2nd Civil War Theorycrafting Thread, Peaches Free

[JagerIV]

@BlackDragon98 question is, what can we do against drone attacks, assuming (worse case scenario) that most of the military remains loyal to the ‘government’?

Well, there's a lot that can be done, depending on the scale of resistance were talking about. The Taliban seem to have had a relatively effective counter drone strategy, in as much as they were able to minimize how much damage it did to them sufficiently to keep going.

Just a guy watching the airport to report when drone launches so you know if ones in the air or not is a potentially big help, before various diversion and evasion strategies that exist. The low flying ones are still vulnerable to basic gunfire if you've got some training on how the ballistics work.

 

[BlackDragon98]

@BlackDragon98 question is, what can we do against drone attacks, assuming (worse case scenario) that most of the military remains loyal to the ‘government’?

Couriers.

Drone attacks usually occur because a HVT (high value target) has been identified. A resistance that's properly spread out and concealed should not present enough personnel or materiel to warrant a drone strike.

Therefore, we must copy Osama and use couriers. After all, he's not called the world master of hide and seek (2001-2011) for no reason.

 

[AndrewJTalon]

@BlackDragon98 question is, what can we do against drone attacks, assuming (worse case scenario) that most of the military remains loyal to the ‘government’?

Counter drones, couriers, and other means of concealing high value assets.

And let's be honest: If a bunch of 9th century tribesmen can outlast the clowns running the US military, we can do the same.

 

[BlackDragon98]

Part of their success is that they use non-technical means so much.

Pigeon mail it is then.

 

[sillygoose]

Counter drones, couriers, and other means of concealing high value assets.

And let's be honest: If a bunch of 9th century tribesmen can outlast the clowns running the US military, we can do the same.

There is a big difference between fighting the US government in Afghanistan and fighting the US government in the US.

 

[DarthOne]

There is a big difference between fighting the US government in Afghanistan and fighting the US government in the US.

Not as much as you'd think...if anything, 'we'd' have a home-field advantage of being able to blend in better and having more in the way of sympathizers/ informants.

And it's not like your average US (or UN) soldier is going to know the backwoods of, say, the Appalachia or the Rockies Mountains better than they would the ones in the Middle East. Especially when compared to any local sympathizers or guides. Whatsmore, they'd have a lot more ground to cover even outside the mountain areas- there's a lot of space in the USA where there aren't a whole lot of people if there's something you need to hide.

Mind you, given the amount of abandoned infrastructure, ruins, and subways some parts of the US have within our very cities, it might be easier to hide in plain sight.

 

[TriforcedLink]

@BlackDragon98 question is, what can we do against drone attacks, assuming (worse case scenario) that most of the military remains loyal to the ‘government’?

Well for one don't speak of these plans when we all know glowies love to monitor us for wrongthink.

 

[Terthna]

Not as much as you'd think...if anything, 'we'd' have a home-field advantage of being able to blend in better and having more in the way of sympathizers/ informants.

And it's not like your average US (or UN) soldier is going to know the backwoods of, say, the Appalachia or the Rockies Mountains better than they would the ones in the Middle East. Especially when compared to any local sympathizers or guides. Whatsmore, they'd have a lot more ground to cover even outside the mountain areas- there's a lot of space in the USA where there aren't a whole lot of people if there's something you need to hide.

Mind you, given the amount of abandoned infrastructure, ruins, and subways some parts of the US have within our very cities, it might be easier to hide in plain sight.

You also have to consider that their families are here; and at least some of them aren't going to side with the government. That's going to cause serious issues with morale.

 

[ParadiseLost]

The very idea of a second US Civil War is a joke.

 

[Bacle]

The very idea of a second US Civil War is a joke.

Bingo.

In the age of nukes, mass social media, and mass surveillance, thinking there is any real chance of effective armed conflict against the US gov on its own soil, is a pipedream.

Biden wasn't wrong to say that unless people have equipment on par with F-15s and nukes, they really cannot actually threaten the powers in DC, illegit they may be.

 

[Shermpotter]

Bacle, you just keep thinking that...

 

[DarthOne]

The very idea of a second US Civil War is a joke.

Depends what you mean by a ‘war’. I don’t think the battle lines will be, as others pointed out, as clean as they were in the Civil War. If nothing, I suspect that it would be more like the Revolutionary War; people split between revolution, neutral/just trying to keep their heads down, and the loyalists.

In terms of the combat and how loyalties will be split in a more complementary manner, I’d imagine something like the Irish Troubles or the various Civil Wars in Eastern Europe.

 

[Terthna]

The very idea of a second US Civil War is a joke.

If you're thinking it would be anything like the first one, with armies meeting each other on the field of combat; you're right. That's not how anyone is suggesting it's going to go this time around though; it's going to instead involve a lot of small-scale violence between ideologically opposed civilians, before it eventually escalates to guerrilla tactics targeting government infrastructure and personnel. The only times the bulk of the military is going to be involved, is when the government tries to use it to quell dissent.

Bingo.

In the age of nukes, mass social media, and mass surveillance, thinking there is any real chance of effective armed conflict against the US gov on its own soil, is a pipedream.

Biden wasn't wrong to say that unless people have equipment on par with F-15s and nukes, they really cannot actually threaten the powers in DC, illegit they may be.

Sure they can; it just depends on how willing people are to throw their lives away in order to damage their power, even if it's just a little at a time. Besides; F-15s and nukes aren't that useful when you're also in the blast radius.

 

[DarthOne]

Well for one don't speak of these plans when we all know glowies love to monitor us for wrongthink.

Please. As others have pointed out, we're small fish in a very big ocean full of much more interesting things to catch.

 

[DarthOne]

Sure they can; it just depends on how willing people are to throw their lives away in order to damage their power, even if it's just a little at a time. Besides; F-15s and nukes aren't that useful when you're also in the blast radius.

That and they want to still rule the country when all the 'rebels' have been defeated; having chunks of it being radioactive isn't exactly an alluring prospect. Plus, people tend to get cranky once the nukes start flying. It would turn more people against them even more.

 

[PsihoKekec]

question is, what can we do against drone attacks, assuming (worse case scenario) that most of the military remains loyal to the ‘government’?

First of all is cover, concealment and evasion to reduce the damage that drones and aircraft would inflict.
Then you do what the Talibans started doing to the Afghan Air Force, put everyone tied to the operating the drones and aircraft on the kill list and start assassinating them, as they won't be holed up in the bases 24/7/365. You can also hit the factories making parts for the drones and guided munitions, the wonderful fact of American defense contractor welfare is that manufacture of almost every military systems is spread over many locations in many states, so it's not hard to create a production bottleneck and stocks of spare parts tend to be not very deep. Also, if you have sympathizers in the right places, you can hit the bases directly, destroy the gear and kill/capture the crews. You don't even need sympathizers to to open you the gates coercion/bribery works as well. Not to mention that for technically savvy and organised people, making DIY combat drones and suicide drones is not that difficult, so bases can be hit that way as well.

Keep in mind that fight against foreign occupier and fight against domestic elite can be very different.

 

[Sobek]

The 2ACW would be nothing like the 1st. It would indeed be more like the revolutionary war but even that is a weak comparison. If you want a actual proper view imagine Northern Ireland during hottest moment of The Troubles, multiplied by the size of a continent and with way more guns.

 

[Doomsought]

Looking at the other sided of the iron curtain, it seems that insurgencies have a hard time working when you put the insurgents and their families in death camps.

 

[History Learner]

Looking at the other sided of the iron curtain, it seems that insurgencies have a hard time working when you put the insurgents and their families in death camps.

We did this in Vietnam and Afghanistan, to an extent. It didn't work....

 

[Doomsought]

We did this in Vietnam and Afghanistan, to an extent. It didn't work....

I do not know what historical revisionism you were listening to, but no, we did not set up anything like the Gulags or where the Chinese are putting the Uyghurs.