2nd Civil War Theorycrafting Thread, Peaches Free

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Indeed.

Demographic shifts and whatever shenanigans the DNC gets up, will ensure that state of affairs will remain.

Why do you think there is so much effort into turning Texas blue for example?

The democrats have no intention of sharing power once they no longer have to.
 
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Aaron Fox

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To no one's surprise (and even SB isn't surprised to this), the GOP is trying to do whatever it can to stay in power.
Indeed.

Demographic shifts and whatever shenanigans the DNC gets up, will ensure that state of affairs will remain.

Why do you think there is so much effort into turning Texas blue for example?

The democrats have no intention of sharing power once they no longer have to.
That isn't really the case. This has been the GOP's end product ever since the GOP heads decided that bipartisanship outside of 'whatever we say goes' is anathema back in the fallout of Watergate and thus ejected anyone that is 'moderate' as 'RHINOs'. They set a lot of the groundwork during the Reagan administration with the repeal of essentially one of the few things that kept the likes of FOX News from happening.

Bush Jr. gave the GOP an out during his elections by reaching out to the Hispanics but they pretty much spat in his hand at the minimum, outright stabbed his metaphorical hand at most. The GOP proper doesn't want to 'expand the base', they wanted power above all else.

Right now, in the 'Nixon speedrun' chart, we're past the 'Nixon has resigned' phase.

Here's the thing, I used to be a centrist Republican, the problem is the GOP simply left me behind and for dead essentially. Right now the Democrats are the 'Coalition of Not GOP', not a left-wing coalition.
 
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To no one's surprise (and even SB isn't surprised to this), the GOP is trying to do whatever it can to stay in power.

That isn't really the case. This has been the GOP's end product ever since the GOP heads decided that bipartisanship outside of 'whatever we say goes' is anathema back in the fallout of Watergate and thus ejected anyone that is 'moderate' as 'RHINOs'. They set a lot of the groundwork during the Reagan administration with the repeal of essentially one of the few things that kept the likes of FOX News from happening.

Bush Jr. gave the GOP an out during his elections by reaching out to the Hispanics but they pretty much spat in his hand at the minimum, outright stabbed his metaphorical hand at most. The GOP proper doesn't want to 'expand the base', they wanted power above all else.

Right now, in the 'Nixon speedrun' chart, we're past the 'Nixon has resigned' phase.

Here's the thing, I used to be a centrist Republican, the problem is the GOP simply left me behind and for dead essentially. Right now the Democrats are the 'Coalition of Not GOP', not a left-wing coalition.
TBH, I’ll acknowledge the Democrats accusation as true.

The republicans do want to remain in power, my response is “yeah and that’s what we intend to do”.

The Republican electorate is well aware the winds of demography and the Overton window of political discourse are against it.

Why do you think we back Trump so fervently?

He is the last shield against political oblivion.

*I am being entirely sincere in what I am about to say, controversial as it is.

I firmly believe anything must be done to hold power(for myself and the party) and by that anything. Ideally without violence or large scale political suppression.

The problem is republicans simply cannot win due to the power of new immigrants and big cities. And the decline of the rural and religious right.

My attitude is simple, “if we can’t win via the ballot box, we’ll have to hold via a wall of bayonets”

Most of the republican electorate and party members do not yet put it in such blunt terms, but I am always an exception to these sorts of things.

If we must dispose of democratic governance entirely-it would be a terrible tragedy, but the Democrats have left us no alternative.
 

CarlManvers2019

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The problem is republicans simply cannot win due to the power of new immigrants and big cities. And the decline of the rural and religious right.

My attitude is simple, “if we can’t win via the ballot box, we’ll have to hold via a wall of bayonets”

Most of the republican electorate and party members do not yet put it in such blunt terms, but I am always an exception to these sorts of things.

If we must dispose of democratic governance entirely-it would be a terrible tragedy, but the Democrats have left us no alternative.

In-Hindsight, the Democrats don’t need to actually prosper or even have a good economy or the resources to back them and their politicians. They don’t even need to be turning a profit, especially if they’re the biggest companies around

All they need are large swathes of people who believe in great promises and whatever you say

Even without evidence, all they have to do is say they won the Impeachment, fact is decided by the majority

If the majority say 2+2=5

Then who is to say otherwise?

If the majority of Democrats and those latching onto them say they won the Impeachment, who is to say otherwise?

They can win a second impeachment attempt, just have to believe it hard enough

Though, I wonder what they’d use for the second
 

Realm

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The problem is republicans simply cannot win due to the power of new immigrants and big cities. And the decline of the rural and religious right.

My attitude is simple, “if we can’t win via the ballot box, we’ll have to hold via a wall of bayonets”

Most of the republican electorate and party members do not yet put it in such blunt terms, but I am always an exception to these sorts of things.

If we must dispose of democratic governance entirely-it would be a terrible tragedy, but the Democrats have left us no alternative.

@FriedCFour yo can you post some of your "So when you starting the revolution huh" meme's from the discord, i never had a chance to save any
 

CarlManvers2019

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If you need to kill people to stay in power, you shouldn't be in power.

Maybe instead do something else, instead of changing the greater majority, move away

Easier said than done though and probably only something you could do if you had terraforming tech and FTL
 
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The problem with that, is that if you don’t the other side will kill/disenfranchise you.

That doesn’t make it a good or desirable thing.

But when you have a situation where interest groups be they religious, ideological ethnic or otherwise seek full control of the levers of state and society-it becomes a zero sum game.

It’s the situation in say Syria or in a lot of African countries-one group is in charge and the rest are disenfranchised, the group in power is willing to countenance any means to stay so-less because their drunk on power for power’s sake and more they fear what will happen to them if they lose it.

It’s not a desirable situation to be in, but we are getting ever closer to it.
 

JagerIV

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If you need to kill people to stay in power, you shouldn't be in power.

Um, everyone needs to kill people to stay in power. Or at least, maintain the credible threat to kill people. Otherwise the civil war would have been illigitimate, since the union needed to kill a couple hundred thousdand southerners to stay in power.

Government rests on its willingness to kill people.
 
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“All political power comes from the barrel of a gun”

Mao Zedong

Ultimately any society or government rests on violence or the threat thereof.

Without the credible threat of violence from the legitimate authority-all descends into anarchy.
 

Isem

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Man, the impeachment thread over on sb is completely insane.

Bunch of people claiming America is a failed state and a dictatorship because there was a utterly pathetic case for impeachment and trump isn't getting removed from office.

Democracy being dead because the results of a election weren't overturned is certainly a interesting take on the issue.

Just... crazy.
Sounds about on par for Democrats online it would seem. The Donald has a collage of quotes from R/Politcs and it's pretty much the same tale there. Though I suppose no one on SB was dumb enough to say "open season on GOP cowards" probably because that'd be too much even for there.
 

Realm

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Sounds about on par for Democrats online it would seem. The Donald has a collage of quotes from R/Politcs and it's pretty much the same tale there. Though I suppose no one on SB was dumb enough to say "open season on GOP cowards" probably because that'd be too much even for there.

Oh man, if democrats started civil war larping as much as the right it'd be funny as shit
 
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Weren’t there a lot of Democrats and such who said they would or did actually buy guns after Trump was elected?
 

CarlManvers2019

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I don't particularly mind the idiots. Now, Reddit not enforcing it's own rules on leftwing people there on the other hand...

I’ve been on r/ShitStatistsSay

They also have a big amount of links to r/Libertarian because the Libertarian-Left or AnarchoCommunists took over and made it so that essentially they could shut down anybody saying anything that goes against the flow

r/AnarchoCapitalism weirdly enough has so many Commies around because they decided to actually be consistent and allow em in, sure they troll and insult and accuse, but they’re tolerated
 

Bigking321

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Though I suppose no one on SB was dumb enough to say "open season on GOP cowards" probably because that'd be too much even for there.

You would think so but they are getting as close as they can to it.

A lot of "Republicans are all traitors. Republicans are enemies of humanity and should be treated as such. Republicans proved they have no souls and must be kept out of power at all costs".

If it were just a few people I'd just pass it off as just a few crazys, but it's looking like the prevailing opinion in a pretty active thread.
 

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