Not possible.Putin soldiers belived that they win till 6.3.22,so he could not fear attack from such weak enemy.Of course,if he planned to kill russian army,it not matter.
Armchair General's DonbAss Derailed Discussion Thread (Topics Include History, Traps, and the Ongoing Slavic Civil War plus much much more)
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sillygoose
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They're obviously pictures of destroyed tanks. You just seem to think that unverified pictures are indisputable proof that they were of actual Russian tanks lost in combat, not propaganda pictures of old equipment.
That's rich coming from you.
planefag
A Flying Bundle of Sticks
Propaganda pictures that are very frequently geolocated to actual sites in Ukraine that are known to be active battlefields and conflict areas? Lol OK
EDIT: Unless you're trying to claim that the losses are old and not recent, in which case you're totally ignorant that the entire fucking point of what this guy does is to catalog each loss with saved images, accessible on his site, so he can cross-reference new losses against old ones and verify if it's new or just the same tank photographed from different angles.
You could check yourself but you won't.
Arch Dornan
Oh, lovely. They've sent me a mo-ron.
I'm stating a a tried and true characteristic of military technology competition.
When the other side says they have something despite no actual evidence proving otherwise, the lobbyists and arms industry encourage the notion if only to get that funding.
We got plenty of articles about drones thanks to Armenia now those super duper missiles will be the most recent fad to write about and for those in power to poke the defence industry about.
sillygoose
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And? Just because pictures were taken near battle zones doesn't mean their of Russian tanks. Could very well be knocked out Ukrainian tanks, older gear from previous battles as Ukraine has been fighting since 2014, or even old shit Ukraine blew up itself for propaganda pics. My point is just because you have some incidental info doesn't mean it is confirmed as being authentic. But hey I guess you need a gimmick for your blog.
Arch Dornan
Oh, lovely. They've sent me a mo-ron.
I have no doubts it's basically another land grab.
It's not about them being weak but a growing problem with Western support while dealing with an ongoing proxy war with raids and brushfire in the seized territories before the invasion.
I mean can you explain how the Ukrainians get thier hands on so much Russian systems that have to be retrofitted to fit thier gear?
planefag
A Flying Bundle of Sticks
LMFAO this is desperate fucking cope. Russia doesn't operate the T-64BV outside of the ones the separatists have, Ukraine's T-72 is the AMT variant which has very distinctive ERA panels and they have too few T-80s to be worth mentioning. And there's scads and scads of vehicles that Ukraine just doesn't have at all (anything newer than 1991, pretty much every Russian T-72 variant including the T-90,) and Ukrainian vehicles that Russia doesn't have (BTR-3/BTR-4 etc.) Just because you're too ignorant to tell the difference between tank variants doesn't mean these guys are.
But of course if you can't pretend, what do you have left? Because me and mine, we've got pictures of - lessee - two thousand seven hundred and ninety nine blasted geeks with Z's on 'em and what the fuck do you have? Oh right, some clowns posing with five spent NLAW tubes as they claim they totally mean to get bogged down for over a month north of Kyiv as the Ukrainians chewed their asses off and sent them packing with their blasted tanks strewn about the landscape. As the murdered bodies of brutalized civilians are pulled out of Kyivs suburbs by the hundreds all you can do is whine "B-B-B-UT THE NAZIS" just like the lefties were doing four four goddamned years during Trump, except even more pathetic, because at least they could claim that the genocide Orange Man was supposedly going to conduct might still happen "any day now" but the one we said these rampaging barbarians you shill for would do has.
It's gotta sting, doesn't it? After so many years of licking Putin's taint, of praising the Mighty Invincible SAM shield, having to watch Das Rodina get its ass whipped by fucking bargain-bin Turkish drones applying MAM's directly to the AESA? Must be real fun watching SU-34s making rocket attacks on the deck and repeatedly eating shit from Stingers for it because they literally don't have enough LGBs. Fuckers can't even pull off a Desert Storm thirty fucking years after Desert Storm! And when their big fancy EW systems go into action, the uber-spooki clever wunderwaffen what enables that ~electromagnetic maneuver~ it gets CAPTURED INTACT AND SHIPPED TO GERMANY FOR THE AMERICANS TO TAKE APART BOLT BY BOLT LAWDY LAWDY
Of course you can't look at the pictures. You cling to your Telegram horseshit like a drowning man, as if some Nice Slav on the internet can say enough soothing words to erase the gigantic fucking catastrophe playing out before your eyes as the Ukrainian Armed Forces spread Putin's asshole wider than the English Channel.
Cope.
And then?
Seethe.
AnimalNoodles
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Boy are you going to be disappointed soon when the russians apply deep battle to the donbass and you see just who is spreading who.
planefag
A Flying Bundle of Sticks
Yeah I've heard this one before. "SURELY they will win once they start fighting according to their doctrine!" said the nervous P.hD.s that've made a career about being Smart About War People. "They were holding back due to flawed assumptions about being greeted as liberators. But once they fight like they are TRAINED to they'll prevail! A-any day now!"
And then what happened? Blyatkrieg. There can be no other word for it; an attempt to implement classic Soviet "deep battle" doctrine (aka blitzkrieg gangam-style) by a bunch of paste-eating toddlers wiping their ass on the carpet like a dog. Thunder-running around to achieve Bold Surprise, but doing it down fucking roads that led them straight into ambushes and well-planned artillery fire. Attempting deep penetration tactics against an enemy that had dispersed to avoid massed initial fires, because 2014 happened and the Ukrainians DO have a memory longer than a goldfish. Trying to bust into the enemy rear areas with no fucking idea of how they'd get out again if things went pear-shaped.
“Blyatkrieg, Noun: The belief that you can conduct a style of maneuver warfare dependent on rapid, aggressive movement to catch your enemy unawares and leave him confused as to your position and objectives, when using unsecured commercial radios with American SIGINT/ELINT assets hovering nearby.”
Oh, you sweet summer Slavaboo, you are in for a goddamned surprise.
sillygoose
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Ok?
AnimalNoodles
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We'll see I guess.
sillygoose
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Nice 'sperg out bro
strunkenwhite
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Moving here proactively:
The ability to make modern motherboards doesn't imply the ability to make modern processors. Also from the article:
edit: a short wiki walk suggests that Russia does have at least one native manufacturer capable of producing processors a mere 20 years behind the cutting edge, but who knows how well they'll manage after being slapped with the new sanctions.
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sillygoose
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My response with articles is here, not sure why your post was moved here, but mine wasn't:
To expand a little on this, Gemini did this before Apollo and was actually quite a bit more maneuverable, as the considerably smaller size and lighter weight of the capsule allowed for a more flexible design. The Gemini was sufficiently maneuverable during descent that later flights were able to reliably splash down *within sight* of the recovery carriers, and the main reason earlier ones didn't was they weren't allowed to try cutting so close for safety reasons.
strunkenwhite
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It's because (Thanos voice) I did it myself.
On the first article, if I'm not mistaken the most advanced of these efforts is the same one I found on Wikipedia and described as "20 years behind the cutting edge", Mikron Group, although to be fair just going by the nanometer size is doubtless oversimplifying.Just one article talking about their production, I'm not suggesting that is the only production they're engaged it, but that would be classified. Nevertheless some older articles do give hints about what might be built up in Russia:
Of course the movement of international chips are quite opaque and Russia could get what they need anyway:
Drones still filled with Western parts:
Don’t Use Chips to Play Poker With Putin
Semiconductor blockades are powerful sanctions—but may not prove effective with Russia.foreignpolicy.com
China’s response key to Russia’s semiconductor supply | Argus Media
The impact of the latest round of sanctions on Russian semiconductor imports will depend on whether the international community can pressure China — the country's largest supplier — into also complying.www.argusmedia.com
On the second, I think it's fair to say that the flow of computer hardware won't be completely cut off, but that doesn't mean Russia "can get what they need anyway".
1. Sanction evasion via complexity of the market would probably be quite small in comparison to what would be successfully cut off.
2. It's a decent idea that strategically critical manufacturers can tell the government to pound sand and get away with it because the government can't afford to blacklist them, but we've been surprised before at the willingness of both the government and business worlds to stick it to Russia despite the consequences.
3. I feel like the article is trying to have it both ways with 'the sanctions are a no-go because of the hardship already imposed on the west by semiconductor shortages' versus 'but Russia can afford to lose 30% on top of that'.
4. If the black market's already being relied on by Russia, there may be limits on how much it can realistically expand that pipeline, especially when at the same time the west cares more about cracking down than it did previously.
5. China's not going to war for Russia. At best, this talking point is a supporting argument for #3 in that Biden can't afford to go after China too hard if it flouts efforts to cut Russia off. (Because in that case Russia would just be the spark of a more direct US-China battle.)
On the third, more on China. It's true that China's response will be key. But it's far from given that it will so much as continue its normal supply unabated, let alone make up for the shortage of western business. Huawei, for example, seems to be straddling the fence rather than standing firm on Russia's side.
And y'know if those drones are stuffed with western tech, that implies that the Chinese stuff is second choice at best. Russia will certainly take second choice over nothing but that's another blow.
sillygoose
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I'm not claiming that sanctions have zero impact, just that they are survivable in the context of the current conflict. In the event of war with NATO it would be a problem, but in the Ukraine war I think they will be able to keep up the tempo as it current exists with available supplies. It remains an open question how much the US can actually crack down or how much effort is actually being put into globally cracking down, especially when there has been so much resistance by the majority of the world to enacting sanctions. China is treading carefully, but that doesn't mean they aren't providing untraceable clandestine support. US HumInt has degraded badly in the last 10 years. No one is claiming China is going to war for Russia, just that they are doing more than is probably acknowledged publicly and at least publicly Chinese companies are being cautious, but not ending their business in Russia for the most part. To that point there is probably quite a bit more clandestine business with Russia by everyone than anyone wants to admit as well, not just China. US global influence is faltering given how they've been acting as bullies; so people will publicly toe the line, but will stick it to the US behind the scenes in retaliation.
Sure. Chinese products are more for the civilian market, but as the article points out the western tech was mostly off the shelf consumer stuff and from before the current round of sanctions, so Chinese tech could fill that gap for some roles like drones. It is a blow, but not a crippling one.