Armchair General's DonbAss Derailed Discussion Thread (Topics Include History, Traps, and the Ongoing Slavic Civil War plus much much more)
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Russia removes bones of 18th-century commander revered by Putin from occupied Ukrainian city | CNN
Pro-Russian officials say they have removed the bones of famed 18th century Russian commander Grigory Potemkin from the occupied Ukrainian city of Kherson.
www.cnn.com
Anatoly Karlin (@powerfultakes)
Continental union comparable to India in total VC funding presumes to offer its unsolicited regulatory services.One thing that makes me happy is that regardless of final outcomes in Ukraine, Europe will remain a loser continent.
nitter.1d4.us
TBH, I'm not really sure that it's appropriate for a Russian to be calling Europe a loser continent since his own country is a loser country in comparison to Europe, which at least still produces much more elite science than Russia does.
Russia is a giant country that has Short Man Complex. Russia just can't seem to get right in the head no matter how hard they try.
Anatoly Karlin (@powerfultakes)
Continental union comparable to India in total VC funding presumes to offer its unsolicited regulatory services.One thing that makes me happy is that regardless of final outcomes in Ukraine, Europe will remain a loser continent.
TBH, I'm not really sure that it's appropriate for a Russian to be calling Europe a loser continent since his own country is a loser country in comparison to Europe, which at least still produces much more elite science than Russia does.
History Learner
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Except for the multiple combat uses in Ukraine the Pentagon itself confirmed and the Pentagon itself conceding the Russians and Chinese are both far ahead in this category.
Well I can't know that which you are literally making up, given the Tornado has better range and matches us in accuracy. Seems to be a reoccurring theme of you lying here, which is telling.
There's something deeply funny about you asking where their systems are and then admitting they exist, as it just continues to show how right I am on this.
What an odd thing to say, because it is a lie:
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History Learner
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Worth remembering why we can ignore History Learner. "Kyiv is about to fall, and the Russians will encircle all Ukrainian forces in the east." becomes "Kyiv was a feint, and the forces in the east are nearly surrounded!" Pretty sure in a later post I CBF to find he went the same "Russia didn't want to encircle them, they're making it into a grinding match to kill as many Ukrainians as they can!" we heard from other idiots. Mixed with all the other cope. Russia are fighting with one hand behind their back to test themselves, and trying to limit civilian casualties? How well does that hold up 8 months and countless murdered children and mass graves later?
What's deeply funny about this is that I got all but the Kharkov and Kiev stuff right, and the reason you can find that latter post is because it doesn't exist. You can't actually argue with anything I say, so you're forced to focus on the two things I said I got wrong. Meanwhile you and your ilk were predicting Kherson would fall in April and the Russians wouldn't clear Lughansk.
History Learner
Well-known member
So I guess we can add inability to read to your lackings?
Thank you for proving my point with your inability to do anything but parrot what I said.
Read all about it here, CEP is comparable to HIMARs. For someone who claims I'm the stupidest in the thread, it's amazing how much I'm having to hold your hand, isn't?
Meanwhile Excalibur was brought into service because the Russians had Krasnopol before it, and is and was used by multiple nations. Given the Russians are already on their second generation, would you like to try again?
So, again, which do you refer? I get the tough guy act is coming from a place of lacking, but I've already pointed out the Borlei Class in terms of SSBMs. SSNs? I posted the article for that already too.
History Learner
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That's a fascinating goalpost shift, pretty explicitly done done to hide the fact you got called out for lying in your original post:
So if they were still stationing first generation Boomers off the coast of America, pretty clear indication they weren't that helpless and had to pull them back to Bastions, no? Thanks for conceding that point after all.
Given the USSR stopped existing and funding got slashed by 60%, yeah, it makes sense. What doesn't make sense is that NATO doesn't have that excuse to explain away how the Russians keep doing it to do them with their new submarines.
Once again, what a fascinating goalpost shift from your original point:
Truly fascinating how you avoid the cognitive dissonance of saying the Soviets doing exactly this is a weakness but somehow the U.S. doing it magically makes it into a strength in your mind. Or, perhaps, you're just full of shit and this fake tough guy thing is meant to hide it. Truly, I am amused, and it's why I enjoy taking you to task every chance I get.
That's all interesting cope, truly, and the the first sentence is immediately invalidated by the fact China and the U.S. weren't at war at the time on its own, but we can also defer to the Pentagon on this for the second confirmed time it happened:
Why would China send a submarine to stalk an American carrier? It's likely China regularly does this, but does not announce the event by surfacing within visual range. China almost certainly did so to prove a point: at the time the United States had announced it would send a ship into the South China Sea on a Freedom of Navigation exercise to challenging China's territorial claims. China demonstrated not only was it shadowing one of America's ten aircraft carriers, it could get within torpedo range if it wanted.
It's okay, I've learned to speak very slowly with you too, best evidenced by your complete failure at reading comprehension here:
Although he would not comment on reports that the US Navy lost the Severodvinsk, Pentagon officials said that the Severodvinsk went into the Atlantic Ocean in 2018 — and managed to evade detection for weeks.
I didn't know the Pentagon now counted as "local Admiral".
I didn't miss it, given this was entirely my point; the U.S. continues to test systems it has failed to get in place meanwhile the Chinese are using said technology in a more advanced form:
The second trial two weeks later "stunned" the Defense Department and the U.S. intelligence officials, the FT's Demetri Sevastopulo wrote on Wednesday, "because China managed to demonstrate a brand new weapons capability."
"One person said government scientists were struggling to understand the capability, which the U.S. does not currently possess, adding that China's achievement appeared 'to defy the laws of physics,'" he added.
Sod off with your silly games again. I don't know where did you delusionally read that point, but if you can't even repeat it, guess it's not there.
Yes, sure, Navy wants money for own hypersonics even if it's not a pressing need, that is a given. Great discovery there.
Yes, i do copy childish snaps from a master, i have better things to do than create originals.
If only the random articles you have linked had actual CEP data
This is what you are looking for:
Yes, that was the easier one to find. Russian one, probably not something to brag about, so it's not so easy.
Fuck off with the Krasnopol. An article you have yourself linked earlier has stated that it's similar same first generation guided munition to the Copperhead from the 80's, also reminding you of its existence, and difference between laser and GPS guidance.
Explained: Russia Is Developing a Super Optically-Guided Artillery Shell
Can America compete?
nationalinterest.org
Speaking of, the wikipedia article about Krasnopol is its own kind of fun.
Super hi tech Russian weaponry that USA is totally lagging behind, refused by India, replaced by US technology
WTF? I've asked about SLBM tubes... Since when do SSNs have SLBM tubes? That's something only SSBNs have by definition. Randomly linking articles you don't understand doesn't help your case, yet you can't do something as simple as check what how many launch tubes do all 3 Russian SSBN classes in active service have, and compare them to the Ohio class.
Megadeath
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What's funny is I grabbed literally your two first posts in the thread making any kinda claim/prediction and they were so wrong I didn't need to dig further to demonstrate that you're just full of shit. If you can find me saying Kherson was going to fall in April (Or any time.) feel free to quote it. We could make a game of it where we look back with some perspective and see who was more accurate with hindsight. I'm going to say so far the score is 2-0.
Also...
WTF is the point posting a graph of mainly ballistic missile ranges in response to an argument about the quality of guided munitions?
Actually, also also...
I think you're stupid sometimes. Asking where they are isn't saying they don't exist at all. It's highlighting that they might as well not. Whether it's because they don't exist in sufficient numbers, the technology isn't actually mature, or some other reason... They are not on the battlefield. A weapon system that you "Like, totally have guys!" but can't field in a fight is a weapon system you might as well not have. Tanks that were obsolete before half the forum user's here were born are more meaningful to Russian strategy and defence, because they can at least sort of field those.
In fact, a full list of things more impactful on Russian military power than the T-14 or SU-57 would include the maxim machine gun (From 1884), the T-62 (From 1961) and the mood of Elon Musk. Those have all played a part, unlike the weapon systems in question. So... Where are they?
Man you don't understand how the US MIC works do ya?Except for the multiple combat uses in Ukraine the Pentagon itself confirmed and the Pentagon itself conceding the Russians and Chinese are both far ahead in this category.
Well I can't know that which you are literally making up, given the Tornado has better range and matches us in accuracy. Seems to be a reoccurring theme of you lying here, which is telling.
There's something deeply funny about you asking where their systems are and then admitting they exist, as it just continues to show how right I am on this.
What an odd thing to say, because it is a lie:
We overestimate our enemies to get more funding for projects. Always have.
Just look at our response to the MIG 25.
Again, show me the Tornado has better range and accuracy in performance not just on paper.
Because HIMARs has a 5m CEP and that is with the M30. The ATACMs outranges everything but the SRBMs. And is more mobile then them.
Arguing capabilities of the Russians with me is the stupidest thing
Because I know what they are actually capable of and how they always seem great on paper. The Tornado has not been super unstoppable at all and is not better then a HIMARs.
If it was, the Ukrainians would be out of HIMARS.
I am saying where are they? If they exist why arnt they mass produced and being used against Ukraine?
Where are the unstoppable T-14s? Why arnt they rolling through Kiev by now?
Ah yes, it is forgetting the JASSM, the AGM-86, the Tomahawk, and the Trident and Minuteman missles.
Britain used to have a reputation for excellent intelligence services and special naval forces but now they can't even keep a secret from Russian intelligence.
James Bond would be disappointed.
James Bond would be disappointed.
Batrix2070
RON/PLC was a wonderful country.
This is the same intelligence that was deeply penetrated by the Soviet before WWII?
Well all the talk about Russian and Chinese Hypersonic missiles have caused the US Armed Forces to invent.........This seems like an appropriate time to drop this in here:
Macross Missile Massacre!!!!
Meant to be sarcasm but okay.
planefag
A Flying Bundle of Sticks
You keep saying this as if anybody gives a fuck that the Russians fired a few SRBMs from a plane instead of the ground.
Completely unsourced claim. In related news, your mother is a whore. Checkmate, retard.
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You literally proved yourself wrong with the link you put in your own fucking post:
They didn't even know they were being tailed when they were operating the "first generation" subs, and once the Walker spy ring clued them in, they still had to wait till they had/developed SLBMs with long enough ranges to strike from their own coastal waters. As soon as they could put them in bastions, they did.
Being stupid is one thing, but being fucking illiterate is a whole new ballgame. Holy shit.
Hold that thought for a second, if your peabrain can manage that feat.
I see you missed the part where I specified the US can do it halfway across the fucking world. I've seen some fucking morons in my time but someone who gets arrogant because they literally cannot read the text on the screen in front of their face is a new level of retard.
Neither was the United States and USSR at war, and yet, the US kept it a secret that they were trailing Russian boomers, hence the Russians only finding out about it from the Walker Spy Ring. Wow! It's almost like nations keep secrets from their potential war enemies as well as ones they are actively at war with!
Also, that has to be the single stupidest fucking thing you've said to-date, which is kind of amazing.
You didn't provide a link to the source of that quote, but something tells me it wasn't written by "the Pentagon." Just a hunch.
I literally laughed out loud. You can't pay for this kind of comedy.
So Navy officials in the Pentagon are spreading stories to get more funding for the Navy? How is this in any fucking way different?
The single biggest indicator of how low your IQ is, is that you take journalists at face value. Fractional Orbital Bombardment has its own fucking wikipedia article; the idea has been around for fucking decades. "Defy the law of physics" my fucking ass.
It's the quality that truly elevates you past the usual dull shit-for-brains you find on the internet - the ones who aren't entertaining in their stupidity, spewing LSD-fever dream claims then doing increasingly hilarious backflips to try and escape being cornered, but are rather just illiterates who oblige people to re-explain their posts to them three times in the vain hope that once the monkey understands the argument, it might at least attempt to fling shit at it. You do this, sure, but then you parrot other dull shit-for-brains, and not just any fuckwits, but the ones we have already grown a bone-deep weariness of hearing from; dumbfuck journalists. Even your attempts at sass are remarkable in how pissweak they are; like most leftist shitheels you try to use troll terminology that's embarrassingly out of date, but instead of the usual lackluster cringe of "snowflake" you try for condescending, which makes it the cherry on top of the wet squalid fart of sundae that your illiterate abortions of "argument" amount to. In every single way you're like some kind of fucked-up Escher painting; someone who has transcended dull and ascended to become the perfect embodiment of the very concept of a dull fuckwit. Like a black hole; you're nothing but painful to look at but so mysteriously, intensely boring that people can't look away from you. If EVE Online was a human being, you'd be it. It's fucking staggering.
I worry, sometimes. I worry because you're out there, somewhere, in the real world. Will I fall under your gaze one day, as I pass through the supermarket checkout line you're bagging for? Will I one day have to experience your vacant gaze drifting over me, hear the resting fatbreath wheeze whistling past your piggy lips as you put your greasy fingers on every single item of food I had planned to eat?
Fucking horrifying.
It's quite interesting: Russians claim to want to create their own unique and separate civilizational space because the alternative to this would be them becoming a part of the Greater American Empire (GAE) and thus Russians becoming GAE-Lords (pronounced "gaylords"), but would they really prefer to be first servants to Winnie the Pooh instead?
