Putting it out with CO2, or whatever you'd use for electrical fires?
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Putting it out with CO2, or whatever you'd use for electrical fires?
bintananth
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Smother it with a dry inert powder. After a bit of digging the Navy uses copper dust to extinguish these.
Only if you have good drones to find enemy.And,in that regard,ukrainians are better.10 guns still lost to 1,if they fire in general direction where enemy supposed to be.
And one enemy gun have drones to look for you.
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sillygoose
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So Ukraine took a couple of insignificant villages on the flank while the Russians maintain their advance in the critical direction? That refutes what I said how? Ukrainian forces were still stopped from advancing any significant distance or stopping the Russian advance. Sounds like a defeated attack and we're in to 1945 territory where Goebbels was bragging about minor tactical advances as the war situation collapsed.
AnimalNoodles
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Megadeath
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Well, Russia certainly seems to be successfully advancing in a backwards direction on most fronts.
Propaganda I assure you, the west has you fooled us all by playing those clips in reverse.
Aldarion
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One question: why the hell would anyone use aluminium on a warship? I mean, I know that some British ships had aluminium superstructure in the Falklands war (did they have to jettison the entire superstructure?), but why?
Agent23
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Aerospaceweb.org | Ask Us - Solid Rockets & Aluminum solid rocket propellant.
Liquids can be even nastier, and to reach ignition temperature for the Aluminum/iron oxide mix you need something that burns really hot.
Maybe because it's light and doesn't rust?
A chap who served in the Navy over here who also worked for an armaments company told me a thing about inflammable liquids: that the harder it is to get something to start burning, the harder it will also be to get it to stop.
paulobrito
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Considering how dangerous/difficult to stop the fires that the modern missiles fuel cause, I wonder why they even care about putting a warhead. In several cases, the reports said that most of the damage is done by said fuel, not the warhead.
gral
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Weight. Aluminium is about one third of the density of steel.
Agent23
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Yeah.
Probably because they are placeholders for nukes, and maybe because you need the extra oomph at a specific moment, like proximity detonation spreading fragments all over the place.
Back to the discussion at hand, a lot of liquid rocket fuels need to either be kept in cryogenic conditions, think hydrogen and oxigen, thus turning the rocket into two big Vernier flasks, or they are stupidly toxic and corrosive, like astrolite.
Even if you use high quality kerosine, which some rockets do, you'd still need oxidizer in the form of liquid oxygen, and any fire that burns hear that stuff gets bigger, and you have a bunch of dangers related to containers bursting and cold temperatures.
bintananth
behind a desk
Liquid fueled missiles use red fuming nitric acid or nitrogen tetroxide (plus a fuel) because they're storable at everyday temperatures.
Coons says he’s worried ‘we will see Ukraine turn into Syria’
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His statements really made even my most ardent Pro-USA coworkers nervous since they grew up during the Cold War and Pro-ASEAN or Anti-interventionist annoyed. I'm curious if this Senator really understand the consequences of American boots on the ground of Ukraine?
Sen. Coons discusses U.S. response to Russia/Ukraine war, including possible troop deployment
Speaking at the University of Michigan, Sen. Chris Coons discusses Ukrainian security assistance from the U.S.
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His statements really made even my most ardent Pro-USA coworkers nervous since they grew up during the Cold War and Pro-ASEAN or Anti-interventionist annoyed. I'm curious if this Senator really understand the consequences of American boots on the ground of Ukraine?
Nope CO2 will not work on a Class Delta. Class Deltas burn way hotter than Alpha, Bravo and Charlie fires. You will need sand (which lets face it that is only on ships that carry Aircraft) or you need to get the fire overboard. Which if internal is impossible. The fire will cook off Fuel and other combustible materials in the space. It will literally eat through the decks of the ship all the way to the keel. Like I said Class Deltas are the stuff of nightmares.
They wanted to save on weight on the O1 and above levels and they wanted to save money. But Aluminium proved to not be a good fit due to Fire Issues and cracking. So that is why they went with all steel on later ships like the Burkes.
Edit: Also note my Fire Fighting training is 27 years old by now. I am sure the US Navy has new chemicals for fighting Deltas. But I don't think the Russian Navy does because well old Soviet equipment and such.
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Arch Dornan
Oh, lovely. They've sent me a mo-ron.
Does he look shitfaced? The war's clearly taking it's toll on him but I don't see a cocaine pipe.
I don't think Russia is doing well even by your standards. Remember two weeks ago ago when Chiron was running around citing that "Armchair Warlord" guy, who was totally sure the next offensive was when Ukraine will fall for sure? Cut to now, and the most significant gain is a russuan missile cruiser boldly occupying the bottom of the Black Sea (and that's not really a gain so much as it is reinforcing those VDV guys they dropped into the sea earily in the war).
Like, even if Russia is advancing, which to my knowledge they're not, this doesn't look like "crushing superiority".
Agent23
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What do you call over 1k Ukranian marines surrendering at the Ilych plant?