AI/Automation Megathread

Ideologues cannot sustain a police state, because they'll be far too busy purity-spiraling to keep popular revolts from fucking up infrastructure. No matter how far you extrapolate current technology, there's no avoiding the fact one madman with an axe and a map of power plants can seriously threaten a major city unless flawlessly watched out for.

Omnipresent surveillance means nothing if you cannot maintain any means of capitalizing on it. And we do not yet have the basic kind of technology to automate that. If the absurdity you're doomsaying about is tried without truly new tech, it will implode like all central planning in history has, for the same reason that the people in charge do not know how everything works.

Take a look at the estimates of what it'd take to switch to electric cars. That's a small part of the energy demands of what you're suggesting, and not a single major city on Earth can remotely plausibly handle it, before ideological retardation purges fossil fuel central generation. Take a look at California's energy instability, and realize those are the people you're worried about.
Wow, how about twisting what I said into something unrecognizable. We've got far too many people with more ideology than sense, and money for these people is just a stepping stone for said ideologies at best...
 
Wow, how about twisting what I said into something unrecognizable. We've got far too many people with more ideology than sense, and money for these people is just a stepping stone for said ideologies at best...
When modernity ends the ideologis get purged mostly by other idelogues.
 
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Chinese robots building a dam. Looks like we have a winner here!
Riiiiggghhhhtttt.... I don't see how this could possibly go wrong... oh wait I can. Hopefully, the stupid things have human oversight or else you may encounter a few problems while they are building because someone programmed in the instructions wrong.
 
Riiiiggghhhhtttt.... I don't see how this could possibly go wrong... oh wait I can. Hopefully, the stupid things have human oversight or else you may encounter a few problems while they are building because someone programmed in the instructions wrong.

This is pretty much the age of hubris coming out and fucking people up.

Every one is suffering from this problem however.
 

Oh my gosh, this is going to be one of the most comedic (and hopefully not tragic) wastes of money the CCP manages yet.

Anyone want to place bets on what percentage of intended height it gets to before partial or total collapse?

I'm betting somewhere between fifty and sixty percent.
 
Oh my gosh, this is going to be one of the most comedic (and hopefully not tragic) wastes of money the CCP manages yet.

Anyone want to place bets on what percentage of intended height it gets to before partial or total collapse?

I'm betting somewhere between fifty and sixty percent.

The real comedy is going to be outdated 1950s era takes like this when China is the world's largest economy and the United States has underwent it's own version of the Soviet collapse. Every single serious, sober analysis of Chinese AI abilities has them either matching us or surpassing us; Department of Defense has effectively already conceded the Chinese Industrial base has overtaken us with all that entails to any sort of long term struggle.
 
The real comedy is going to be outdated 1950s era takes like this when China is the world's largest economy and the United States has underwent it's own version of the Soviet collapse. Every single serious, sober analysis of Chinese AI abilities has them either matching us or surpassing us; Department of Defense has effectively already conceded the Chinese Industrial base has overtaken us with all that entails to any sort of long term struggle.

It's amusing that you think that.


Combine this with the awkwardness of trying to replace human labor completely with robots, instead of having the two complement each other, and things will get interesting.
 
It's amusing that you think that.


Combine this with the awkwardness of trying to replace human labor completely with robots, instead of having the two complement each other, and things will get interesting.
The thing is, this probably makes the robots more desirable. The robot's not going to steal supplies nor use bamboo in place of steel unless it's deliberately programmed to and in that case they will have an obvious trail to who did it. removing the human element in a super-corrupt society is desirable for the leadership.
 
The thing is, this probably makes the robots more desirable. The robot's not going to steal supplies nor use bamboo in place of steel unless it's deliberately programmed to and in that case they will have an obvious trail to who did it. removing the human element in a super-corrupt society is desirable for the leadership.

You really think that the paper trail for the current projects doesn't clearly indicate just who is responsible? You think the people doing the actual physical work can't tell you exactly who delivered their materials?

The problem isn't the foreman on the project, it's the people further up and back the chain, and the corrupt officials they're paying bribes to. None of that is going to be changed by automating things; if anything, less human eyes on will make it easier to try to hide who did what.
 
It's amusing that you think that.


Combine this with the awkwardness of trying to replace human labor completely with robots, instead of having the two complement each other, and things will get interesting.

The fact you have to cite a Youtube search list, not even a single video in particular, really says it all and that's not even getting into the fact said search list doesn't have anything to do with the topic at hand. When you're serious about wanting to look this stuff, you'll find things like this from the Belfer Center:

Chinese investments in AI research and development have surged to American levels, and the results are beginning to show it. The blunt truth is that China is laying the intellectual groundwork for a generational advantage in AI. According to the Allen Institute for Artificial Intelligence’s authoritative assessment, China would overtake the United States in 2019 in the most-cited 50 percent of AI papers. It will take the lead in the most-cited 10 percent this year. And by 2025, the United States will fall to second in the top 1 percent of papers.32 (Fortunately, in breakthrough papers, China remains behind.) In public patents for AI technologies, China passed the United States in 2015, and in 2018 filed 2.5 times more than America.33 In machine learning’s hottest subfield—deep learning—China has six times more patent publications than the United States. (Raw numbers, however, must be taken with a grain of salt, since not all patents are equal.)​
 
Given the technological context that has been evolving? Yeah this isn't as bad as you would think I'm afraid... or has everyone forgotten that history is rife with a gaggle of idiots forcing events that would lead to war?

Now multiply that by several orders of magnitude due to the proliferation of biotech...
 
Given the technological context that has been evolving? Yeah this isn't as bad as you would think I'm afraid... or has everyone forgotten that history is rife with a gaggle of idiots forcing events that would lead to war?

Now multiply that by several orders of magnitude due to the proliferation of biotech...

If you think such things will not be used against you then you are a fool.
 

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