Armchair General's DonbAss Derailed Discussion Thread (Topics Include History, Traps, and the Ongoing Slavic Civil War plus much much more)

I mean, it seems western tech has done better then Rusdian tech.
Why else would all of the Eastern NATO countries be wanting Western stuff?

The West also produces much more scientific research than Russia does:


There might be a connection between quality of tech and level of science production. More prestigious civilizations can generally shine brighter on both of these measures.

Interestingly enough, Russia is a desert in regards to scientific research relative to the US, Western Europe, and East Asia:

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The billions of Ukraine aid package was passed and then a cold war relic advocates a peace settlement?

Isn't that kinda suspicious?
 
It means Kissenger is loosing money in some shady Russian investments.
He's 98 (almost 99) years old. He might already be going a bit senile. Seriously.
He said it in front of the WEF the same one with their Great Reset ideas.

Frankly I believe with the grift aid package being approved they're now going to take peace as an option because of the money being approved.
 
He said it in front of the WEF the same one with their Great Reset ideas.

Frankly I believe with the grift aid package being approved they're now going to take peace as an option because of the money being approved.

Losing Kherson won't be very pleasant for the Ukrainians, though. I think that any Ukrainian leader who'll agree to such terms will get politically crucified in the next elections.
 
Losing Kherson won't be very pleasant for the Ukrainians, though. I think that any Ukrainian leader who'll agree to such terms will get politically crucified in the next elections.
Losing any territory is unpleasant but if they can't take and hold it with what they have they'll lose it like that Armenian.
 
I will just put this here.



I take it you didn't watch it yourself? To sum it up:

"The weapons being shipped to fight Russia where designed and stock piled to fight Russia and because they are fighting Russia with the weapons designed to fight Russia there is no need to panic about a reduction in weapons designed to fight Russia."

The obvious logical disconnect being that the rhetoric made here actually proves the original argument the video was trying to argue against. Hell, he even admits it in the video itself:

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I take it you didn't watch it yourself? To sum it up:

"The weapons being shipped to fight Russia where designed and stock piled to fight Russia and because they are fighting Russia with the weapons designed to fight Russia there is no need to panic about a reduction in weapons designed to fight Russia."

The obvious logical disconnect being that the rhetoric made here actually proves the original argument the video was trying to argue against.
No Numbnutts I have watched this video. And if you did you would know that NATO countries giving Ukraine their old Soviet Era stockpiles will be getting more modern NATO standard replacement to make up for it. The video also goes into the fact that NATO Navies and Air Forces are still a thing. And NATOs combined arm nature is what makes the Alliance Strong. Not just certain pieces of ground kit. You clearly didn't watch this video.
 
No Numbnutts I have watched this video. And if you did you would know that NATO countries giving Ukraine their old Soviet Era stockpiles will be getting more modern NATO standard replacement to make up for it. The video also goes into the fact that NATO Navies and Air Forces are still a thing. And NATOs combined arm nature is what makes the Alliance Strong. Not just certain pieces of ground kit. You clearly didn't watch this video.

I didn't watch the video, I was just able to post a screenshot of it with my magical powers, clearly.

Leaving aside the interesting claim that Javelins and Stingers are "old Soviet era stockpiles" which should make everyone question your credentials to comment on these things, the bit about getting modern replacements is what is center to the claim of whether NATO is running out....and which he directly admits they are, as I literally cited him saying with the screenshot. For someone who claims to have watched the video, it's quite funny you seem to have skipped the only relevant part, which says NATO can't replace the Stingers or Javelins, at least for the next several years.

Doesn't matter how good your doctrine is, which is a dubious claim in of itself as demonstrated from the lack of any recent NATO success in military affairs, if you don't have the tools of the trade. Care to explain how a piece of paper is going to stop T-90s rolling into Poland if you don't have ATGMs? Same goes for NATO's air and naval forces, unless you have suddenly discovered a means of destroyers to fight on land lol.
 
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I didn't watch the video, I was just able to post a screenshot of it with my magical powers, clearly. C'mon tough guy, you can do a better fake bluster than that.

Leaving aside the interesting claim that Javelins and Stingers are "old Soviet era stockpiles" which should make everyone question your credentials to comment on these things, the bit about getting modern replacements is what is center to the claim of whether NATO is running out....and which he directly admits they are, as I literally cited him saying with the screenshot. For someone who claims to have watched the video, it's quite funny you seem to have skipped the only relevant part, which says NATO can't replace the Stingers or Javelins, at least for the next several years.
Can you stop for a moment with your usual childish rhetorical games about who said what and misinterpreting it in a way that suits your side and discuss the matter of fact instead?

Doesn't matter how good your doctrine is, which is a dubious claim in of itself as demonstrated from the lack of any recent NATO success in military affairs, if you don't have the tools of the trade. Care to explain how a piece of paper is going to stop T-90s rolling into Poland if you don't have ATGMs?
That's exactly one of the major points that video makes. If NATO is down to being critically reliant on infantry weapons to stop Russian tanks and aircraft, despite their losses in Ukraine, that means something went very, very wrong, because that means they somehow survived F-35's, F-16's, F-15's, F-18's, M1's, Leo 2's, PT-91's, a variety of ATGM carrying IFVs, Patriots and a miscellany of other allied NATO equipment that is not being sent to Ukraine because it's too advanced and too hard to strip of sensitive NATO electronics.
Also i would like to remind you that even in infantry ATGMs, Javelins are not the only model US military is using.

Same goes for NATO's air and naval forces, unless you have suddenly discovered a means of destroyers to fight on land lol.
Your snickering only reveals your ignorance, guess Tomahawk missiles are not memorable enough for you.
 

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