Or because they practice a culture that is incredibly obstructive for the process of building wealth. Like this.No they are poor because of either simple economics it’s impossible for everyone to be rich, or political chaos, and war.
Or because they practice a culture that is incredibly obstructive for the process of building wealth. Like this.No they are poor because of either simple economics it’s impossible for everyone to be rich, or political chaos, and war.
Nobody is making 'stupid subhuman' arguments here except for you.Except that the only variable is not led by Jews vs led by themselves. Those countries aren’t poor because they are stupid subhumans and the Israeli Jews are superior to them. No they are poor because of either simple economics it’s impossible for everyone to be rich, or political chaos, and war. This isn’t France and Germany where the modern neighbors are friendly those nations have to worry about invasion and terrorists plus Israel also would logically not want them to get too rich and powerful so there is a good chance of Mossad sabotage after all Mossad is probably the best secret service out there in the world right now.
Except that the only variable is not led by Jews vs led by themselves. Those countries aren’t poor because they are stupid subhumans and the Israeli Jews are superior to them.
No they are poor because of either simple economics it’s impossible for everyone to be rich,
or political chaos, and war. This isn’t France and Germany where the modern neighbors are friendly those nations have to worry about invasion and terrorists
plus Israel also would logically not want them to get too rich and powerful so there is a good chance of Mossad sabotage after all Mossad is probably the best secret service out there in the world right now.
First off I’m not anti Israel and it annoys me when you use it for every criticism of Israel oh you are anti Israel. No if I was anti Israel I would not defend their artillery attack that killed 100 civilians accidentally. Also what exactly do you want me to retract? I never said you said Arabs are subhuman.They are definitely poor at least in part because they are "stupid" (or at least, for cultural reasons). The number of nobel prizes for sciences of over a billion Muslims compared to Jews less than 2% of their number speaks for itself. They have a lot of cultural issues to solve before they can become competitive with Israel.
Also they are not "subhuman", you anti-Israel types are the only ones who bring up this inane and extremely insulting argument. No Israeli has ever argued that Arabs are subhuman and you know it, I demand you take your words back or I'll involve the forum moderators.
Disagree the universe is a closed system with only a finite amount of resources and resources are not spread evenly some places have more of one thing than another.Economics are not a zero sum game, as the many countries that manage to actually increase their economic output by cooperating with each other can attest.
Oh no you do I’m just using it to bring up the next point.Unlike Israel, which clearly never had to worry about, invasion, war or terrorism. Are you fucking kidding me?
Please don’t act like it’s something impossible only the divine could do a highly competent secret service like the KGB at its height could do the same and it did sabatoge Eastern Europe. The mossad is made up of geniuses the best of the best and people should respect that it’s hard to tell whether Mid East chaos comes from Arab incompetence and infighting or mossad sabotage.Mossad is just an intelligence agency, even if a good one, not some sort of divine being. No intelligence agency in Earth could possibly keep an entire fucking subcontinent in poverty for most of a century, especially one belongings to a country of less tha 10 million people. Yeah, Mossad can do some really impressive shit like planting viruses in sensitive computers, stealing secret information and assassinating important people, but real life is not actually a Tom Clancy novel and there's a limit to what they can do that comes far, FAR short of what you're alleging.
First off I’m not anti Israel and it annoys me when you use it for every criticism of Israel oh you are anti Israel. No if I was anti Israel I would not defend their artillery attack that killed 100 civilians accidentally.
Also what exactly do you want me to retract? I never said you said Arabs are subhuman.
As for the Nobel argument that just reinforces my point on why the fuck are things so backwards for Arabs when they should be matching Jews. I mean jews and Arabs are similar genetically you are both decended from Abraham are a semetic people and should have similar culture.
Judaism and Islam are also much closer to each other than either are to Christianity so it confuses me on how you are so different from each other.
Disagree the universe is a closed system with only a finite amount of resources and resources are not spread evenly some places have more of one thing than another.
Oh no you do I’m just using it to bring up the next point.
Please don’t act like it’s something impossible only the divine could do
There are only two conversations related to Israel in this thread 1 that artillery strike on the UN base, 2 that Arabs are better off under Israeli rule than leading themselves. I took Israel’s side in the 1st one and am against it on the 2nd if I was an Arab I’d rather be in Jordan, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, or the UAE over Israel, because being a second class citizen sucks that I actually have to defend this is astounding.Literally the only position that takes the side of Israel you ever took, not to mention your frequent likes to History Learner's hilariously one-sided posts. Hey, if you oppose Israel that's your full right, but don't try to bullshit me about it because I have 2 functional eyes and I can see where you stand.
Implied.Said, no. Heavily implied, definitely.
Well of course each religion is unique, but why are Jews more similar to Christian culture nations than Muslim ones. From what I know Islam and Judaism are very similar and compatible both legalistic similar view of God while the Christians are completely different.In practice Jewish and Arab culture is extremely different, that not only goes for European Jews, but Jews that actually lived within Arab countries as well. I don't know and don't care about their respective genetics or whatnot.
Crap I meant the top response to go here. But yeah aren’t Arabs and Jews very very similar in matters of spirituality and both are descendants from Abraham and share similar culture traits. And yes Christians are still Christian even if Protestant Catholic or orthodox. And muslims and Jews are different. But your view on god is the same aren’t your only differences a disagreement on who Abraham’s heir actually is, and whether or not Mohammed was a prophet?Not everything comes down to religion. Russia and Britain for example have huge cultural differences despite both being Christian (yeah yeah, one is protestant and the other orthodox, still much more similar than Judaism is to Islam).
This is true the economy is vastly complex and I will say I don’t understand it.Economic success is by far not only about resources. If it was, Israel would be the poorest country in the middle east, since until literally the last 5 years it had no natural resources to speak of, and even the natural gas it now mines from the seabed is like a tiny blimp compared to the giant oil industries of many Arab nations.
Well of course each religion is unique, but why are Jews more similar to Christian culture nations than Muslim ones. From what I know Islam and Judaism are very similar and compatible both legalistic similar view of God while the Christians are completely different.
Crap I meant the top response to go here. But yeah aren’t Arabs and Jews very very similar in matters of spirituality and both are descendants from Abraham and share similar culture traits. And yes Christians are still Christian even if Protestant Catholic or orthodox. And muslims and Jews are different. But your view on god is the same aren’t your only differences a disagreement on who Abraham’s heir actually is, and whether or not Mohammed was a prophet?
As for the mossad no of course there is no proof. I’m not saying they did anything I’m only saying that they are good enough to do stuff and get away without leaving a trace or failing the mission.
Well of course each religion is unique, but why are Jews more similar to Christian culture nations than Muslim ones. From what I know Islam and Judaism are very similar and compatible both legalistic similar view of God while the Christians are completely different.
Hmm early Jews before the romans destroyed the temple and before the Babylonian captivity were also desert herders right? So would you say that the reason for the differences between Arab and Jewish culture is because Jews were forced to change thousands of years ago while Arabs are only recently started to end being herders?Arabs descended from nomadic tribes, so their culture emphasizes traits that make sense in that environment, such as tribalism (leading to internal strife that caused all attempts at a pan-Arabic movement to fail), strong senses of honor and justice that are very different from the western understanding, etc.
Judaism, meanwhile, is highly influenced by Talmudic tradition that emerged in the middle ages and doesn't have a lot to do with Islam. Jewish culture was also shaped by millenia in diaspora in countries hostile to them so they adopted traits that are beneficial to their survival, such as emphasis on scholarship and diligent study and financial success through innovation and thinking outside the box.
The above are, mind you, generalizations. The point is that the fact the two religions have a similar origin is not the end all be all.
I mean I don’t want to downplay the achievements of the Israeli secret service but for the most part their actions are confined to a small area of the world the Middle East only 20 countries would be where they operate they usually don’t go farther than Iran unless they are hunting an old Nazi in South America Mossad won’t be in Europe or America or Asia that’s 75 percent of the world.Yes, but small scale stuff, causing specific problems for a small amount of countries, not holding back half the world for a century.
It’s no problem I too sometimes mix people up.No. Islam and Judaism are radically different, and Christianity is about 70% similar to Judaism.
That you do not understand such basic elements of the religious elements to this cultural clash really makes you look pretty blind about the whole thing.
I do owe you an apology for one of my former posts though. I realized I was mentally conflating your position with History Learner's on the whole issue; I'm sorry about that.
Except that the only variable is not led by Jews vs led by themselves. Those countries aren’t poor because they are stupid subhumans and the Israeli Jews are superior to them. No they are poor because of either simple economics it’s impossible for everyone to be rich, or political chaos, and war. This isn’t France and Germany where the modern neighbors are friendly those nations have to worry about invasion and terrorists plus Israel also would logically not want them to get too rich and powerful so there is a good chance of Mossad sabotage after all Mossad is probably the best secret service out there in the world right now.
There are differences between the races of man, I do not dispute this. However I have never seen a trustworthy source that is knowledgeable enough to actually show one race is smarter than the others. You will see intelligent black men and dumb white men, which automatically disproves race is the sole determination and end all be all. But let’s keep it on point no bringing in blacks or Asians let’s stay in the Middle East. Also even if nature is more important than nurture like I said find a non biased source because Arabs are kin to Jews this is fact they are both semetic peoples. Just like Anglos, Germans, and Norse are kin and are all Germanic people racial cousins. Italians, French, Romanians, Spaniards, and Portuguese are Latin peoples, they share similar traits. Or how the Slavic people Ukrainians, Poles, Russians, etc are related. Any deviation takes a long long long time not enough time has happened to seperate the semetic peoples the same way as with Indo Europeans where there is an original common ancestor but it split back so far. The Arabs can’t be fucked up because of their genes being defective otherwise the same should apply to Jews. I wouldn’t trust an American to be neutral or unbiased since their enemies, the same applies to Jews and Arabs you can’t allow someone to analyze themselves because they aren’t objective. Neither Europeans either because of history and current politics will want to push a position. Maybe the Chinese or Japanese would be non biased and can be trusted because they don’t care. Oh and lol on desert endurance not mattering then why are we leaving Afghanistan and it is going to be seen as a repeat of Vietnam in our history? They were adapted to mountain survival just like the Vietnamese were for jungle. Technology advances but it’s not like there is a whole new paradigm......... I see that you don't want to hear some basic facts, when it comes to ethnicity. That is, yes, there are actual genetic differences between ethnic groups. Differences that come out in facial features, skill tone, and both average IQ and personality trait varience.
So, by your own words, not mine? I guess the Arabs must be "stupid subhumans" rather than people who, culturally, bred themselves for traits other than intelligence.
Better in deserts? Sure. I haven't seriously studied them, but they do have advantages. However, with modern tech, those advantages are vastly less important.
Much like the traditional fishing techniques, what they bred for is now no longer the best way.
You will see intelligent black men and dumb white men, which automatically disproves race is the sole determination and end all be all.
The Arabs can’t be fucked up because of their genes being defective otherwise the same should apply to Jews.
Just for the protocol, I don't feel comfortable discussing genetics when it pertains to politics.
Suffice to say that Arabs have a fucked up culture and call it a day.
Average average, that average doesen't matter, since the numbers can be changed. Stop coping DNA is not the end all be all.A-V-E-R-A-G-E.
Average. As in, no specific individual. As in, if you got 10,000 of any particuar ethnic group, and gave them a properly tailored IQ test, you'll find different averages.
As in, you are wrong.
Ok, you do know dog breeds all those different variations require a intelligent actor to direct evolution right? Yes over a long enough period of time environmental hazards will make the animals themselves diverge, but for dogs it would take 100's of years instead of 50. 50 is only possible because there is a superior being directing the dog and selecting which traits to promote or reduce, tell me are humans being controlled by God, or an superior alien race to breed towards specific ends? It does not look like it unless you can show me. While it's theoretically possible humans could try and direct their own evolution this is hard, very very hard it has MANY practical problems. Do you know why animals like Elephants have never been domesticated? While these animals can be tamed and perfectly smart enough to work with humans. It's that they live long, close to humans. The guy who starts the breeding program won't be able to be the same guy who sees the results like in 50 years for dogs. He'd have to rely on his descendants, and hope they don't screw, up go in a different direction, or have to put the project on a back burner because they are dealing with a crisis. Humans can't really objectively direct their own evolution because the time scales are too long.How long did it take to breed a new type of dog, I wonder?
That link says 50 years or less. As humans have a roughly 10 times the breeding age, we're talking less than 500 years.How to Create a New Dog Breed — Registration, Standard, Cost, etc.
To create a new dog breed, a dog breeder must establish a set of clearly measurable and visible traits known as the breed standard. It is a list of characteristics that formally describe the breed to an audience. The breeder needs to build up the new dog breed over several generations, generally...breedingbusiness.com
500 years or less. How long were the Jews in Europe? Oh, yeah, 1500 years and more.
So. I repeat myself. You are Wrong.
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That's a VERY impressive dodge from trying to answer the actual, detailed account of events that led to this shelling. You may want to try, you know, debating the actual arguments presented in the thread? Just a thought.
I'm really interested in the logic according to which the fact that old fishing technologies are not competitive with new and more efficient alternatives makes an economic system terrible.
The point is, that in Israel, as supposed second class citizens, even in the poorest villages that at least partially have to be blamed for not adapting to the needs of modern economies, are still better off than a whole lot of their fellow Arabs in their neighboring countries, most of them independent and very proud of it.
Lets ignore the low hanging fruit of war torn countries in the region and go to big and proud Egypt.
32.5% of Egyptians live in extreme poverty: CAPMAS
According to CAPMAS, Egypt announced that he who earns less than LE 8,282 (US$ 501.03) annually and $1.3 daily, lives under the poverty line.www.egypttoday.com
That's what being poor in Egypt means.
For purposes of comparisons with the figures thrown around in your links, 500$ is about 1600 shekels. Per year, not per month. Yes, those poor Arabs in Israel earn several times more money in a month than many Arabs in Egypt do in a whole year. Let that sink in.
Of course for leftists that's no excuse, because their problem isn't that the Arabs in Israel are exceptionally poor by some independent standard, but that they don't have statistical income equality as compared to Jews in Israel.
If you actually did that instead of comparing Israeli Arabs to Israeli Jews and pretending it meant something about quality-of-life in Jordan, you'd probably get further in this discussion.
Israel didn't conduct hostilities in the first place, Hezbollah did that by building artillery positions all around it, and the UN compounded it by failing to maintain a perimeter and allowing Hezbollah to use the shelter as a forward base. Israel responded to that.
Simple, the artillery Israel fired was counter-fire to the artillery Hezbollah fired. If Hezbollah had not been allowed to place their mortars less than 200 yards of the refugee center, Israel would never have fired in the first place.
This is similar to the legal principle that if you rob a bank and somebody else kills a person during the robbery, you're legally on the hook for murder even if you didn't do the killing because your actions led to it.
OCED Figures aren't useful for actually determining poverty, they merely take the Median for the country and use that as their standard, so a nation with high standards of living can have a massive poverty rate because their median income is skewed by a few high-earning people while a nation where everybody's starving to death will get tagged with minimal poverty because they're all starving at similar rates. Not only is Israel not the highest in the OCED, the OCED's idiotic method of calculating poverty shows that Mexico has far less poverty than the United States. That's why I presented objective numbers that simply show how many people in the country are living below international poverty standards, not the variable-by-nation nonsense the OCED produces.
There was a map in the link I provided to the US army analysis above.
Okay, but comparing Israeli Arabs and Israeli Jews doesn't establish anything about Arab-Nation Arabs, now does it?
So you are saying the Isrealis should have just let the enemy hit them and not return fire?
Saying that means you obviously would rather watch Israelis die.
The only reason one would not fire back is if they are shooting into a neutral country. Like when Iran fired missles into Iraq against the US.
The UN also didn't let them know how close they were and were allowed to use thier compound.
The US would have fired back, any country would have that doesn't want to fucking lose soldiers to terrorists
Besides the fact that Isreal responded to the mortar attacks and that is what hit the UN building.So I take it you have not bothered to read anything posted so far, have you?