AI/Automation Megathread

Pharmacist is the latest job getting automated away. It's worth taking note of how now high-skill high-education jobs are beginning to get automated away, the robots are getting more effective and able to take on more advanced jobs all the time. These new pharmacist robots can fill as many prescriptions per hour as an entire team of humans can do in a day. They estimate half of all Walgreens prescriptions will be automated by 2025.


 
I am reminded on this.



We will still need people to repair things when they wear down or break.
 
Maintenance will be automated away too
All current automation is rote repetition of actions, database handling, or positional prediction. These get very incredibly complex, yes, but that complexity is wrangling the input data to something the machine can make sense of. Maintenance requires adaptive, very active, problem solving, because you do not go in knowing what is wrong. The machine has to independently make the diagnostic, and independently come up with a solution.

Given we still run into situations like million-dollar heavy machinery failing due to ambient vibrations and expensive trips get taken to find the billion-dollar company forgot to turn on the power, this is a long way off. This requires extremely strong general artificial intelligence. Maintenance is one of the very last jobs you can automate, because you have to reliably automate all of design and construction before you can even start on being confident it'll work.

Reason for that being the simple matter that to fix it, it has to understand how to make it, so that it understands what it is that needs fixed. And you're adding quite a few steps between "make it" and "fix it".
 
All current automation is rote repetition of actions, database handling, or positional prediction. These get very incredibly complex, yes, but that complexity is wrangling the input data to something the machine can make sense of. Maintenance requires adaptive, very active, problem solving, because you do not go in knowing what is wrong. The machine has to independently make the diagnostic, and independently come up with a solution.

Given we still run into situations like million-dollar heavy machinery failing due to ambient vibrations and expensive trips get taken to find the billion-dollar company forgot to turn on the power, this is a long way off. This requires extremely strong general artificial intelligence. Maintenance is one of the very last jobs you can automate, because you have to reliably automate all of design and construction before you can even start on being confident it'll work.

Reason for that being the simple matter that to fix it, it has to understand how to make it, so that it understands what it is that needs fixed. And you're adding quite a few steps between "make it" and "fix it".
What machine learning is increasingly teaching us is that complex tasks are actually a series of simple tasks and machines are gradually breaking them down and automating them, thus increasingly complex tasks are being removed. And the thing is, we're already heavily automating design and construction. Manufacturing was literally the first thing to start getting automated. As for design, AI is literally starting to do that right now. We have numerous devices and tools and even entire cars that were created entirely by AI.


Heck, we've got a thread here on the Sietch by a member who's having an AI produce art. AI Creativity is a thing that's happening, design is not the terrible hurdle it's being put forward as.

Imagine, already on the front of maintenance, if you take your car to a mechanic one of the first things they'll do is plug a diagnostic computer into it to get codes telling them what's wrong. It's not much of a step from there to the codes automatically downloading to a maintenance robot. This then lets it determine which part is malfunctioning.

From there it's possible to automate more maintenance. A simple decision tree determines if the problem is software (automatically debugged by the diagnostic computer) or hardware (Modular part to be replaced by machine arms). Most of the tasks done by a human can be gradually automated away as tech advances, until you have a self-driving car that drives itself to the automated garage where it gets an automatic oil-change and the automated garage uses the diagnostic computer to determine if any parts are beginning to fail, using visual recognition to determine if the tires are worn, etc. The garage orders parts automatically, schedules the self-driving car to come back in a week, bills the customer's credit card, and replaces any parts as needed next week This entire process takes place at night while the car's owner is asleep and won't need the car.

At first, this will just supplement the human mechanic and can only handle routine issues. Then each year, the number of issues the automated garage can handle will increase as the mechanic's tasks are increasingly broken down. In a few years, one mechanic handles all the tasks that previously took an entire team and really only gets called in for ridiculously complex problems the machine couldn't handle. 3D Printing technology is eventually implemented into the garage so it doesn't order parts any more, just raw materials and manufactures whatever it needs on-the-spot for repairs. A few years after that even more complex machine learning teaches the computer how to modify existing part schematics to print customized parts for specific situations, allowing it to remove the one mechanic whose job hinged on handling edge cases where normal parts wouldn't work. A few years after that all the tasks are fully automated and the only mechanics left are hobbyists.
 
AI Can Determine Gender from Eyes Alone
This one is really quite interestingly weird. Apparently, even though gender is just a social construct, an AI has figured out how to determine gender by examining the retina. The next Supreme Court nominee may tell us she can't define "Woman" because she's not a robot.


Where it gets really weird is that we have no idea how this works, no human can figure out gender via retinas, there's no apparent physiological differences, and we have no idea how the computer is doing it. Deep learning is letting computers understand increasingly complex things, some of which humans are not able to comprehend.
 
This one is really quite interestingly weird. Apparently, even though gender is just a social construct, an AI has figured out how to determine gender by examining the retina. The next Supreme Court nominee may tell us she can't define "Woman" because she's not a robot.


Where it gets really weird is that we have no idea how this works, no human can figure out gender via retinas, there's no apparent physiological differences, and we have no idea how the computer is doing it. Deep learning is letting computers understand increasingly complex things, some of which humans are not able to comprehend.
If I understand right can’t we not even reverse engineer the machine learning to find out how it’s doing it like it’s a digital black box? Or am I mistaken on that.

If so it’s kinda insane that we are increasingly living in a world where our tech is basically magic to us. Set up a series of rituals and summon the program of retina to do a job. Also I wonder if some of the weird pattern things these machine learning programs can do is stuff some humans could do but are dismissed because their an outlier
 
If I understand right can’t we not even reverse engineer the machine learning to find out how it’s doing it like it’s a digital black box? Or am I mistaken on that.

If so it’s kinda insane that we are increasingly living in a world where our tech is basically magic to us. Set up a series of rituals and summon the program of retina to do a job. Also I wonder if some of the weird pattern things these machine learning programs can do is stuff some humans could do but are dismissed because their an outlier
I'd guess it's pattern recognition plus an enormous data set combined with some foreknowledge and optical acuity we don't have.

Last time my eyes were examined photos of my retinas were taken. Get enough of those together and tell a computer "these have this trait" and "these other ones do not". Eventually it'll be able it isolate and identify subtle things which occur in only one group.
 
I’m mean I understand it’s picking something up but the main problem is from my understanding you can’t open the program up and get it to tell you what it’s picking up. It’s almost like a real life ??? Profit meme.

That’s actually kinda close to how some real life occultists(chaos magicians specifically) think some spells work it’s ritual placing the right restrictions and putting in the correct inputs creating something you could imagine as a spiritual program and getting an output with basically question marks in the how.

I do wonder if as the computer scientists do more and advance the machine learning process if any of it will be helpful in understanding our own minds.
 
I do wonder if the program will also detect if the person's gender is trans, or if the AI is bigoted and thinks there're only two genders.

I’m mean I understand it’s picking something up but the main problem is from my understanding you can’t open the program up and get it to tell you what it’s picking up. It’s almost like a real life ??? Profit meme.

That’s actually kinda close to how some real life occultists(chaos magicians specifically) think some spells work it’s ritual placing the right restrictions and putting in the correct inputs creating something you could imagine as a spiritual program and getting an output with basically question marks in the how.

I do wonder if as the computer scientists do more and advance the machine learning process if any of it will be helpful in understanding our own minds.
I imagine it will. At certain levels of projects we already have black box AIs which are writing the code for other black box AIs so it's getting to odd levels of "No human involved" at certain points.
 
I do wonder if the program will also detect if the person's gender is trans, or if the AI is bigoted and thinks there're only two genders.

I imagine it will. At certain levels of projects we already have black box AIs which are writing the code for other black box AIs so it's getting to odd levels of "No human involved" at certain points.
So they are actually black boxes? Man I wonder if there’s any thoughts out there on how to un black box them? Also the idea of it going two levels deep is kinda creepy like I’m all for advances in tech and knowledge but using programs that we don’t fully understand like that seems foolhardy.

I wonder if machine learning is at all analogous to intuition or gut feelings.
 
So they are actually black boxes? Man I wonder if there’s any thoughts out there on how to un black box them? Also the idea of it going two levels deep is kinda creepy like I’m all for advances in tech and knowledge but using programs that we don’t fully understand like that seems foolhardy.

I wonder if machine learning is at all analogous to intuition or gut feelings.
I'm not deep enough in the field to tell you honestly how black the boxes are. A few people I know are and I try to keep an eye on it but as far as keeping up with the cutting edge, I'm unable.

Here's something cogent to the subject though.


This Code Does Not Exist is examples of machine-written code intermixed with human scripts, and a challenge to see if you can tell the difference. How many can you guess right?
 
You guys remember all those arguments I had with Gamesguy way back in the day, where I argued that if we didn't implement a universal basic income or abolish the price system or something along those lines, then the architects of High Finance would kill 90% of us and replace us with robots, rule the other 10% in an Orwellian police state, and use cyborg tech to make themselves into immortal demigods? Remember how he always gave me shit over it?

Fuck me, the powers-that-be are actually doing it, lol :ROFLMAO:





 
Developers have been in the process of "being replaced" by UML, drag and drop, low code/no code tech since I was in university.
The burger flipping bots look cool, but I am skeptical about their usefulness.
You will probably have to rebuild the internals of your average restaurant to fit one in there, never-mind the expensive maintenance.
Frankly some form of assembly line system where the meat is just cut into very specific sizes and wheeled into between broilers, then pulled out after a preset tine might work better.
Then you just have the bits of the burger, also pre-cut, assembled in a press-like mechanism or you have one ot two people work assembly line style.
Frankly I think we are in a interest-rate fueled tech bubble, and this gets money pushed into all sorts of hare brained schemes and gimmicks that amount to nothing.
DuckDuckGo Google Product graveyard, for example.
@*THASF* who were you on SB btw?
 
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Developers have been in the process of "being replaced" by UML, drag and drop, low code/no code tech since I was in university.
The burger flipping bots look cool, but I am skeptical about their usefulness.
You will probably have to rebuild the internals of your average restaurant to fit one in there, never-mind the expensive maintenance.
Frankly some form of assembly line system where the meat is just cut into very specific sizes and wheeled into between broilers, then pulled out after a preset tine might work better.
Then you just have the bits of the burger, also pre-cut, assembled in a press-like mechanism or you have one ot two people work assembly line style..
Yeah, I tend to agree. People frequently imagine a robot replacing a human as a humanoid robot that performs the same motions (Rosie the Robot, vs. what a Roomba looks like), but it doesn't work that way. I recall in another discussion somebody claiming you couldn't automate trucking because sometimes the trucker has to put out flares, to which I pointed out you could just mount a flare on an RC car-like chassis and have the truck AI drive the RC cars into position.

The final version of the burger flipping robot isn't likely to have an arm with a spatula, but something more robotic and less humanoid. It may well not actually have the large grill we're familiar with in favor of waffle-iron like single-burger presses that cook both sides at once (with ridges to produce "flame broiled" lines on the burger of course) for no flipping or several other options

I could imagine they don't need the meat pre-cut to size though, the hamburger could just be fed into an extruder that produces perfectly round patties by slicing off exactly X mm of meat as it comes out the tube. This would actually help automate things as you need merely load half a ton of ground beef into the hopper and it makes its own patties and cooks them.
 
It's looking more and more like AI automation is going to impact parts of meatspace last, and take over management, copywriting/editing, finance, coding, and culture first.

GPT is not quite to the point where it can generate a meaningful story without substantial nudging, but it's still very impressive.

@*THASF* who were you on SB btw?

*THASF*. None of my posts are searchable, though. It's a long story.
 

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