"Legal"
Legal in the fact he bypasses the rest of the government for the 11th time
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Legal in the fact he bypasses the rest of the government for the 11th time
And he had the legal authority to do that under the French system of government.
This whole episode is just the French being their usual terrorist selves. Like they do every time their baguettes are overcooked, or their government does something that they dislike, or they are bored.
It is only Legal the same way the ATF making laws is legal
No. What Macron did is something that is explicitly legal for him to do under the French
constitution. Article 49 of the French Constitution - Wikipedia
The US regulatory state is on a lot more dubious ground, legally speaking.
That's basically been french history since the revolution. I mean their on what their 5th republic now? What's one more?
The one who wants that is the commie. Well commie adjacent I suppose, to be fair.
Ancien Regime: Centralized monarchy under the House of Valois and then the House of Bourbon; late Middle Ages to 1789
First French Republic: French Revolution to Napoleon; 1792 to 1804.
First French Empire: More Napoleon; 1804 to 1814.
Bourbon Restoration: Return of the Kings; 1814 to 1830.
July Monarchy: King 2.0, House of Orleans; 1830 to 1848.
Second French Republic: Revolution Again; 1848 to 1851.
Second French Empire: Never Mind the Revolution, Napoleon 2.0; 1852 to 1870.
Third French Republic: Provisional Revolution Shall Keep Provisioning; 1870 to 1940.
State of France: Vichy France, Now With Nazi Collaboration; 1940 to 1944.
Fourth French Republic: New Republic, Now With Improved Uselessness x21; 1944 to 1958.
Fifth French Republic: General de Gaulle Says Shut Up And Let Me Fix This Shit; 1958 to present.
That's very foolish considering that the history of every single version of French government strongly shows that the more power the people have, the *worse* things are. France was at its greatest when power was the most centralized in the King; France was at its weakest and worst during the Revolution, and every single French government since then has learned to take more power away from the people and give more power to the government.
As much as democracy is a wonderful aspirational ideal, reality says that the Article 49 authority of the President is literally the only thing which saves the reasonably succcessful Fifth Republic apart from the abject failures of the Third Republic and Fourth Republic. Reversing that in a "Sixth Republic" would be the worst possible error.
If there is to be a new French government, serious consideration should be given to making it a Third French Empire -- but they'd need to find a new Napoleon for that to work properly.
Robovski
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I hardly think it is foolish that a government should serve it's people and not the other way around. These people worked to this retirement, they are due it. If they wanted to change this arrangement it should have been phased in over decades. So:
1. Honor lawful agreements.
2. Serve the people and their wishes.
Failing to do these things means tyranny and the failure of the rule of law and Macron has earned deposition if not the guillotine. Fuck him and his ilk.
1. Honor lawful agreements.
2. Serve the people and their wishes.
Failing to do these things means tyranny and the failure of the rule of law and Macron has earned deposition if not the guillotine. Fuck him and his ilk.
That's what I'm saying.
Time for a new Napoleon.
And there is one. He also happens to be related to the Sun King as well
Arlos
Sad Monarchist
That’s more iffy than that, he is technically in legality, but the 49.3 was thought off as an emergency power to use if really important stuff got bogged down, not as a tool to use so that the president can rule as the sole power of the nation, people didn’t give him a national assembly majority because they wanted him to discuss things with others and give him a leash, not so that he would simply ignore elected representative now that they didn’t rubber stamp his stuff.
Make no mistake, I think the state funded retirement should straight up disappear, not just raise the age, if it’s unworkable, it’s unworkable, it’s sad for everyone getting fucked over (including me and my family) but waiting longer to do it would just make it more painful later on, what I (and many people) hate is the way he went about this, the protests would have never gotten this big if he hadn’t forced this through or consulted anyone beside his blackrock counselor, he did all this with full knowledge that it would lit a fire. This isn’t the first time he is using executive order either, he’s been doing it regularly since he lost his parliamentary majority.
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This is absolutely incorrect. Article 49.3 is explicitly not emergency power; the emergency powers of the President of France are laid out in Article 16 (exceptional powers in time of crisis) and Article 36 (exceptional powers in time of siege). Article 49 is the normal authority of the President, and indeed the Constitution declares that the President has a specific duty to use this authority as a "commitment of responsibility".
I trust him on his own country
It is my country as well, and here is the full text of the Constitution of France: https://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/loda/id/JORFTEXT000000571356/
Article 16 is "Pouvoirs exceptionnels" and Article 36 is "État de siège".
Again, the French system of government explicitly *does not* have coequal branches like the American system does; the President is more like an elected King, whose authority explicitly supercedes that of the legislature. This is an intentional feature, one specifically made in response to the utter failure of the parliamentary-led Third Republic and Fourth Republic.
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Your French?
It really does explain everything doesn't it?
DarthOne
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Beat me to it.
So... Sixth French Republic coming up?