Israel 🇮🇱 State of Israel Thread

[History Learner]

He's not really wrong though considering who's in charge of Palestinian territory.

You mean the people who have repeatedly said they will accept a peace deal and have codified that as meaning 1967 borders?

If Israel were treated like any other nation, they'd have been allowed to expel the Palestinians as a whole and annex those enclaves years ago.

Just like we let the Serbs do? How about Iraq in 1991? Do I need to go on? If we treated Israel like it should be treated, it would be under an international blockade at best like Iran is or at worst, it would've got the 2003 or 2011 treatment like Iraq and Libya.

 

[ATP]

UN is a scam.
So you are saying the rest of western Europe are breaking international law?

Those who deny palestinian their state - yes.And we have enough problems now,so we do not need new ones when we are start breaking international law.
Besides - you want us to breal law for Izrael.Good,but what Izrael would do for Poland ? becouse in politics nothing is for free.
And considering,that Izrael are attacking Poland and try steal from us,we really do not have reasons to support them in anything.
In fact,even when we do not care about palestinian,we should support them as long as Izrael is attacking us.

 

[Zachowon]

Those who deny palestinian their state - yes.And we have enough problems now,so we do not need new ones when we are start breaking international law.
Besides - you want us to breal law for Izrael.Good,but what Izrael would do for Poland ? becouse in politics nothing is for free.
And considering,that Izrael are attacking Poland and try steal from us,we really do not have reasons to support them in anything.
In fact,even when we do not care about palestinian,we should support them as long as Izrael is attacking us.

You think Palestine cares for international law? Russia? China?

 

[History Learner]

You think Palestine cares for international law? Russia? China?

As equally as the United States and Israel do.

 

[Zachowon]

As equally as the United States and Israel do.

Yes, actually the US does at least militarily. Do you know who makes the news more when they break international law? The US.
You can point fingers at the US for a lot of things, being innocent isn't one, but we are not killing innocent people just because they are a different religion

 

[History Learner]

Yes, actually the US does at least militarily. Do you know who makes the news more when they break international law? The US.
You can point fingers at the US for a lot of things, being innocent isn't one, but we are not killing innocent people just because they are a different religion

We literally do all the time, that's why we run Black Sites in Poland, Syria and other places during the War on Terror. That's why we financed kill teams in both Afghanistan and Vietnam, committing horrible human rights abuses. There is no fundamental difference, just propaganda.

 

[Zachowon]

We literally do all the time, that's why we run Black Sites in Poland, Syria and other places during the War on Terror. That's why we financed kill teams in both Afghanistan and Vietnam, committing horrible human rights abuses. There is no fundamental difference, just propaganda.

No, there is a diffrence.
We still do not kill civilians because they are of an opposite religion.
Black sites? What do they do hmm?

 

[History Learner]

No, there is a diffrence.
We still do not kill civilians because they are of an opposite religion.
Black sites? What do they do hmm?

Abuse and beat prisoners, including "fun" things like anal rape and permanently disabling people's eyesight, in the case of the Palestinian man that is getting international attention now. And sure, we don't target people because of their religion, we just send only Muslims there by coincidence lol. Let's also ignore how fucking sick it is to qualify your claims by implying that, as long as you are committing illegal actions without consideration for the religion, it's somehow better.

 

[Zachowon]

Abuse and beat prisoners, including "fun" things like anal rape and permanently disabling people's eyesight, in the case of the Palestinian man that is getting international attention now. And sure, we don't target people because of their religion, we just send only Muslims there by coincidence lol. Let's also ignore how fucking sick it is to qualify your claims by implying that, as long as you are committing illegal actions without consideration for the religion, it's somehow better.

it is. Because at least we are indiscriminate. Also, we go against more then people of the Islamic religion. It is called propaganda that you also take in, from the other side

@GoldRanger Hey, how many crimes has Palestine committed against the people of isreal?

 

[History Learner]

it is. Because at least we are indiscriminate. Also, we go against more then people of the Islamic religion. It is called propaganda that you also take in, from the other side

@GoldRanger Hey, how many crimes has Palestine committed against the people of isreal?

A War Crime is a War Crime, and you still get lined up against the wall for it.

 

[GoldRanger]

@GoldRanger Hey, how many crimes has Palestine committed against the people of isreal?

Depends on what you call a crime? Technically every single one of these is a warcrime, and they're easier to describe in the same terms as weather rather than distinct events: Palestinian rocket attacks on Israel - Wikipedia

Then there are the recurring stabbings, suicide bombings of civilians, kidnappings, other terror attacks (shootings, "regular" bombings, plane and bus hijackings)... then if you want to go back far enough in history you get to the mass lynching and multiple counts of genital mutilations.

I don't have anything even remotely close to an exact count.

 

[Zachowon]

Depends on what you call a crime? Technically every single one of these is a warcrime, and they're easier to describe in the same terms as weather rather than distinct events: Palestinian rocket attacks on Israel - Wikipedia

Then there are the recurring stabbings, suicide bombings of civilians, kidnappings, other terror attacks (shootings, "regular" bombings, plane and bus hijackings)... then if you want to go back far enough in history you get to the mass lynching and multiple counts of genital mutilations.

I don't have anything even remotely close to an exact count.

And how many if these do the Isreali do to the Palestinians?

 

[GoldRanger]

And how many if these do the Isreali do to the Palestinians?

There was one count I'm aware of of attempted lynching of a Palestinian last May, but the Palestinian survived, and it happened after and as a visceral response to a few successful lynches by Palestinians in which Jews died.

Um, let's see... There was one case of arson by Jewish extremists in which a Palestinian baby died along with a couple of others. The Jewish arsonist received a life sentence by Israeli courts.

What else? Rockets are out since Israel always warns ahead before bombing and never targets indiscriminately... Not aware of hijacking or genital mutilation... I think what I already said just about covers it.

 

[Zachowon]

There was one count I'm aware of of attempted lynching of a Palestinian last May, but the Palestinian survived, and it happened after and as a visceral response to a few successful lynches by Palestinians in which Jews died.

Um, let's see... There was one case of arson by Jewish extremists in which a Palestinian baby died along with a couple of others. The Jewish arsonist received a life sentence by Israeli courts.

What else? Rockets are out since Israel always warns ahead before bombing and never targets indiscriminately... Not aware of hijacking or genital mutilation... I think what I already said just about covers it.

So, the UN supporting Palestine by acknowledged them as independent is an issue for Isreal because it makes them feel the need to keep committing heinous acts against the isreali?

 

[Bacle]

There was one count I'm aware of of attempted lynching of a Palestinian last May, but the Palestinian survived, and it happened after and as a visceral response to a few successful lynches by Palestinians in which Jews died.

Um, let's see... There was one case of arson by Jewish extremists in which a Palestinian baby died along with a couple of others. The Jewish arsonist received a life sentence by Israeli courts.

What else? Rockets are out since Israel always warns ahead before bombing and never targets indiscriminately... Not aware of hijacking or genital mutilation... I think what I already said just about covers it.

You forgot the main one, the worst crime of all in the eyes of much of the world; Israel wants to be able to pray at the Temple wall, instead of acting submissive to the Arab world's/Palestinian views that Juresalem and the Temple Mount is theirs, and only theirs.

Also, defeating Arab armies repeatedly, instead of dying or being driven into the sea, is a war crime in the eyes of many anti-Israeli groups.

 

[GoldRanger]

So, the UN supporting Palestine by acknowledged them as independent is an issue for Isreal because it makes them feel the need to keep committing heinous acts against the isreali?

Imagine if ISIS had more overt allies and better propaganda, and then the UN decided to acknowledge an ISIS state in parts of Syria and Iraq. Why should I be glad that the world rewards terrorists for their terrorism?

In the case of the Palestinians, if the UN is willing to give them anything they want, what would their incentive be to negotiate with Israel at all? So any pretense of a "peace process" is actually a charade designed to give the Palestinians 100% of anything they want at the expense of Israel? Why should Israel go along with that?

 

[Zachowon]

Imagine if ISIS had more overt allies and better propaganda, and then the UN decided to acknowledge an ISIS state in parts of Syria and Iraq. Why should I be glad that the world rewards terrorists for their terrorism?

In the case of the Palestinians, if the UN is willing to give them anything they want, what would their incentive be to negotiate with Israel at all? So any pretense of a "peace process" is actually a charade designed to give the Palestinians 100% of anything they want at the expense of Israel? Why should Israel go along with that?

I'm just trying to make a point that western Europe and North America have a point in standing by Isreal over the country thag commits war crimes

 

[GoldRanger]

I'm just trying to make a point that western Europe and North America have a point in standing by Isreal over the country thag commits war crimes

Yes, I think so too (in so far as Europe is actually siding with Israel, they can flip flop a lot on this matter). In the end I think if the Palestinians had anything like reasonable demands they would have been independent long ago. As it is, their demands are ridiculous and no sane country would agree to anything even close. Would the US agree to take in 300 million Chinese who are brainwashed to hate the US? Even that analogy falls short of what the Palestinians are demanding.

 

[Zachowon]

Yes, I think so too (in so far as Europe is actually siding with Israel, they can flip flop a lot on this matter). In the end I think if the Palestinians had anything like reasonable demands they would have been independent long ago. As it is, their demands are ridiculous and no sane country would agree to anything even close. Would the US agree to take in 300 million Chinese who are brainwashed to hate the US? Even that analogy falls short of what the Palestinians are demanding.

I mean.. woth our current admin? Maybe.

 

[King Arts]

Poland acknowledged Palestine exists and is an independent nation

But that’s true. Palestinians exist as a nation unless you are saying they are Israeli or something? The people called Palestinians are not Jordanian, or Syrian, Iraqi, or Persian, or Turkish, or Kurdish. They aren’t nothing because nothing can’t cause attacks on another nation. Palestinians are either their own nation, or they are rebellious Israelis.