, given I'm not Russian with access to a Tornado, how exactly am I supposed to do that? Matter of fact, prove to me HIMARs isn't shit.



With the M30 is a good distinction, because without it goes up to 10 CEP, which is exactly why the Indians testing Tornado found was its CEP. It also out ranges HIMARs and is more mobile than it.



Is that why all of the Russian cruise missiles, such as Kaliber, significantly outrange it?



Only because you're outright lying, yes.



"Just trust me bro", yeah nah and HIMARs has failed by your own logic:





Given they did, in fact, start to run out what does that mean?


Where are the F-22s and F-35s? If they exist, why aren't they mass produced and being used against Russia? Where are the unstoppable Abrams? Why aren't they in Donetsk by now? Same logic.


None of which are ground based.

I mean, if you mean lose on the level of your government forces you to leave why did the Russians also lose to a bunch of guys with AKs and pajamas?
We didn't lose. We were forced to stop and not chase them into Pakistan. We kicked thier butts everytime they chose to fight us.

You domt have to be Russian. Russia exports ot right? I'm sure you could find a source saying what it is capable of. Or you can figure out by current proformance in Ukraine at how useless they have been.

Uh, what? 10m CEP oh wow so big.
Every single Russian one has a much bigger.
And it becomes 10m because it is a cluster round outside of the M30 or ATACMS. So of fucking course it will he bigger.


You mean air and sea launched cruise missles Similar to thT of the Tomahawk?

Dude, I am literally going off of what Jane's and other sources say about these systems. I will head out to my library and grab my big book of Jane's that has all but the Tornado because of how new it is. My books are from the 80s....


Uh.... I like how you take Russian claims. Here read what Russians have said about it as well. If HIMARS wernt so effective then why are the Russians snd visible damage say otherwise?

They are running out of missles because they have used so many to fuck over the ruskies. They have all thier launchers. They have yet to lose a single one.
Which shouldn't be possible. They should be wiped out like their AF because of how advanced Russian equipment is...


F-35 is mass produced. Heavily mass produced. Like is being exported to nearly all of NATO. And because training someone on a missle system is easier then training them on a plane.
Unlike Eussia, NATO is not directly invovled and these systems arnt needed. Ukraine is doing great on its own in tank combat. You are trying to argue "Why are NATOs best equipment not here then? Russia obviously is saving thier limited in number only a dozen or so prices of equipment for when NATO arrives!"
It's stupid.

Minuteman III are ground based.
And have longer range then anything the Russians have even thier Silo launched

 

[ATP]

No

Stupid people are still humans,Jesus sied for them,too.

Back to topic -
Marek budzisz in his book "Wszystko jest wojną/everything is war/ from 2021 describet Moscov doctrine:
1.For them everything is war,diplomacy and economy,too - and they arleady considered themselves at war with USA in 2021.
2.They also knew their weakness - so,they wanted to stay as mediator between China and West,becouse bigger war would made them China vassal.
3.All they wanted for now was Belaruss and Kazachstan,they planned to take over without open hstilities,and,if there would be war,they planned to end it in 30 days.
4.Their new technologies like Su57,T.15,hipersonic missiles,are still prototypes,and it is unclear if they could mass produce it or not.
5.They belived in fall of Europe - AND,THEN THEY PLANNED TO GRAB AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.

6.They/Władislaw Surkow,putin ideolog/ belived in "głubinnyj narod" - russians as kind of mass which could be beaten by rulers,as long as they are strong and could show that other countriess fear Moscov.
For Surkow,it is good thing.

Well,we have one problem - Moscov have good theories what to do,AND THEY FUCKED THEM ALL DURING CURRENT WAR !
WHY?WHY? WHERE IS SUPER KGB FROM TIMES WHEN I WAS STILL YOUNG?

Well,they must have super plan to take over Earth,after they lost their army on Ukraine.It is gambit!

 

[Sailor.X]

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[WolfBear]

Putin's Russia Will Never Be a Democracy

archived 30 Oct 2022 14:52:56 UTC

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[ATP]

Putin's Russia Will Never Be a Democracy

archived 30 Oct 2022 14:52:56 UTC

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Władisław Surkow,Putin ideolog ,explain it with "Glubinnyj narod" - theory,that russian do not want govern themselves,but be ruled with iron fist,and are happy with that,as long as their tsar is powerfull and other countries fear him.
When tsar become weak,his loyal dogs eat him.

 

[WolfBear]

Władisław Surkow,Putin ideolog ,explain it with "Glubinnyj narod" - theory,that russian do not want govern themselves,but be ruled with iron fist,and are happy with that,as long as their tsar is powerfull and other countries fear him.
When tsar become weak,his loyal dogs eat him.

Russians would be better-served having a Polish Tsar, frankly! Then we can have a mega-Intermarium from the Oder to Vladivostok!

 

[ATP]

Russians would be better-served having a Polish Tsar, frankly! Then we can have a mega-Intermarium from the Oder to Vladivostok!

God,no! we do not need to share our state withe people who do not want to be free.
We have enough poles who are just like that.No need for russians to add.