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Progressive Democrats press Biden on Israeli E1 settlement plans ahead of trip

29 lawmakers urge administration to make clear that project cutting off Palestinian neighborhoods in East Jerusalem from Ramallah and Bethlehem is a 'red line'
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Building in E-1 would link Jerusalem to a large settlement to its east, but essentially bisect the West Bank in two and make a contiguous Palestinian state with East Jerusalem as its capital nearly impossible, critics say.
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Palestinians would still be able to have a road between Bethlehem and Ramallah to the east of Ma'ale Adummim, no?
 
King Arts said:
Speaking of this I heard Israel is sending thousands of African migrants to western nations. Y’all still think we should support Israel unconditionally?
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>sending
African nations are sending thousands of African migrants, obviously.
Doesn't that happen to be one of those cucked schemes where some particularly dumb western nation volunteers to take migrants from Israel just so that mean Israel won't deport them back to the third world?
WolfBear said:
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What's their fucking problem? Philippines aren't even that poor or dangerous by third world standards, many first worlders even go to vacation there. The top 4 sources of them being SK, China, USA and Japan, not exactly nations who can't be picky.
 
King Arts said:
Speaking of this I heard Israel is sending thousands of African migrants to western nations. Y’all still think we should support Israel unconditionally?
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No, of course not. Frankly, I wish that Israel gave any non-Jews who wanted to stay in Israel the option of converting to Judaism, at least if they were not guilty of any serious crimes. This should apply to Filipinos, Africans, et cetera who are already in Israel.

I, of course, also think that converting to Judaism should be a much more viable option for global refugees:

jewishjournal.com

Israel Should Open Judaism to Refugees

Talleyrand’s famous aphorism applies to Israel’s immigration policy: It is worse than a crime — it is a blunder.
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Marduk said:
>sending
African nations are sending thousands of African migrants, obviously.
Doesn't that happen to be one of those cucked schemes where some particularly dumb western nation volunteers to take migrants from Israel just so that mean Israel won't deport them back to the third world?

What's their fucking problem? Philippines aren't even that poor or dangerous by third world standards, many first worlders even go to vacation there. The top 4 sources of them being SK, China, USA and Japan, not exactly nations who can't be picky.
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As I said, I believe that Israel should offer non-Jews, or at least non-Jewish refugees, the option of conversion to Judaism. At least a couple million of them should accept this offer, or about 2% of all global refugees if there are 100 million of them in total. I mean, you've already got Falash Mura passionately returning to their Jewish roots in order to get a ticket to Israel, even if they have to wait 10-20 years for this.

Well, the Philippines is much poorer than Israel is. I wonder what the demographics of Israeli Filipinos are, in terms of things such as average IQ, average income, average criminality, et cetera.
 
Marduk said:
>sending
African nations are sending thousands of African migrants, obviously.
Doesn't that happen to be one of those cucked schemes where some particularly dumb western nation volunteers to take migrants from Israel just so that mean Israel won't deport them back to the third world?

What's their fucking problem? Philippines aren't even that poor or dangerous by third world standards, many first worlders even go to vacation there. The top 4 sources of them being SK, China, USA and Japan, not exactly nations who can't be picky.
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Does not matter. Israel's actions have led to middle eastern destabilization, then African's march through the war torn hellscapes and the majority of them end up going to Europe. Israel should also take in a large share of Africans if other Western nations have to do so.

Israel says to send thousands of African migrants to Western countries
 
King Arts said:
Does not matter. Israel's actions have led to middle eastern destabilization,
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That implies that the Middle East was stable before, which is a hilarious notion.

King Arts said:
then African's march through the war torn hellscapes and the majority of them end up going to Europe.
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Well that's the problem of relying on far away nations that aren't even necessarily friendly for one's own immigration enforcement. What happens if they don't do it for ya?

King Arts said:
Israel should also take in a large share of Africans if other Western nations have to do so.
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But Western nations don't *have* to do it. If Western nations had their government decide that it's enough, there is no UN army that would go and set them straight. They would just get whined at loudly.
It's Western governments that ultimately decide that Western governments don't have a sane immigration policy.
Elect better government instead of whining about less stupid countries being less stupid.

King Arts said:
Israel says to send thousands of African migrants to Western countries
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So i guessed right.
JERUSALEM — Israel said on Monday it has canceled a plan to deport African migrants to Africa and reached an agreement with the U.N. refugee agency to send more than 16,000 to Western countries instead.
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>U.N. refugee agency
A great institution for Western countries to collectively threaten with indefinite and full defunding until it starts working for their interests.
Different sources even have it explained how is it going to work.

According to the sources, the UN – and not Israel – will conduct negotiations with the Western countries involved in the deal.
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And apparently they already have an idea of which countries are just crazy enough that it's worth to ask. I guess that in the end it's not going to be any country with an anti mass migration government.
 
Marduk said:
The obvious problem with that is that this would practically beg for essentially fake conversions. Especially when as a liberal country, Israel allows any Jew to pretty much live as an atheist the next second.
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Well, so long as these people (or at least ~75+% of them) will remain culturally Jewish and not embrace any other religions, that should be good enough for the purposes of this, no? If they're atheists or agnostics but serve in the Israeli military, celebrate the Jewish holidays, speak Hebrew, et cetera, then really, why exactly shouldn't they be viewed as being extremely similar to atheist or agnostic Jewish Israelis?
 
WolfBear said:
Well, so long as these people (or at least ~75+% of them) will remain culturally Jewish and not embrace any other religions, that should be good enough for the purposes of this, no?
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How do you even measure, nevermind enforce that?
WolfBear said:
If they're atheists or agnostics but serve in the Israeli military, celebrate the Jewish holidays, speak Hebrew, et cetera, then really, why exactly shouldn't they be viewed as being extremely similar to atheist or agnostic Jewish Israelis?
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How is that different from just a well paid long term mercenary?
 
Marduk said:
How do you even measure, nevermind enforce that?

How is that different from just a well paid long term mercenary?
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With polling. And with enforcement, you just stop the program if it's no longer working as planned.

They're citizens.
 
Marduk said:
It would work almost as well as polling in North Korea.

And that's supposed to be an advantage?
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They can be anonymous to pollsters, though. They won't get deported regardless of how they answer that way.

Yes. More people. A larger economy. More power. More culture. More food. More variety in dating.
 
Marduk said:
Then its not enforcement, there is no condition in practice.

Nothing plain foreign workers don't provide.
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Yeah, you can only stop this program for the future. Deporting existing beneficiaries of this is going to be much more challenging, no doubt.

Well, to be fair, foreign workers don't get the opportunity to permanently relocate to Israel. Though I suppose that they could use their Israeli earnings to relocate to a safe third country if going back home is going to be too difficult and/or dangerous for them. A Filipino guest worker with a lot of earnings from Israel saved up moving to Rwanda, for instance.
 
WolfBear said:
Yeah, you can only stop this program for the future. Deporting existing beneficiaries of this is going to be much more challenging, no doubt.
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My point exactly, it's just exact replication of the past western immigration problems. There is absolutely nothing making the immigrants assimilate except for a suggestion to do so, and if they don't, oh well, your problem.
WolfBear said:
Well, to be fair, foreign workers don't get the opportunity to permanently relocate to Israel. Though I suppose that they could use their Israeli earnings to relocate to a safe third country if going back home is going to be too difficult and/or dangerous for them. A Filipino guest worker with a lot of earnings from Israel saved up moving to Rwanda, for instance.
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Why would they do that? I'd suspect those are outright economic immigrants and have absolutely zero interest in Rwanda, which is why no economic migrants want to go there.
As many American, Japanese and Chinese tourists demonstrate, Philippines apparently are a nice enough place to be in if you have money.
 
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