Armchair General's DonbAss Derailed Discussion Thread (Topics Include History, Traps, and the Ongoing Slavic Civil War plus much much more)

History Learner said:
I didn't watch the video, I was just able to post a screenshot of it with my magical powers, clearly. C'mon tough guy, you can do a better fake bluster than that.

Leaving aside the interesting claim that Javelins and Stingers are "old Soviet era stockpiles" which should make everyone question your credentials to comment on these things, the bit about getting modern replacements is what is center to the claim of whether NATO is running out....and which he directly admits they are, as I literally cited him saying with the screenshot. For someone who claims to have watched the video, it's quite funny you seem to have skipped the only relevant part, which says NATO can't replace the Stingers or Javelins, at least for the next several years.

Doesn't matter how good your doctrine is, which is a dubious claim in of itself as demonstrated from the lack of any recent NATO success in military affairs, if you don't have the tools of the trade. Care to explain how a piece of paper is going to stop T-90s rolling into Poland if you don't have ATGMs? Same goes for NATO's air and naval forces, unless you have suddenly discovered a means of destroyers to fight on land lol.
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Since you don't know what combined armed assets NATO has.....
List of active United States Air Force aircraft - Wikipedia
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And this is not even all of the assets of the other NATO members. Do you really think the stingers and javelins were the main anti air and anti ground weapons NATO has. They are a small suppliment not the main fist of NATO.
 
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So we are already at the "Russian sailor's are mutinying and refusing to go to sea" stage of when Russia begins to lose a war.
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What was that in 1905? battleship Patiomkin? but remember,tsar survived that.So,Putin could survive,too.
 
Zachowon said:
Look up the cruiser Aurora an her history.
Then say the Tsar survived
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Well,then he died.But - 10 years earlier he survived.And still do not learn anything.Putin would not learn,too.
If he survive.
Best for Europe - USA could not sell us to Putin,but other KGB colonel would be new good enlightened russian leader.Who,of course,must get Ukraine,Poland,and rest of Europe,too.
 
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Zachowon said:
And do you really think if the US needed we couldn't make up for any and all of those losses?
I mean we still can outproduce our equipment then both China and Russia.
I mean Russia is sending in T62s and not T14s..
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You are probable right.
But - it is Moscov lead by KGB colonel.They are perfectly capable of killing part of their own army,and still keep some hidden reserves capable of taking at least Warsaw.
Becouse,they,unlike USA,they would not lost election when too many of their soldiers die.
Becouse there is no elections there.
 
PsihoKekec said:
The western supply of transport vehicles is really turning the situation around

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I see you've never seen the kinds improvised BS American rednecks can come up with.

A push lawnmower engine can and has been used to power 1-wheel-drive racecars with no safety features or brakes whatsoever built to look like pre-WWII racecars and then raced on forest dirt tracks because ... "Please hold my beer and watch this".
 
PsihoKekec said:
The western supply of transport vehicles is really turning the situation around

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During war in Croatia, Croatian Army used crop dusters with bombs created from hot water boilers to bomb Serb positions.

The catch? Crop dusters were so slow that they didn't register as valid targets on Serb air defense radars. So they had effective immunity against air defenses, at least for a few weeks before Serbs solved that issue.

So yeah. Just because something is stupid, doesn't mean it doesn't work.
 
Aldarion said:
During war in Croatia, Croatian Army used crop dusters with bombs created from hot water boilers to bomb Serb positions.

The catch? Crop dusters were so slow that they didn't register as valid targets on Serb air defense radars. So they had effective immunity against air defenses, at least for a few weeks before Serbs solved that issue.

So yeah. Just because something is stupid, doesn't mean it doesn't work.
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That's not completely true, An-2 they used for night time bombing were getting away with it because Serbs had no air defenses near Vukovar, as they didn't think they would need it. Eventually they moved a SA-6 battery near the town and it shot down one airplane, Croatian air raids ceased afterwards. Even if you are stationary, your surfaces still reflects the radar beams so radars can see you and double wings of An-2 are an excellent beam reflectors. The low speed can be used in combination with terrain masking to avoid AA defenses, but the terrain around Vukovar is rather flat, so they would have to fly the nape of earth to make it work, but that would make the vulnerable to small arms fire.

The worst part is that while the bombing attacks had only psychological effects, they elucidated Serbs on Croatian nighttime air operations and after SAMs were moved into area, they were unable to drop supplies to defenders of Vukovar anymore, a role that was far more important, as for them every bullet and rocket counted.

The airplanes that actually boggled the radars were the Po-2, who were canvas covered, but there were none in flyable condition in ex-Yugoslavia in 1991.
 
PsihoKekec said:
That's not completely true, An-2 they used for night time bombing were getting away with it because Serbs had no air defenses near Vukovar, as they didn't think they would need it. Eventually they moved a SA-6 battery near the town and it shot down one airplane, Croatian air raids ceased afterwards. Even if you are stationary, your surfaces still reflects the radar beams so radars can see you and double wings of An-2 are an excellent beam reflectors. The low speed can be used in combination with terrain masking to avoid AA defenses, but the terrain around Vukovar is rather flat, so they would have to fly the nape of earth to make it work, but that would make the vulnerable to small arms fire.

The worst part is that while the bombing attacks had only psychological effects, they elucidated Serbs on Croatian nighttime air operations and after SAMs were moved into area, they were unable to drop supplies to defenders of Vukovar anymore, a role that was far more important, as for them every bullet and rocket counted.

The airplanes that actually boggled the radars were the Po-2, who were canvas covered, but there were none in flyable condition in ex-Yugoslavia in 1991.
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It still took 16 missiles to achieve that one shootdown. But yes, supply flights ceased afterwards.

As for radar, issue with radar is that it sees everything - birds, trees and so on. So basically, what radar software does is that it simply ignores things that fly at below certain speed treshold. Croatian An-2s flew at speeds below 140 kph, which is the treshold that Serb radar systems had been programmed to ignore. In other words, it didn't matter if they had radar signature of an Iowa-class battleship, they would still have been effectively invisible to Serb radars until Serbs solved that particular issue.
 
Zachowon said:
Look up the cruiser Aurora an her history.
Then say the Tsar survived
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Aurora fled to the Phillipines during/after Tsushima.

The US - which the Phillipines was part of at the time - could have kept her. The US didn't keep her for an assortment of reasons.
 
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