Armchair General's DonbAss Derailed Discussion Thread (Topics Include History, Traps, and the Ongoing Slavic Civil War plus much much more)

[planefag]

@planefag ! Where've you been?

Drinking.

 

[Zachowon]

Drinking.

Celebration for the 8k square kms?

 

[WolfBear]

So they are putting the Screws on Putin?

Very Good. Maybe we can get someone who doesn't invade other countries and can maintain whatever remains of Russia's sphere through more sensible means. Ideally we can get Russia out of the Ukraine and avoid a power vacuum in the region,

There will still be the issue of Crimea and the Donbass. Good luck getting any post-Putin Russian regime to give those territories up, and I'm not sure that the West would be willing to lift many or even any sanctions unless those issues are also resolved. Had Russia limited itself to the separatist Donbass back in February, Western sanctions on it would have been much milder; now, they're much more severe and Russia is in a real pickle since the West has clearly seen the extent of Russian appetites for additional land and unwilling subjects.

 

[Bacle]

 

[ATP]

Biden simply said that a minor incursion would mean minor sanctions, which actually does make sense since Biden wanted to deter Putin from a large-scale invasion of Ukraine. Imposing heavy sanctions for minor incursions might have made a larger invasion much more likely. But of course once the larger invasion occurred anyway, Biden imposed extremely heavy sanctions.

It's similar to Germany: One could say that Nord Stream 2 was a foolish albeit well-meaning effort to get Putin to behave in Ukraine by still maintaining some economic ties with him. As in, the logic went along these lines: "Vlad, don't do anything stupid, crazy, and/or aggressive in Ukraine, or else we'll cut our remaining economic ties with you, which are still quite substantial!"

No,it was green light for taking part of Ukraine.
We are blessed with Putin idiocy,that he do not agree to that.

Perhaps. But Russia doesn't have a spare second army to seriously invade Poland with. If they had one, they would be sending it to Ukraine few months ago.

It's hard to destroy completely, but artillery and side shots can still knock it out well enough.

The rumors are that F-16's and A-10's are in the cards. Training is ongoing, but no decisions. Same as with tanks, the lag could be with availability of technicians. It's worse than with tanks, the maintenance staff for F-16's can take years to train, as opposed to months for tanks, and with cruise missile strikes and the politics USA can't send private contractors as in Iraq or Afghanistan.

1.I hope so - but,KGB is KGB,they do not care how many its slaves die,so hidden KGB army waiting for RIGHT TIME is not impossible.

2.True - but,if Ukraine have at least 300 of them,they could arleady win.

3.Private contractors could go on their own risk.

@planefag - good to see you again.You are one of best specialist here.
But - i understandt,drinking is important.
P.S what do you think about my paranoid conspiracy theory about hidden super army of KGB waiting for RIGY HOUR ?
It is only joke,or something maybe be in it ?

 

[Husky_Khan]

Looks like the Russians lost even more personnel in this counteroffensive. Rest in Peace Armchair Warlord. 🥴





He didn't even last as long as Russia's Western District Commander... 😔

 

[Buba]

More open calls for Putin's resignation.

Just to make it crystal clear (maybe needlessly? if so - sowee!) - in case there is confusion with members of State Duma - these are municipal councilmen/aldermen/whatever speaking out against Putin.

 

[Agent23]

Just to make it crystal clear (maybe needlessly? if so - sowee!) - in case there is confusion with members of State Duma - these are municipal councilmen/aldermen/whatever speaking out against Putin.

Stop feeding the twitter addicts, they lack the attention span to understand what you are trying to tell them.

The Russian people will have a lot of soul searching to do. Putin has made the West and Ukraine specifically despise Russia. It is the kind of hate that takes 2 to 3 Generations to correct. Russia's best bet is to unfuck the way they do things on a societal level and stop being so damned paranoid. Maybe in the Late 2070s they can get a 3rd chance on the world stage. But they have a lot of work to do to get there. Back in 1991 we gave them the benefit of the doubt freely. Now they will have to earn it.

You mean like all the soul searching the USA did after almost every single clusterfuck of a military intervention organized on very thin pretexts and outright bullshit and lies for the past, oh, hundred plus years?
Starting from the Spanish-American war and going up to the mess they made in Libya and Syria and the botched abortion that was the war on terror?
😂



Anyway, regarding some of the hurr durr, muh Russians need to stop, well, look what I just found:


The Russian weebs are finally standing up for truth and justice...

...by fully supporting the Russian armed forces and pledging free entry to all their events for Russian soldiers fighting in Ukraine as well as prohibit people attacking the operation from commenting or speaking at their events, and they pledge part of the money gathered from their events for humanitarian aid to the front in support of the army and that purchasing a ticket one of their events automatically makes the buyer a supporter of teh Armed Forces of the Russian Federation.

The weebs are far from the only people doubling down, there is a lot of anger at the government visible in Telegram, alright, anger that they do not escalate this to a real war and do not take the gloves off and really bitchslap the Kiev Regime.

Oh, yeah, and they are banning LGBTQ propaganda.

 

[Husky_Khan]

Anyway, regarding some of the hurr durr, muh Russians need to stop, the same type that can be applied to the

well, look what I just found:


The Russian weebs are finally standing up for truth and justice, by fully supporting the Russian armed forces and pledging free entry to all their events for Russian soldiers fighting in Ukraine as well as prohibit people attacking the operation from commenting or speaking at their events, and they pledge part of the money gathered from their events for humanitarian aid to the front in support of the army and that purchasing a ticket one of their events automatically makes the buyer a supporter of teh Armed Forces of the Russian Federation.

The weebs are far from the only people doubling down, there is a lot of anger at the governmnet visible in Telegram, alright, anger that they do not escalate this to a real war and do not take the gloves off and really bitchslap the Kiev Regime.

Maybe the Weebs can form a Russian Volunteer Battalion or three to serve in Ukraine!

Russia might need them after the elite 1st Guards Tank Army got mauled... again... by severely undermechanized Ukrainian adversaries whilst holding the defensive advantage of six months worth of entrenchments.

 

[Zachowon]

Stop feeding the twitter addicts, they lack the attention span to understand what you are trying to tell them.


You mean like all the soul searching the USA did after almost every single clusterfuck of a military intervention organized on very thin pretexts and outright bullshit and lies for the past, oh, hundred plus years?
Starting from the Spanish-American war and going up to the mess they made in Libya and Syria and the botched abortion that was the war on terror?
😂



Anyway, regarding some of the hurr durr, muh Russians need to stop, well, look what I just found:


The Russian weebs are finally standing up for truth and justice...

...by fully supporting the Russian armed forces and pledging free entry to all their events for Russian soldiers fighting in Ukraine as well as prohibit people attacking the operation from commenting or speaking at their events, and they pledge part of the money gathered from their events for humanitarian aid to the front in support of the army and that purchasing a ticket one of their events automatically makes the buyer a supporter of teh Armed Forces of the Russian Federation.

The weebs are far from the only people doubling down, there is a lot of anger at the government visible in Telegram, alright, anger that they do not escalate this to a real war and do not take the gloves off and really bitchslap the Kiev Regime.

Oh, yeah, and they are banning LGBTQ propaganda.

They wint get many uninjured soldiers appearing there

 

[ATP]

Just to make it crystal clear (maybe needlessly? if so - sowee!) - in case there is confusion with members of State Duma - these are municipal councilmen/aldermen/whatever speaking out against Putin.

Indeed.
And - Current soviets could only elect another putin,becouse all ruling elites are from kgb.And,USA probably let them - becouse democrats NEVER seriously fought soviets,and always wanted deal with Moscov at cost of other nations there.

 

[ATP]

Stop feeding the twitter addicts, they lack the attention span to understand what you are trying to tell them.


You mean like all the soul searching the USA did after almost every single clusterfuck of a military intervention organized on very thin pretexts and outright bullshit and lies for the past, oh, hundred plus years?
Starting from the Spanish-American war and going up to the mess they made in Libya and Syria and the botched abortion that was the war on terror?
😂



Anyway, regarding some of the hurr durr, muh Russians need to stop, well, look what I just found:


The Russian weebs are finally standing up for truth and justice...

...by fully supporting the Russian armed forces and pledging free entry to all their events for Russian soldiers fighting in Ukraine as well as prohibit people attacking the operation from commenting or speaking at their events, and they pledge part of the money gathered from their events for humanitarian aid to the front in support of the army and that purchasing a ticket one of their events automatically makes the buyer a supporter of teh Armed Forces of the Russian Federation.

The weebs are far from the only people doubling down, there is a lot of anger at the government visible in Telegram, alright, anger that they do not escalate this to a real war and do not take the gloves off and really bitchslap the Kiev Regime.

Oh, yeah, and they are banning LGBTQ propaganda.

1.Maybe
2.Not russians,postsoviets.And,of course that they want war - problem is,they do not want participate in it,only send Buriats and homeless.
And,they take off gloves in Bucha and many other places - problem is,it still do not helped them.
And,would not help as long as rich russians do not agree to serve on frontlines.

What we see now is 1905 war again - tsar do not made mobilisation,becouse he feared revolution.Which he get anyway.

 

[Cherico]

Indeed.
And - Current soviets could only elect another putin,becouse all ruling elites are from kgb.And,USA probably let them - becouse democrats NEVER seriously fought soviets,and always wanted deal with Moscov at cost of other nations there.

Honestly that was the problem we had with Russia we never just sat down and crushed them, and I am left wondering if we will make the same mistake we made after the 90s of just leaving them be.

 

[ATP]

Honestly that was the problem we had with Russia we never just sat down and crushed them, and I am left wondering if we will make the same mistake we made after the 90s of just leaving them be.

Indeed.Becouse,if Moscov do not win thanks to hidden super army/which is stil possible - we are taking about KGB here/ then they start another war in 2040 or earlier as revenge for "bad West" which robbed them of their glorious victory.

Becouse,just like germans after WW1,they belive that they would win if not for treachery of West.
Now,they must be dismantled.
Maybe deal with China? they controlled most of Siberia in Tang dynasty times,when Russia do not existed yet.Even Kiev Russia.

 

[Bacle]

Maybe the Weebs can form a Russian Volunteer Battalion or three to serve in Ukraine!

Russia might need them after the elite 1st Guards Tank Army got mauled... again... by severely undermechanized Ukrainian adversaries whilst holding the defensive advantage of six months worth of entrenchments.

The Russian weebs might actually be better strategists/commanders than their normal military heads in Russia, if they watched certain anime's.

 

[WolfBear]

The Russian weebs might actually be better strategists/commanders than their normal military heads in Russia, if they watched certain anime's.

But then the Ukrainians will become even more hardcore warriors after watching Tanya the Evil :

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Saga_of_Tanya_the_Evil

 

[WolfBear]

A post of mine from another thread:

When Russia lost the Battle of Kiev, it failed to quickly win the war:

Russians at the Gates of Kiev: Victims of an Almost-Success

Too far to go back, too far to go forward

antiempire.substack.com

Even if you are able to push on from Makariv and reach the river to the south of the city to encircle the city from the west what does that really mean? It means that you now have to maintain an inner ring against the city, and an outer ring against the entire rest of Ukraine at the same time. You have to split your small force between the two requirements, all the while cut off from the rest of the Russian army on the other bank. It’s very hard to do.

As for more recent developments:

Ukrainian Offensive Inflicts Staggering Defeat on Russia

A key portion of the front collapses after just 4 days of offensive

antiempire.substack.com

Ukraine Marches 30 Miles in 3 Days and Lays the "Attrition" Cope to Rest

What I had been banging on since March — that Russia will run into manpower problems before Ukraine does — has come to pass.

antiempire.substack.com

 

[Bacle]

But then the Ukrainians will become even more hardcore warriors after watching Tanya the Evil :

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Saga_of_Tanya_the_Evil

Ok, yeah, so I'm not the only one who thought the Ukrainian advance seemed like some shit Tanya would pull/plan.

 

[WolfBear]

Ok, yeah, so I'm not the only one who thought the Ukrainian advance seemed like some shit Tanya would pull/plan.

Except now the role of the Eastern warriors has been assumed more by the US than by Germany, though Germany is also gradually returning to its roots.

Tanya was so Based!

 

[GoldRanger]

Edit: Ah, I see the current Putin's bitches' line is "it was a diversion all along". Can't wait to see what else turns out to be "just a diversion all along, they didn't REALLY want to attack" next.

It took a few more months but now we know, this next thing turned out to be the loss of Izium and a big chunk of the Kharkiv area. Russian forces are "redeploying" yet again. Soon they're going to "tactically redeploy" to Moscow, all a part of a brilliant 4D chess plan of Putin.