Flanderize harder.
The difference between 'these wages functionally no longer exist' and 'what is a detailed position to hold on the morality of welfare, fraud, and theft' are blatantly not the same issue.
First, that's not remotely what Flanderize means. Second, it's
exactly the same issue. Wealth transfers from one group to another with all attendant knock-on effects as regards how people spend and react to this transfer, the only difference being automation makes the ultra-rich grow richer while welfare makes the poor able to keep eating. It's not about morality, it's about economics, switching it to trying to complain about morality is just a goalpost move on your part to ignore the actual point. Do massive welfare programs
not have an economic effect because welfare recipients put the money in the bank or spend it? Do embezzlement schemes
not damage the economy because the embezzler will spend the money or bank it? Of course not, by the standard you're using absolutely nothing,
ever, can harm the economy because
no matter what the person who gets the money will spend it or put it in a bank. Heck, your BS about how the economy will be hurt by putting money in a hole is an argument for "Money Printing Machine Go Brr."
People have been trying to stir up panic for years about 'AI will make work obsolete.' It has never materialized, and it will never materialize, because the money that would have been used to pay for X work, will instead ultimately be used to pay for Y work. Unless someone literally buries it in a hole in the ground or similar nonsense.
I'm not sure what's sadder, the fact that you have this poor of an understanding of how economics actually works, or the fact that
@Robovski literally pointed out how the
exact fallacy you just used actually works two posts above and you failed to bother to read the thread and made the fallacious argument anyway.
As for people having known for years, yes, we've been watching things crater for years and the ongoing negative effects have been slowly degrading things for years while we watch in real time. You clearly haven't actually read the thread and are just kneejerking, else you would have addressed the charts and studies upthread showing that we're visibly suffering the effects
right now and can see how jobs are being permanently lost
right now. But you didn't, you just proclaimed your opinion as fact (totally unsupported of course) and ignored all the concrete evidence to the contrary.
People knew Bernie Madoff was engaged in fraud and provided multiple warnings with detailed proof
years before the 2008 meltdown. The fact that these people were right and figured it out years in advance... didn't mean there was no actual economic meltdown coming. Things would have gone much, much better if we'd actually listened to them and done something about Bernie before he destroyed the nation's economy and set it back decades.
People warned that the levees on New Orleans weren't up to stopping a real hurricane long before Katrina hit, that didn't mean the levees held. If we'd listened and fixed the levees it would have saved many lives and millions in damage.
Experts recognizing a disaster before it happens
is not evidence that there's no actual disaster coming, that's completely bats.
Trying to conflate that economic fact with fraud, theft, and welfare (which literally pays people for nothing), is beyond merely bad-faith argumentation, into the realm of outright smearing.
I'd like an apology.
Every time we have this debate, you drum up an excuse to be morally outraged and run away when you can't support your claims. I'm sorry to see you appear to be laying the groundwork for your retreat already.
