You assume the CCP has not also kept an eye on that, and planned around it.
Then again, it wouldn't be WW3 if we didn't have an Asian-Pacific front as well.
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Then again, it wouldn't be WW3 if we didn't have an Asian-Pacific front as well.
Chiron
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This is utter bunk. Russia controls the world's food, fertilizer, and oil trade and by removing theirs from production and circulation, they already got the Middle East to fold and not answer Biden's calls while taking his calls.
You can't eat dollars. And ME dictators need to feed the people or the Army turns on them for breach of contract. If half of the Egyptian Military nopes out like in Syria, it be civil war for years. The coup against the MB Government discredited voting and democracy so the next iteration will be Taliban like and not even bother to integrate the old regime like the MB tried and failed to do, they will destroy them instead and put its own people in charge top to bottom.
Also Egypt has a far larger population than Syria and Afghanistan for that matter and a lot more military gear as well. Libya next to it is already a failed state.
Egypt collapsing will just destroy the world economy completely and your 2 best options are a Turkish led Middle East or an Iranian led Middle East.
Well the minefields can be cleared by use of nuclear weapons in a legitimate fashion that won't invite retaliation and help mask the aerial assault for a vital few minutes from the ROC's radars as they adjust to the nuclear whiteout.
I wasn't going to say it, but I had nearly the same thought; tac-nukes to clear naval mine-fields is definitely a possibilty the CCP might look at.
The United States produces more Fertilizer than Russia Dude. https://www.nationmaster.com/nmx/ranking/nitrogen-fertilizer-production
And the US Exports the most food as well. Which Countries Export the Most Food?
When you make a damn statement you have better have the data to back it up bub.
Did you just say Minefields can be cleared by nukes. Dude did you really not read what you just wrote. What do you think will happen if China drops any kind of nuke near Taiwan? I will help you out. It is called we just permakilled our economy forever.
You clearly ignore the fact that China and India are the top 2 producers and both are pro-Russian.
That doesn't bode well.
It's true.
But Russia has decreased it's dependence on food imports by a wide margin.
Russian Federation Food Products Imports by country 2019 | WITS Data (worldbank.org)
bne IntelliNews - Russia has become an agricultural powerhouse, but remains a net importer of food
2014 was just a trap. And you goombahs fell right in.
Sanctions only encouraged Russia to further develop it's own agricultural industry and encourage Russian entrepreneurs in that sector.
AFAIK, modern sea mines are rather resistant to demining.
Especially the use of explosives.
Or so says the "Principles of Naval Warfare Systems, Second Edition by Craig Payne"
There is a loophole though.
Decoys that can produce the same acoustic signature as the targets.
Much like what Russia is doing with their drones right now.
Really? That's the people driving around Ukraine in Russian vehicles flying the Soviet flag?
It mostly a symbolic thing capitalized upon by Russian media.
Why not fly the Soviet flag and battle standard if you're fighting neo-Nazis?
I know I would, just for the memes.
Also, it boosts morale for the Russians.
Floridaman
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And if we sanction china as well .... we collapse because we offshored our manufacturing.
sillygoose
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If China gets sanctioned then the world economy collapses.
TheRomanSlayer
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The Reddit guy must have been playing too much Command and Conquer.
The Babylon Bee Has Obtained This Exclusive Photo Of The Ghost Of Kyiv
KYIV—Legends tell of a heroic fighter ace patrolling the skies above Ukraine, single-handedly beating back Russian air power. Latest reports indicate he has shot down between 13 and 793 enemy aircraft since the Russian army invaded over a week ago.
babylonbee.com
Chiron
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Nitrogen is just one fertilizer that is also needed for explosives, ammonia and potash are the other 2 big ones and their removal will crash the food supply.
Also the food exports are in dollar value, not tons or even specific types.
So what if America exports tomatoes and other high value produce? Egypt needs wheat, rice, and potatoes.
Russia produced 85.9 million metric tons of wheat in 2020, US produced 49.7 metric million tons in the same time period.
22.5 million metric tons of potatoes are also grown in Russia vs 18.8 million metric tons in the US.
Corn is another story, but the bulk of it is not actually consumed in food, but its not as simple as say pulling it from cattle feed and ethanol production to give to humans due to the specific corn breeds used. Also it would crash the cattle industry which barely survived the Covid Shock.
Rice production is dominated by nations friendly to or neutral to Russia.
16.99 million metric tons of Barley in 2020 makes Russia the dominant grower, adding Ukraine to the mix adds 7.34 million metric tons to their lead.
So in actual hard currency, Russia can and will fuck the world, because money is not currency, its a claim on currency which another can agree to honor or not honor if they have the might to make their refusal stick.
As for nukes, hey, China is the dominant industrial power, thanks to Reaganites throwing out the wisdom of our Founding Fathers and embracing capitalism which our Founding Fathers viewed as crackpottery pushed by a crackpot who doesn't understand how currency works or societies function.
Good luck cutting them off without a plan to re-industrialize.
Floridaman
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Seems as realistic as a lot of what we have heard on twitter.The Babylon Bee Has Obtained This Exclusive Photo Of The Ghost Of Kyiv
KYIV—Legends tell of a heroic fighter ace patrolling the skies above Ukraine, single-handedly beating back Russian air power. Latest reports indicate he has shot down between 13 and 793 enemy aircraft since the Russian army invaded over a week ago.
You seemed to have missed a lot of production leaving China and coming back to the US or friendly nations due to the Wu Flu.
We've been slowly reindustrializing the past few years, and it will only keep picking up the pace.
Edit: More on topic:
Chiron
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Stopped under Biden who undid Trump's policies.
As for the pilot, so what? If every Russian Airline Pilot revolted, then you are getting somewhere.
sillygoose
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Got some figures on that? From what I've seen it is extremely limited onshoring.
Dude you can't be reached. So I won't even try any more. Keep shilling for Putin. But don't be surprised when all the things you are advocating paint you and your side in a very bad light. And you will not be able to back tract from any of it. Enjoy digging your own hole. History will not be kind to your side.
Chiron
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I despise Putin. But I also deal in realities. You do not.
Chiron
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Actually US won't trade Chicago for any European City. The only real question is what Putin calculates is the minimum buffer space for Russian Security Interests and how much Russian Blood is needed to accomplish it.
All else is irrelevant.
EU's decision to disarm itself while shitting on Russia and keeping out Turkey who they need to have a viable European Army was beyond stupid.
And if Turkey enters Russia's camp, Europe is indefensible and Greece will jump ship as well so Russia and Turkey don't get ideals at their expense because now Greece is in Russia's camp.
As for the US, we're in the midst of catastrophic systemic collapse, already fighting a low level civil war since 2020, and have bifurcating societies with their own infrastructures and cultures forming. We're already out of the fight.
Clearly staged for dramatics, but the serials show they are Ukrainian.
Another cut, seems this was from a few days ago, ambush involved an NLAW. Ambushers were killed. [50.615000, 30.861389] is where this took place and its in Russian Hands currently.
Bill dopeslaps his fellow Neocons. He is using primarily Western Sources, so his information is out of date. Chernihiv was surrounded days ago. Only infiltrators can slip though. Fast convoys utilizing artillery barrages to cover them are no longer possible with E95 cut at Kozelets.
The map doesn't lie and the Russian Advance in the south is going for the kill.
This reiterates what I have said before, Kyiv and the other fronts are double feints. Their purpose is to hold UkA in place for the Southern Front which faces less resistance and has more secure LOCs to go for the Dnieper. Also would explain why the oil and weapons depots plus Dnipro bridges weren't hit till recently. Russia wants as much of the UkA west of the Dnieper as possible for their complete operational encirclement and destruction.
The completion of which will inflict a total operational defeat of the Ukrainian State far outstripping all the losses the RuA has suffered so far and making it harder for a post war insurgency to form as the core of it will be in POW Camps after a no doubt show march down Red Square with municipal street washers behind them to clean the street behind them. DPR/LPR did the same thing several years back.
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Erdogan has consistently pissed everyone off, not just the Russians.
And consistently his efforts have been undermined.
He has also turned Turkey's economy into a total mess.
And need I remind you that he has been aiding ISIS and trafficking in oil stolen from Syria?
Also, since when did Assad murder children?