Armchair General's DonbAss Derailed Discussion Thread (Topics Include History, Traps, and the Ongoing Slavic Civil War plus much much more)

Ok, ill bite what is the gift? I mean he seems to be pro russian but having a differing opinion on a foreign country isn't a grift.
If you go way back and watch all the videos the has done from 2016 till now. You will see a very clear grifting pattern at work. But don't just take my word for it look those videos up. It will take your some hours of watching but your eyes will be opened.
 
When I think back to primary school and high school (which wasn't that long ago because I'm still in university), I remember the amount of propaganda they tried to shove down my throat (disguised as education of course)

Stuff like "breadwinner", "kite runner", "Maus", and all the rest.

May I ask why you think Maus is propaganda? Yes, WW2 has been heavily mythologized, but what specifically about Maus did you think was suspect?
 
This substack article by Michael Tracey about this NYT op-ed by Andriy Yermak?
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Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky speaks at a virtual rally on March 4, 2022. (Photo by Europa Union Frankfurt/Handout/Anadolu Agency via Getty Images)

The reason we know Ukrainian officials are trying to goad the US into war is because that’s exactly what they say they’re doing. There is no ambiguity here — at this very moment, a furious multi-front lobbying blitz is underway to solicit full-fledged US military intervention in Ukraine, and therefore open warfare against Russia. To put it bluntly, a foreign country’s representatives are doing all they possibly can to instigate the closest thing anyone on Earth has ever experienced to World War III.

At the forefront of this campaign is the president, Zelensky, who’s been transformed overnight into an international folk hero. His nonstop lobbying offensive included a soaring address Friday to what some media outlets ludicrously described as an “anti-war rally” in Frankfurt, Germany. Such a description is ludicrous because the headline takeaway from the rally was Zelensky passionately condemning the alleged cowardice of NATO countries — for, as yet, refusing to launch a war against Russia. “All the people who die from this day forward will also die because of you, because of your weakness,” he inveighed. In his pro-war advocacy, Zelensky uses the same clever euphemism that has now entered heavy circulation: “No Fly Zone.” At this point, everyone with a bare-minimum understanding of what a US-administered “No Fly Zone” would entail has readily acknowledged that it means direct war with Russia — and by extension a radically increased risk of nuclear annihilation.

Still, this is what Zelensky is calling for any chance he gets, in his true-to-form showbiz style. (For those unaware, his professional endeavors prior to assuming the presidency included a stint as “the Ryan Seacrest of Ukraine,” as VICE once put it, not to mention his role playing the character of “President” on a comedy TV show.)

During an interview with CNN last week, masterfully choreographed from his underground bunker, Zelensky was asked what he would tell Joe Biden ahead of the State of the Union speech. His answer: impose the No Fly Zone immediately. To dispel any concerns about the dangers of his demand, Zelensky added that it “does not mean dragging NATO into this war.” Well, phew! That’s a relief. “Frankly, you know, everyone is drawn into the war now,” he explained.

Unfortunately, if you actually examine the logic that’s operative here, your relief should quickly turn to dread. Zelensky is saying that NATO (or in other words, the US) has already been dragged into the war. World War III has already commenced, is what he’s saying. In which case, a “No Fly Zone” wouldn’t really be an escalation per se — it would just be a retaliatory strike in a war that’s already ongoing, whether we like it or not. That’s the argument.

In an op-ed generously facilitated by the New York Times last week, Zelensky’s chief of staff — also writing from the storied underground bunker, we’re told — laid out the logic even more clearly. He implored:

There you have it: Americans shouldn’t fret about the dire implications of going to war with Russia, because they’ll inevitably be going to war with Russia anyway, so now it’s only a matter of getting one step ahead of Putin in his mad dash to conquer Europe.

Zelensky performed his well-rehearsed act yet again Saturday with another “emotional plea” for the No Fly Zone — this time delivered directly to 300 members of Congress over Zoom. Just a thought: maybe the guy furiously lobbying for World War III all the time isn’t necessarily a titanic moral hero whom we all must compulsorily venerate?

But in fairness to Zelensky, it’s not only him making these demands. It’s also huge cross-sections of Ukraine government and society; he’s just the chief spokesman. The Ukraine member of Parliament I personally interviewed for this very Substack a few weeks ago — who as of February 17 was saying that the biggest threat to the Ukrainian state was US-driven hysteria, not Russia — is now tearfully begging US politicians for a No Fly Zone. Ukrainian officials of every political persuasion are all over the place, reiterating the same demand. Even the former president Poroshenko, who had just fled the country after being charged with high treason by his former election opponent Zelensky, triumphantly returned to take up arms, and yes, add his booming “voice” to the No Fly Zone clamor.

In light of this extraordinarily up-front and audacious campaign by a foreign government to instigate WWIII, the US media must surely be treating their claims with extreme caution, right? You know, since this government could not be more clear about its desired policy intervention? Wrong! A whole lot of journalists — intoxicated by the Good versus Evil comic book story unfolding before their eyes — apparently believe their duty right now is to simply act as transmission devices for whatever propaganda material Ukrainian officials are pumping out, notwithstanding that such propaganda is overtly aimed at instigating WWIII.

Hey, NBC News: you ever think that a tweet from Ukraine’s foreign minister might not be sufficient to run with the claim that “Russian shelling of a nuclear power plant” was on the verge of causing a nuclear catastrophe “10 times worse than Chernobyl”? How about you, Independent? Or you, Piers Morgan? Because that’s an incredibly frightening claim — albeit exactly the type of claim one would expect Ukrainian government officials to frantically propagate, whether or not there’s evidence to back it up, considering their stated goal of emotionally compelling the US/NATO to impose a No Fly Zone on “humanitarian” grounds. Which would subsequently instigate WWIII. If I’m getting repetitive, that’s intentional. Why isn’t everyone repeating this right now?

None of which is to say that being generally “pro Ukraine” is somehow unjustified — the country has been invaded. The people are suffering. It’s bad. We all (should) agree on that. But the justifiability of being “pro Ukraine” doesn’t magically negate the obligation to be intensely skeptical of Ukrainian officials’ wild claims, especially given that these claims are explicitly tailored to instigate WWIII. Have you noticed that so many seasoned/savvy journalists claim to be aware that we’re engulfed in a “Fog of War,” meaning that propaganda is flying hot and heavy from all directions — but are nonetheless perfectly willing to just function as the Good Guys’ loyal propaganda peddlers? Even though we’re talking about propaganda designed to instigate WWIII?

Hey, everybody: Ukraine is actively goading the US into war, and two of its most effective weapons in accomplishing this task are 1) the fevered hive-mind mentality of journalists acting out a moral crusade fantasy, and 2) the fertile terrain of social media, which is systematically amplifying Ukrainian “voices” while systematically purging Russian ones. Whatever the wisdom of this algorithmic manipulation initiative — even if you’re in full support of it — how can you not also grasp that it’s necessarily going to create a massively distorted information environment? Why do you think we see constant media reports declaring with such confidence that Putin’s war plans are “unraveling,” while other analyses suggesting Russian forces have made “solid progress” are largely ignored? Do you think it might have anything to do with the fact that the entire US media/corporate/military/political apparatus is following this war with an explicit rooting interest in Ukraine, and a vehement cross-ideological animus for Russia? Again, however justified it may be to have a rooting interest in Ukraine, or to have animus for Russia, it’s stupendously unjustified to let those passions so skew reality that we’re being taken to the precipice of WWIII, a once-unthinkable notion.

While the Biden Administration has ostensibly said a No Fly Zone won’t happen, look at what has happened in just the past week. “NFZ” went from a self-evidently crazy idea to one that’s rapidly building momentum. Mega pundits like Bill Browder and Garry Kasparov — two of the absolute most central figures in shaping US policy and media perceptions as related to Russia — have issued NFZ demands, with Kasparov pleasantly expounding that he wants to send Russia “back into the stone age.” Add other vaunted experts like Kurt Volker to the pro-NFZ list. The former Commander of the Canadian military, himself calling for a NFZ, told the CBC that Putin plans to go as far as the English Channel — thus presumably conquering both France and England in the process. And it’s not just former officials and pundits. The current Prime Minister of Slovenia — a NATO member state as of 2004 thanks to the always-brilliant foreign policy maneuverings of George W. Bush and Dick Cheney — also called for a No Fly Zone on Friday, though he said it would only be “limited” and “humanitarian” in scope. So don’t worry. “Europe is now in the same situation as Europe was in 1939,” the Prime Minister proclaimed, warning that the Baltic countries are next. (The US Ambassador to the United Nations even declared that Putin is threatening to invade Finland and Sweden.)

Polls are being published that show a growing number of Americans support a No Fly Zone, which likely owes in part to persistent confusion about what a No Fly Zone really is — the euphemism was invented for good reason. But it also shouldn’t be any surprise if the propaganda onslaught currently in full-force has had real effects on public opinion, complete with stigmatization of even mild dissent.

Whatever chance they get, Ukrainian journalists — or people who’ve been designated to pantomime as journalists — are imploring major officials in hyper-emotionalist tones to go the No Fly Zone route. A clip of Boris Johnson receiving one such plea went viral a few days ago. It happened again shortly thereafter, with Jens Stoltenberg, the Secretary General of NATO.

Not to mention that the stated policy of the “West” is to engineer a sudden economic collapse in Russia, which seems to be proceeding apace. Are you confident in the stability of this situation?

I met a Ukrainian-American woman in the airport Thursday who had just booked a last-minute flight to Warsaw, in hopes of somehow helping a relative stuck in Ukraine get out of the country. As of around 48 hours ago, she had no real plan other than to rent a car and drive toward the border. She told me she used to go to school in Kharkiv, which has been the site of some of the worst devastation. She loathes Putin for reasons anyone would find understandable under the circumstances.

And she, too, said she wanted a No Fly Zone. I offered sympathy for her family’s misfortune, but nonetheless expressed reservations that a No Fly Zone would prompt World War III. And she gave me a retort that one now hears all the time: “World War III already started.” People are utterly convinced that Putin is hell-bent on invading as many more countries as he can, including NATO countries. I have no idea whether this is true. It seems implausible, but I truly don’t know. What I do know is that the logic of the theory is taking on a life of its own, and the momentum is all trending in one menacing direction.

Wait, is this a surprise to people? This was obvious like...days ago. Putin isn't the dangerous player here. He's acting rationally in the best interest of Russia. Putin taking Ukraine now actually makes Russia less dangerous to the United States, because it offers Russia more comfort in its security. Were Ukraine to fall into the Western sphere, would Russia grow dangerous.

The dangerous man here has always been Zelensky. I think Zelensky is a true believer. I think he honestly believes that the West will fight for Ukraine, if he can just appeal to the good nature within people. Because he's a liberal, his moral matrix would indicate that all he has to show is brave people standing up to a bully and suffering and the good liberals of the West will act.

That said, this won't work. Biden, mentally diminished as he is, isn't going to go to war with Russia over Ukraine. All Zelensky has succeed and will succeed is the US hardening its stance against Russia and imposing harsher sanctions. That will cause widespread famine across Africa and the Middle East, with price hikes across the world--but we won't be firing a shot at the Russians.

The problem of course being, that Russia is also utterly incapable of victory.

No, Russia is fully capable of winning the war. They are in fact, fairly well on track to do so. Shocking as it may be, but wars can last more than two weeks before being considered hopeless. Just an FYI. The only real difficulty that Russia is going to face is in the occupation of Ukraine, which another member has already gone into great detail. Anything East of the Dnieper River will be well under Russia's thumb. Anything West will be a breeding ground for rebels.

And will result in lots and lots of dead Ukrainians. The Russians don't give a shit about things like "winning them over". US soldiers? They'll go door to door with interpreters to speak to the locals and win over their support and aid. The Russians? They'll kick the door in, lay down a beating, and steal everything of value that they can carry off to the next house, where they'll repeat the process again and again. The Russians really do not give a single fuck.

Can't speak to that actually working, but it's the most likely scenario.
 
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May I ask why you think Maus is propaganda? Yes, WW2 has been heavily mythologized, but what specifically about Maus did you think was suspect?

Didn't they ban the book somewhere in the West ?

I don't considered it propaganda. In fact, it seems a genuine work of art. Doesn't mean words and as far as I remember it, he doesn't call all Western European as Nazis or some cretinous idiocy like that.
 
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also Russians With Attitude.

 
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How about we support neither.
As X said.
Tell that to the people actively cheering the Russians on. :cautious:
Realistically one side has a growing communist movement in its country, if you look at, iirc, the Duma in Russia, the second biggest group is Commies. If not the Duma then the other one.
So yeah commies vs Nazis.
Have a feeling all the "Let them eat cake" shit spouted off by celebs and their ilk will age gloriously.
I mean definitely seems like it
 
Realistically one side has a growing communist movement in its country, if you look at, iirc, the Duma in Russia, the second biggest group is Commies.
Communists have been second largest party in Duma for the last twenty years, but in the nineties they were the biggest party, so their influence is waning, despite alarmist articles by experts.
 
Communists have been second largest party in Duma for the last twenty years, but in the nineties they were the biggest party, so their influence is waning, despite alarmist articles by experts.
I mean...is it wanning though?
They seem to be holding power pretty well
 
If you go way back and watch all the videos the has done from 2016 till now. You will see a very clear grifting pattern at work. But don't just take my word for it look those videos up. It will take your some hours of watching but your eyes will be opened.
I am not watching every video some guy on YouTube has made since 2016. I will say what I have seen, and if you have evidence of some other motive, I would like to see itI have seen some of his stuff, and from what I have taken he is a man who beleives the current order is collapsing, not really out there since every geopolitical expert has been saying the same, and that he feels the future is a return to tribalism, again not an out there assesmeant. The difference being whereas others mourn the death of globalism, he welcomes it. So again that isn’t a grift.
Realistically one side has a growing communist movement in its country, if you look at, iirc, the Duma in Russia, the second biggest group is Commies. If not the Duma then the other one.
So yeah commies vs Nazis
if your argument is that we should attack everywhere with a growing communist movement which is something I am ok with, then what do we do about the United States because at this point I would be willing to bet I would find more communists in our government than in Russia.
 
Communists have been second largest party in Duma for the last twenty years, but in the nineties they were the biggest party, so their influence is waning, despite alarmist articles by experts.
Their voter base is people of 50+ years of age, they are gradually waning.
Russian communist party is supported by the last generation of people who lived in the USSR.

As they pass away, the support for them disappears.

It's just a bunch of nostalgic old people.
 
Didn't they ban the book somewhere in the West ?

I don't considered it propaganda. In fact, it seems a genuine work of art. Doesn't mean words and as far as I remember it, he doesn't call all Western European as Nazis or some cretinous idiocy like that.

It wasn't banned. It was removed from a school districts curriculum... Allegedly for nudity or some other dumb reason, whatever. Then the DEMONCRATS jumped on it for showing how Republicans are anti semitic and CRT doesn't exist and Cancel Culture is only Republican blah blah blah.

We had a thread on it. Good discussion.

 


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Ah Ammonia isn't important for the world. "Looks up what Ammonia is used for." :eek:



Well folks, Russia has this in the bag. They created a real economy based on self-sufficiency in food and insourced production while avoiding financialization. In this they emulated the ideals of Hamilton which was US policy till Reagan came and switched the US to Capitalism which the founding fathers had rejected as crackpottery pushed by a crackpot.

As Italy implodes, the cascade failures will break the EU and spread wider.
 


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Ah Ammonia isn't important for the world. "Looks up what Ammonia is used for." :eek:



Well folks, Russia has this in the bag. They created a real economy based on self-sufficiency in food and insourced production while avoiding financialization. In this they emulated the ideals of Hamilton which was US policy till Reagan came and switched the US to Capitalism which the founding fathers had rejected as crackpottery pushed by a crackpot.

As Italy implodes, the cascade failures will break the EU and spread wider.

The Russia Self Sufficiency is a Great big Giant as Farce.





China is propping them up. If China gets sanctioned Russia will collapse economically.
 
The Russia Self Sufficiency is a Great big Giant as Farce.





China is propping them up. If China gets sanctioned Russia will collapse economically.
Uh, China getting santioned over helping Russia is already happening, at least on the specific firm/individual level.

Santioning China in general is what would likely cause them to say 'Fuck It' and go for Taiwan.
 
Uh, China getting santioned over helping Russia is already happening, at least on the specific firm/individual level.

Santioning China in general is what would likely cause them to say 'Fuck It' and go for Taiwan.
And they will run directly into the minefield Taiwan has been putting up for the past month an a half. Taiwan has been busy on the downlow making any invasion by the CCP more costly than it is worth.
 




Well alrighty then, guess that's a nudge-nudge, wink-wink to certain Eastern European nations that if they decide to do something about Ukraine, the US will still defend them.

Guess WW3 is a go.

F*** NATO.

If they want a war, they can fight one themselves.

I'm going into semi-permanent exile (in Kazakhstan) if I hear even the whispers of a draft.
 

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