Here's an F-16 crash site that was shot down by Syrian Air Defense over Israel a few years ago as well.
Armchair General's DonbAss Derailed Discussion Thread (Topics Include History, Traps, and the Ongoing Slavic Civil War plus much much more)
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TheRejectionist
TheRejectionist
3 million Ukranians left, mostly for the border countries.
Most of which aren't going to fucking return.
Hopefully it bites EU in buttocks like it did in 2014-2015.
Most of which aren't going to fucking return.
Hopefully it bites EU in buttocks like it did in 2014-2015.
That's what happens when the pilot attempts to make a controlled emergency landing at comparatively slow speeds and fails hitting the ground instead.
The "debris around a large place" on the other hand is what happens when a plane breaks up in the air.
There can also be the "looks like a shotgun blast" that occurs when a plane hits the ground at high speeds.
Agent23
Ни шагу назад!
3 million so far, there will be more, and there will inevitably be even more coming from the middle east and Africa when the famines start.
The EU will be living in interesting times.
Fertilizer isn't high density microchips and the US is already moving to compensate with increased production.
paulobrito
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By parts:
An Su-2x or 3x is a big, heavy plane - more than 20tons empty. You don't see any marks on the ground of movement, so, it have to hit the ground a zero speed in all of the three axis - controlled emergency landing or not, that is an impossibility. On top of that, if the plane has hit with enough damage that caused a crash, that is not show in the burned wreck. What you see on the contrary, is an almost perfect replica of an intact plane burned, not a crashed plane that burned after. So perfect burned wreck only exist in bad movies or fake tentatives. Telling is that you don't see any debris around the plane - again very strange it the plane has been hit.
Um... You do see marks on the ground? They are mostly obscured by the smoke but they're there.
There's also debris around the plane that you can see in the full view.
And closer up pictures in the thread itself.
paulobrito
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I see said marks
If you believe that are made by a 20tons+ plane crashing, i have the proverbial bridge in that proverbial place to sell you. Just compare with the others images of planes crashed in this tread - hint the F-16 heights less than half the su-2x/3x. And even these do a lot more ground damage than this one. This one ? almost zero ground damage. Is simply not possible. This is staged.
If you believe that are made by a 20tons+ plane crashing, i have the proverbial bridge in that proverbial place to sell you. Just compare with the others images of planes crashed in this tread - hint the F-16 heights less than half the su-2x/3x. And even these do a lot more ground damage than this one. This one ? almost zero ground damage. Is simply not possible. This is staged.
Chiron
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That's nice if UkA had even set one up or its current one could be used as such instead of shut down because of all the strikes on them.
Its a Su-30, and the "pilot" is not wearing a flight suit which is blue and which we saw on other captured pilots and allows them to be picked out distinctively during rescue ops. Also the craft somehow is largely intact despite being shown to have plunged to the ground despite the pilot apparently ejecting... "Throws into the mystery box for further research."
VKS continues its high operational tempo of 300 sorties a day.
Per POW rules, so long as they are paid in addition to their regular pay, this is not a war crime so long as they are not being used in war production areas, though videotaping them is against the rules, but no one follows it as its stupid and is a excellent way to give proof of life. Officers don't have to work and can't be made to work and are entitled to nicer POW facilities away from the enlisted... Hey Europeans wrote the rules at a time when Officers were largely nobles and middle class professionals.
Half the city is contested still.
Amazing what forensic examination can find.
At the rate RuA and DPR/LPR keep capturing these, the EU might want to call the Russians first and make sure they still got room to store them.
TheRomanSlayer
Putang Ina Mo, Katolikong Hayop!
Although wouldn't American fertilizer actually be earmarked for primary exports to the rest of North America?
This is an F15e that crashed in Libya...I see said marks
If you believe that are made by a 20tons+ plane crashing, i have the proverbial bridge in that proverbial place to sell you. Just compare with the others images of planes crashed in this tread - hint the F-16 heights less than half the su-2x/3x. And even these do a lot more ground damage than this one. This one ? almost zero ground damage. Is simply not possible. This is staged.
Chiron
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This is an F15e that crashed in Libya...
This one crashed due to a flat spin and broke up in mid air due to a weight imbalance and software error, and this is one section of a larger crash site.
The Su-30 we see, was shown to be going in nose first into the ground, yet is wheels up and the "captured" pilot isn't even wearing a Russian Blue Flight Suit.
If they are going to bullshit us, put in the effort at least.
strunkenwhite
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For a Ukrainian, it's patriotic. Jesus Christ.
America was already making enough fertilizer for America; the increase in production is to expand into markets Russia is exiting (more or less), per the article linked earlier.
AnimalNoodles
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You're wrong. The term is very popular amongst the midwest factions of the dissident right
sillygoose
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How much Russia potash was needed for the end product.
Michigan Potash Stands to Replace Russian Potash Fertilizer Imports (prnewswire.com)
The headline of course is misleading:
Some company claiming it could replace the Russians in 3.5 years. Assuming that is accurate it would still take 3 and a half years to replace the 96% of imported potash. I highly doubt that the remaining international supply will come to the US to make up the 1 million ton difference in the meantime.
So yeah, expect the next 3.5 years to be pretty rough.
Chiron
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I got family who actually works for that company. They were very much saying, we're fucked. 3.5 years is if everything goes right and no wrenches are thrown into the process.
Its still worth it, but should have been done years ago. A nation that can't feed itself is not sovereign.
sillygoose
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We never should have outsourced our industries in general, but here we are. That's the problem with being the global Rome. Hard to imagine we used to have nearly 50% of the world's industry in the 1940s. Only 18% now.
TheRejectionist
TheRejectionist
Chiron
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And now the Petrodollar is dead, Putin is killing it as we speak and sending a clear message to China to not get any ideals. Ukraine is besides the point to Putin. If it was, he would have mobilized the reserves the moment the attacks went in. Instead he is prolonging it and driving more refugees over the border to further destabilize the EU and ramp up the global economic damage as a direct assault on the US led economic order while also undercutting the Chinese.
If UkA obliges him by consenting to a straight up slugfest in Donbass where his artillery can wreck them, all the better, fewer potential insurgents. But its irrelevant if they don't either. Their nation is destroyed economically and demographically for decades.
planefag
A Flying Bundle of Sticks
Greeks came to Michigan to get the fuck away from the Balkans and yet the slavs followed us fml