Armchair General's DonbAss Derailed Discussion Thread (Topics Include History, Traps, and the Ongoing Slavic Civil War plus much much more)

The key point here, as heartless as it sounds, is that nuclear plant not being able to cool shit down; looks like Russia is trying to create a nuclear bomb instead of using one, while transparently trying to blame it on Ukraine.

This is a blatant attempt of getting around the "tac nuke usage = NATO nuking the shit out of us" problem Russia is having right now. It should be treated as such by NATO.
Maybe NATO should make the Russian Boomer Subs have unfortunate accidents in the Atlantic, Pacific and Indian Oceans. I am pretty sure by now we have the tech to tell exactly where 1980s era Ballistic Missile subs are.
 
Maybe NATO should make the Russian Boomer Subs have unfortunate accidents in the Atlantic, Pacific and Indian Oceans. I am pretty sure by now we have the tech to tell exactly where 1980s era Ballistic Missile subs are.
No... If we start going after their retaliation capacity, and they lose the threat of a second strike, how do you think they'd interpret that, and what do you think they'd do?

If we actually can (Probably can for most, but I doubt all? How many do they put to sea at once?) then it would make a lot more sense to get boats in position on them and let them know we're there. Even that might be pushing the threat too much, but it's less risky than forcing a "Use it or lose it" strike.
 
No... If we start going after their retaliation capacity, and they lose the threat of a second strike, how do you think they'd interpret that, and what do you think they'd do?

If we actually can (Probably can for most, but I doubt all? How many do they put to sea at once?) then it would make a lot more sense to get boats in position on them and let them know we're there. Even that might be pushing the threat too much, but it's less risky than forcing a "Use it or lose it" strike.

This.
Also, they don't keep their subs out in the ocean like the Americans do.
 
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Reportedly one of the Tajiks involved in the shooting of other Russian forces was only in Russia for seven months and technically shouldn't of been able to be conscripted due to the whole... not being a Russian citizen thing.

 
No... If we start going after their retaliation capacity, and they lose the threat of a second strike, how do you think they'd interpret that, and what do you think they'd do?

If we actually can (Probably can for most, but I doubt all? How many do they put to sea at once?) then it would make a lot more sense to get boats in position on them and let them know we're there. Even that might be pushing the threat too much, but it's less risky than forcing a "Use it or lose it" strike.
Going after the Russian boomers would mean needing to make sure they take out the Belgorod first and foremost; SLBMs are no fun to deal with, but our ABM shit is pretty good and well funded now, so Status-6 nuke drones are a lot bigger threat because they are far harder to intercept, particularly the super-cavitation bubble variant.

Taking out just the Belgorod in retaliation for a tac-nuke seems like it's proportional, but not going to completely gut the Russian second strike capabilities.
 
No... If we start going after their retaliation capacity, and they lose the threat of a second strike, how do you think they'd interpret that, and what do you think they'd do?

If we actually can (Probably can for most, but I doubt all? How many do they put to sea at once?) then it would make a lot more sense to get boats in position on them and let them know we're there. Even that might be pushing the threat too much, but it's less risky than forcing a "Use it or lose it" strike.
You say that now but if one or two of those Boomers launch a handful of missiles. People will be demanding to know why no one took them out when we had the chance.
 
You say that now but if one or two of those Boomers launch a handful of missiles. People will be demanding to know why no one took them out when we had the chance.
In such a situation, the odds of any boomer launching a 'handful' of missiles as opposed to 'all their missiles' is remote... and in such a case we're basically back to 'that scene from Wargames.'
 
In such a situation, the odds of any boomer launching a 'handful' of missiles as opposed to 'all their missiles' is remote... and in such a case we're basically back to 'that scene from Wargames.'
I said handful because I serious doubt the bulk of Russia's ballistic missiles are still reliable. Too many malfunctioning Russian missiles as of late.

People demanding to know things will be low down on the list of things to worry about.
Unless a missile lands and hits some city but does not full detonate the warheads. Just becomes a big dirty bomb.
 
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I said handful because I serious doubt the bulk of Russia's ballistic missiles are still reliable. Too many malfunctioning Russian missiles as of late.
Outside of evidence to the contrary, Russia's ballistic missiles were all manufactured before any sanctions and/or chip shortages...

And assuming a failure rate enough the any / all nukes fired will be shot down is just begging for 'that scene from Wargames.'
 
Outside of evidence to the contrary, Russia's ballistic missiles were all manufactured before any sanctions and/or chip shortages...

And assuming a failure rate enough the any / all nukes fired will be shot down is just begging for 'that scene from Wargames.'
We are at the point where giving Russia the benefit of the doubt in fully functional weapons has long passed. You can't have 95% of you conbat equipment proven to be in shoddy condition and still think. But this one part here is fully maintained. It is not logical. You don't have mismanagement and incompetence that widespread and not have it affect everything.
 
We are at the point where giving Russia the benefit of the doubt in fully functional weapons has long passed. You can't have 95% of you conbat equipment proven to be in shoddy condition and still think. But this one part here is fully maintained. It is not logical. You don't have mismanagement and incompetence that widespread and not have it affect everything.
There MAY be one site where the Commander was completely loyal and shot everyone trying to sell parts and skim. That will be the ONLY site where things are fully operational...as far as their equipment would have been anyway.
 
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There MAY be one site where the Commander was completely loyal and shot everyone trying to sell parts and skim. That will be the ONLY site where things are fully operational...as far as their equipment would have been anyway.
One site is still maybe a dozen missiles at max.
 
There MAY be one site where the Commander was completely loyal and shot everyone trying to sell parts and skim. That will be the ONLY site where things are fully operational...as far as their equipment would have been anyway.
One site is still maybe a dozen missiles at max.
Belgorod says high.

Worry about the iffy missile sites less than the Tsar Bomba torps/radioactive tsunami weapons that thing has.
 
Belgorod says high.

Worry about the iffy missile sites less than the Tsar Bomba torps/radioactive tsunami weapons that thing has.
That is an untested weapon that is pretty dubious to me. The Russians hype many things that turn out to be big nothingburgers.

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This is one of the Biggest Examples of what I am talking about. The so called Soviet Superjet the Mig 31.
 
That is an untested weapon that is pretty dubious to me. The Russians hype many things that turn out to be big nothingburgers.
Status-6's are an underwater drone with a couple Tsar Bomba's on it, and they have tested it (not the warhead, but the drone part) a bit.

It's a just a nuclear powered, nuclear armed mega-torpedo/drone that can go deeper than most combat subs or their torps, which in fact is fairly simple compared to some of the higher end ICBM/MIRV combo's out there.
 
Status-6's are an underwater drone with a couple Tsar Bomba's on it, and they have tested it (not the warhead, but the drone part) a bit.

It's a just a nuclear powered, nuclear armed mega-torpedo/drone that can go deeper than most combat subs or their torps, which in fact is fairly simple compared to some of the higher end ICBM/MIRV combo's out there.
All we have is Russia saying we say it works. Yeah not buying anything they say.
 

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