Israel 🇮🇱 State of Israel Thread

[King Arts]

There was one count I'm aware of of attempted lynching of a Palestinian last May, but the Palestinian survived, and it happened after and as a visceral response to a few successful lynches by Palestinians in which Jews died.

Um, let's see... There was one case of arson by Jewish extremists in which a Palestinian baby died along with a couple of others. The Jewish arsonist received a life sentence by Israeli courts.

What else? Rockets are out since Israel always warns ahead before bombing and never targets indiscriminately... Not aware of hijacking or genital mutilation... I think what I already said just about covers it.

Can you tell us more about genital mutation please?

 

[Bacle]

But that’s true. Palestinians exist as a nation unless you are saying they are Israeli or something? The people called Palestinians are not Jordanian, or Syrian, Iraqi, or Persian, or Turkish, or Kurdish. They aren’t nothing because nothing can’t cause attacks on another nation. Palestinians are either their own nation, or they are rebellious Israelis.

They are Jordanian in all but name, at least the ones in the West Bank, and they even tried to take over Jordan at one point.

The ones in Gaza could be classed as Egyptians pretty easily, given Egypt did control Gaza for a while.

So no, Palestine/Palestinians are an 'nation'/'ethnicity' that was created to unify anti-Jewish Arabic/Levantine groups under one heading, not a county/ethnicity of it's own.

 

[King Arts]

They are Jordanian in all but name, at least the ones in the West Bank, and they even tried to take over Jordan at one point.

The ones in Gaza could be classed as Egyptians pretty easily, given Egypt did control Gaza for a while.

So no, Palestine/Palestinians are an 'nation'/'ethnicity' that was created to unify anti-Jewish Arabic/Levantine groups under one heading, not a county/ethnicity of it's own.

Jordanians you could make an argument. Egypt not really if Palestinians Gazans are eastern Egyptians then Poles are Western Russians lol.
Palestinians are a Levantine group they are closest to Lebanese probably or Jordan. But Jordan and Lebanon don’t consider Palestinians part of their people and Palestinians don’t consider themselves them either. Germans English and Norse are related but they are still different nations.

 

[Bacle]

Jordanians you could make an argument. Egypt not really if Palestinians Gazans are eastern Egyptians then Poles are Western Russians lol.
Palestinians are a Levantine group they are closest to Lebanese probably or Jordan. But Jordan and Lebanon don’t consider Palestinians part of their people and Palestinians don’t consider themselves them either. Germans English and Norse are related but they are still different nations.

'Palestinians' didn't exist before 1948; the whole notion of a Palestinian ethnicity and nation is something the Arab's cooked up to use as a tool against Israel and have gotten a lot of the world to go along with the lie.

 

[History Learner]

'Palestinians' didn't exist before 1948; the whole notion of a Palestinian ethnicity and nation is something the Arab's cooked up to use as a tool against Israel and have gotten a lot of the world to go along with the lie.

Which is utterly false; hell, just go look at Ottoman records from the early 20th Century or internal documents relating to the Balfour Declaration alone as the rebuttal to that. Nevermind the British ones from the 1930s or 1940s.

 

[History Learner]

I mean.. woth our current admin? Maybe.

You really wanna make that argument?

 

[GoldRanger]

Can you tell us more about genital mutation please?

Mutilation, not mutation (although the latter could've been... interesting).

Long-Hidden Details Reveal Cruelty of 1972 Munich Attackers (Published 2015)

Family members of the Israeli victims of Palestinian terrorists at the Munich Olympics are speaking openly in an effort to get their loved ones the recognition they believe is deserved.

www.nytimes.com

Among the most jarring details are these: The Israeli Olympic team members were beaten and, in at least one case, castrated.

“What they did is that they cut off his genitals through his underwear and abused him,” Ms. Romano said of her husband, Yossef. Her voice rose.

There's also some evidence that something like this was done to the Jewish victims of the 1929 Hebron massacre, although that's less conclusive.

Lastly, this is a link in Hebrew since I couldn't find an English source, but the PLO conducted horrible torture on Palestinians who were suspected in collaboration with Israel, including putting out cigarettes on their genitals:

https://www.makorrishon.co.il/nrg/online/1/ART2/891/257.html

Quote with google translate:

The ruling, which contains nearly 2,000 pages, provides a glimpse into a dark and horrific world of evil and sadism, sponsored by the Palestinian Authority. It relies on the testimonies of dozens of Palestinians, who reported torture experienced by the Palestinian Authority in the years 1990-2002. Dozens of prosecutors testified about horrific abuses such as extinguishing cigarettes on genitals, breaking teeth, breaking limbs and nail extractions. There were prisoners who were hanged or tied to a vehicle that dragged them through the streets. Other inmates were forced to sleep in water-soaked beds and wet blankets. There were those who were forced to dip in salt water, and then stand for hours in the scorching sun.

Abuse of genitals, insertion of broken glass bottles in the anus, insertion of shoes and various objects into the mouth have been reported. Prosecutors described how they were beaten with iron rods, power cables and antennas. Some recounted how they were abducted from areas under Israeli control such as Area C, or from areas of Jerusalem where the Palestinians have no official powers. Additional witnesses told of murdered prisoners or relatives who had disappeared by Palestinian Authority personnel. Rape and threats of rape against family members were also described by senior members of the Palestinian dictatorship.

 

[GoldRanger]

In other news (because there are other interesting things about Israel than the Palestinians, believe it or not):

German Leopard 2 tested with Trophy APS for first time

The Israeli Ministry of Defense (MoD) announced on 2 November that it and its German counterpart had completed the first series of live firing tests in Germany of the...

www.janes.com

The tests, conducted in co-operation with Rafael and Krauss-Maffei Wegmann (KMW), demonstrated the integration of Trophy into the Leopard 2, with a threat interception success rate of over 90%, according to the Israeli MoD.

The Bundesamt für Ausrüstung, Informationstechnik und Nutzung der Bundeswehr (BAAINBw), Germany's Federal Office for Bundeswehr Equipment, Information Technology and In-Service Support, signed a government-to-government agreement in February with Israel for Trophy for integration into German Leopard 2s.

 

[Scottty]

I try to give ATP the benefit of the doubt as a non-native English speaker trying to post in a foreign language. But he does have a pretty long history of posting negative things about Jews in every thread that mentions them.

Make allowances for the fact that he's from Poland, and there's a history there.
While you may be accustomed to seeing the Jews as innocent victims, in the timeline he's posting from, they are not.

As far as I understand it, under Feudalism, the Jews in Poland were a "middleman minority" used by the royalty to oppress the commoners. A bit like how the Norman kings of England brought in Jews and let them practice usury, so that the king could then tax them all he liked. Doing an end-run around the normal requirements of consent by the barons for taxation.
And the common Pole never saw the king. The face of the feudal oppression that he actually got to see was a Jewish face.

Then under the Soviet jackboot, many of the most eager Communists were people from a Jewish background.

 

[Knowledgeispower]

Mind you anyone who thinks Israel will go back the utterly indefensible 1967 borders is snorting stuff they shouldn't. For heavens sake at one point the nation would be 12 miles wide. And that's not even considering the economic impacts

 

[GoldRanger]

Make allowances for the fact that he's from Poland, and there's a history there.
While you may be accustomed to seeing the Jews as innocent victims, in the timeline he's posting from, they are not.

As far as I understand it, under Feudalism, the Jews in Poland were a "middleman minority" used by the royalty to oppress the commoners. A bit like how the Norman kings of England brought in Jews and let them practice usury, so that the king could then tax them all he liked. Doing an end-run around the normal requirements of consent by the barons for taxation.
And the common Pole never saw the king. The face of the feudal oppression that he actually got to see was a Jewish face.

Then under the Soviet jackboot, many of the most eager Communists were people from a Jewish background.

The thing is that the guy also vehemently denies the extremely obvious and well-documented history of antisemitism his country has.

 

[Bear Ribs]

Make allowances for the fact that he's from Poland, and there's a history there.
While you may be accustomed to seeing the Jews as innocent victims, in the timeline he's posting from, they are not.

As far as I understand it, under Feudalism, the Jews in Poland were a "middleman minority" used by the royalty to oppress the commoners. A bit like how the Norman kings of England brought in Jews and let them practice usury, so that the king could then tax them all he liked. Doing an end-run around the normal requirements of consent by the barons for taxation.
And the common Pole never saw the king. The face of the feudal oppression that he actually got to see was a Jewish face.

Then under the Soviet jackboot, many of the most eager Communists were people from a Jewish background.

This would be more convincing if he didn't also harp on how Jews supported the Nazis in WW2 and ratted out good honest Poles to them, and how modern Jews are evil and abusive to Poland.

 

[King Arts]

The thing is that the guy also vehemently denies the extremely obvious and well-documented history of antisemitism his country has.

I mean yes every nation has been abusive towards minorities. There is nothing wrong with a bit of blinders towards your side jews do the same. Better to be like Japan about your past atrocities than Germany.

This would be more convincing if he didn't also harp on how Jews supported the Nazis in WW2 and ratted out good honest Poles to them, and how modern Jews are evil and abusive to Poland.

But that is true there were Jews that worked with the Nazis and ratted out even other Jews. Soros is one example.

 

[Arch Dornan]

Make allowances for the fact that he's from Poland, and there's a history there.
While you may be accustomed to seeing the Jews as innocent victims, in the timeline he's posting from, they are not.

As far as I understand it, under Feudalism, the Jews in Poland were a "middleman minority" used by the royalty to oppress the commoners. A bit like how the Norman kings of England brought in Jews and let them practice usury, so that the king could then tax them all he liked. Doing an end-run around the normal requirements of consent by the barons for taxation.
And the common Pole never saw the king. The face of the feudal oppression that he actually got to see was a Jewish face.

Then under the Soviet jackboot, many of the most eager Communists were people from a Jewish background.

Divide and conquer. A very old trick in the playbook for control.

 

[Scottty]

This would be more convincing if he didn't also harp on how Jews supported the Nazis in WW2

Wait, what?
I think he means they supported the Soviets.

 

[Bear Ribs]

Wait, what?
I think he means they supported the Soviets.

Literally at least one example in this thread:

So? he do not tortured anybody,or help do that.

Jews elites in Eastern Europe helped german genocide their own people - for example in Warsaw 700 jews fought in so called uprising in 1943,when 10.000 clerks made list of jews,2500 jewish police take those jews to rail which bring them to death camps/when 60 bored germans looked at that/ ,and 1000 jewish gestapo agents hunted those who hide among poles.
And when german found them,those poles was murdered with their families.

 

[ATP]

Literally at least one example in this thread:

Becouse that was reality in occupied Poland.Jewish Judenrats in all cities and town made list of jews and their belongings,including those who become catholics before WW2.As a result,german taken and genocided them,too.
Polish authorities had nothing to do with that.

Jewish police was beating jews,not polish or even german.When german started Holocaust,they made list of jews who was send to death,and jewish police was taking them to railstations.Catholics were send first.
And in Warsaw more jews served in jewish gestapo then fought in so-called uprising.

About what @Scottty said - jews were used by polish kings in beginning,later by polish gentry.When Poland become de facto Republic/1569/ they supported jews,becouse they feared townspeople - they could get political rivals,as in rest of Europe.
Of course,peasants who was mostly turned into serfs/in medieval times they were free/ was prosecuted by gentry,but jews helped that.Cossacks in 1648 revolt were hanging gentry and jews on the same tree.

In 1920 jews welcomed soviets.In 1939 jews welcomed soviets and later made list of poles who were send to gulags.After WW2 they co-ruled Poland from 1945 till 1956,massacring everybody who was suspicious to soviets.

And @GoldRanger - he is simply average izraeli racist,who belive in bad poles making Holocaust.Do not blame him for his ignorance.

About @Zachowon - of course China do not care about international law.They are superpower.Russia is ex-superpower with lots of H bombs,and Izrael own superpower/USA/,so they all could break law.
But we,in Poland are no superpower,so we keep international law.Gave as a lot H bombs,and we start behave like Izrael,i assure you.

 

[History Learner]

Mind you anyone who thinks Israel will go back the utterly indefensible 1967 borders is snorting stuff they shouldn't. For heavens sake at one point the nation would be 12 miles wide. And that's not even considering the economic impacts

If they don't, once you cut off foreign aid the regional powers opposed to Israel will very quickly make them see the error of their ways.

 

[LordsFire]

If they don't, once you cut off foreign aid the regional powers opposed to Israel will very quickly make them see the error of their ways.

Another war would certainly change things in the region.

 

[Scottty]

If they don't, once you cut off foreign aid the regional powers opposed to Israel will very quickly make them see the error of their ways.

Those "regional powers opposed to Israel" are precisely why they won't willingly go back to those indefensible borders.