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TheRejectionist said:


TLDR : Lula's Brazil is preparing to welcome Guyanan refugees because according to the drunkard pest ruling Brasilia its is already a certainty there would be a war between Maduro's clique and Guyana.

This could have been avoided with Bolsonaro but I guess "mean words and shooting criminals" was too much for the Pan-american, Brazilian and European left.
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49ersfootball said:
Howdy from the Alamo City Sietch family. I've heard about Flavio Dino getting confirmed to the Brazilian Federal Supreme Court by vote of 47-31.

Any thoughts on this development ?
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This shit could only happen in Brazil.

No one in the Left liked him - Dino, like Haddad, has plenty of enemies; unlike Haddad, his political career was outside PT(he always ran for office as a PCB member), which makes him even more disliked inside PT than his loathsome personality alone would accomplish. The feminist lobby(which includes Lula's moll) wanted a woman, as the new STF member would be replacing Rosa Weber. Lula's supposed candidate was someone else.

So, who the fuck pushed for his candidacy?

Valdemar da Costa Neto(Leader of PL, the party Bolsonaro is affiliated to) - he wanted another guy on STF who would work to undo the convictions related to Operação Lava-Jato. PL is one of the most powerful parties in Brazil nowadays, and in spite of harbouring many which are connected to the former government, AND some of Valdemar's declarations, is more concerned with using its power to extort the government out of its budget(PL is the party that has been granted the highest number of gibs in the current Administration) that with being any sort of opposition.

Nowhere else this is made any clearer than Dino's confirmation; the average Bolsonaro supporter(as many others) holds as much affection for Dino as they do for roaches, and movements allied with Bolsonaro tried to organize a protest against his indication for the STF(which failed to garner much support). Meanwhile(and known to the protest organizers), the Congress members linked to Bolsonaro were following Valdemar's orders and working to confirm Dino. And now one of Bolsonaro's sons is posting on social media as if his allies had nothing to do with Dino's confirmation.

Make no mistake, Dino wouldn't have been confirmed without the support of the so called 'opposition'. This shit only shows that the so called 'Right' is even more ridiculous as a parliamentary opposition as PSDB was back in the 2000s.
 
gral said:
This shit could only happen in Brazil.

No one in the Left liked him - Dino, like Haddad, has plenty of enemies; unlike Haddad, his political career was outside PT(he always ran for office as a PCB member), which makes him even more disliked inside PT than his loathsome personality alone would accomplish. The feminist lobby(which includes Lula's moll) wanted a woman, as the new STF member would be replacing Rosa Weber. Lula's supposed candidate was someone else.

So, who the fuck pushed for his candidacy?

Valdemar da Costa Neto(Leader of PL, the party Bolsonaro is affiliated to) - he wanted another guy on STF who would work to undo the convictions related to Operação Lava-Jato. PL is one of the most powerful parties in Brazil nowadays, and in spite of harbouring many which are connected to the former government, AND some of Valdemar's declarations, is more concerned with using its power to extort the government out of its budget(PL is the party that has been granted the highest number of gibs in the current Administration) that with being any sort of opposition.

Nowhere else this is made any clearer than Dino's confirmation; the average Bolsonaro supporter(as many others) holds as much affection for Dino as they do for roaches, and movements allied with Bolsonaro tried to organize a protest against his indication for the STF(which failed to garner much support). Meanwhile(and known to the protest organizers), the Congress members linked to Bolsonaro were following Valdemar's orders and working to confirm Dino. And now one of Bolsonaro's sons is posting on social media as if his allies had nothing to do with Dino's confirmation.

Make no mistake, Dino wouldn't have been confirmed without the support of the so called 'opposition'. This shit only shows that the so called 'Right' is even more ridiculous as a parliamentary opposition as PSDB was back in the 2000s.
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Sounds like everyone hated Dino's guts.
 
49ersfootball said:
Sounds like everyone hated Dino's guts.
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Yeah. Maybe I am not blackpilled as @gral but this feels like it will accelerate Brazil towards a return to old in a way or another if it continues like this. Meaning someone like Vargas (which depeding who you ask he was a conservative or fascist or leftist populist nationalist dictator) , because I don't see Brazil going "integralist" or "monarchist" in the yet near future.
I am just glad that after Lula dies nobody will be able to capture his "magic" and it will likely lead to the Brazilian left downfall.
 
TheRejectionist said:
Yeah. Maybe I am not blackpilled as @gral but this feels like it will accelerate Brazil towards a return to old in a way or another if it continues like this. Meaning someone like Vargas (which depeding who you ask he was a conservative or fascist or leftist populist nationalist dictator) , because I don't see Brazil going "integralist" or "monarchist" in the yet near future.
I am just glad that after Lula dies nobody will be able to capture his "magic" and it will likely lead to the Brazilian left downfall.
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What ever comes after the current iteration of the Republic will have most of its powers vested on the Executive Branch - the current state of things is a cautionary tale against having too much power in the Legislative and Judicial ones. So, yes, it will have shades of Vargas' Estado Novo. This isn't a good thing, as the ideal system for Brazil would be, IMO, federalism(not the pretend one we have). But it's what we'll probably get. I don't dare to guess what flavour of totalitarianism we'll get, because I suspect it won't be that similar to what we've had before.

You are right in that things like this(and many others that will come) will probably accelerate Brazil towards the end of the current system. You are wrong in thinking these outrages(and outrages they are) being a blackpill to me. They give me hope - I may live to see this whole corrupt sandcastle crumble down, instead of it happening some 10-20 years after I die.
 
gral said:
What ever comes after the current iteration of the Republic will have most of its powers vested on the Executive Branch - the current state of things is a cautionary tale against having too much power in the Legislative and Judicial ones. So, yes, it will have shades of Vargas' Estado Novo. This isn't a good thing, as the ideal system for Brazil would be, IMO, federalism(not the pretend one we have). But it's what we'll probably get. I don't dare to guess what flavour of totalitarianism we'll get, because I suspect it won't be that similar to what we've had before.

You are right in that things like this(and many others that will come) will probably accelerate Brazil towards the end of the current system. You are wrong in thinking these outrages(and outrages they are) being a blackpill to me. They give me hope - I may live to see this whole corrupt sandcastle crumble down, instead of it happening some 10-20 years after I die.
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One can only hope.
 
gral said:
What ever comes after the current iteration of the Republic will have most of its powers vested on the Executive Branch - the current state of things is a cautionary tale against having too much power in the Legislative and Judicial ones. So, yes, it will have shades of Vargas' Estado Novo. This isn't a good thing, as the ideal system for Brazil would be, IMO, federalism(not the pretend one we have). But it's what we'll probably get. I don't dare to guess what flavour of totalitarianism we'll get, because I suspect it won't be that similar to what we've had before.

You are right in that things like this(and many others that will come) will probably accelerate Brazil towards the end of the current system. You are wrong in thinking these outrages(and outrages they are) being a blackpill to me. They give me hope - I may live to see this whole corrupt sandcastle crumble down, instead of it happening some 10-20 years after I die.
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I'm 38 years old & likely will be seeing Brazil slowly trending back more right-wing & hardcore conservative once Lula FINALLY kicks the bucket!

Odds aren't good Lula will make it to serving out 4th full term IF he wins reelection in 2026.
 
49ersfootball said:
@gral @Cherico Look what I've found:
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Yeahhh I won't celebrate Carneval there and if memory serves right I won't expect to be different than other Brazilian's Carnevals under a Lula government.

Half of Brazil that voted for Lula will complain about safety and trash but won't see the root cause why!

I hope at the least the South of Brazil is safe... fuck I even wanted to visit Manaus but @Cherico and @gral probably will argue it is not the best moment.
 
TheRejectionist said:
Yeahhh I won't celebrate Carneval there and if memory serves right I won't expect to be different than other Brazilian's Carnevals under a Lula government.

Half of Brazil that voted for Lula will complain about safety and trash but won't see the root cause why!

I hope at the least the South of Brazil is safe... fuck I even wanted to visit Manaus but @Cherico and @gral probably will argue it is not the best moment.
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Carnival is all too often taken to be a license to be an animal(or even worse), with predictable results. That is so no matter the government(but yes, the attitude of the current government doesn't help).

I miss the 90s. Back then, about 10 percent of Rio's population would go to other towns during Carnival and the city would be at peace. But people got wise to the effects of 500,000 flooding all of the state's seaside towns, and now they stay at home, teaming with tourists to fuck up the city.
 
gral said:
Carnival is all too often taken to be a license to be an animal(or even worse), with predictable results. That is so no matter the government(but yes, the attitude of the current government doesn't help).

I miss the 90s. Back then, about 10 percent of Rio's population would go to other towns during Carnival and the city would be at peace. But people got wise to the effects of 500,000 flooding all of the state's seaside towns, and now they stay at home, teaming with tourists to fuck up the city.
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Considering that Rio de Janiero is super large. Plus with lots of obvious problems: crime, rapes, etc.,
 


Lula's discourse about Israel the other day.

Fuck the bastard couldn't he have kept quiet and minded his own, and by extension, our country business?

He's creating the reason for another regime change. Only this time will be actually valid unlike 1964 and 2022.
 
TheRejectionist said:


Lula's discourse about Israel the other day.

Fuck the bastard couldn't he have kept quiet and minded his own, and by extension, our country business?

He's creating the reason for another regime change. Only this time will be actually valid unlike 1964 and 2022.
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When the Conservatives regain power, there will NEVER be another Leftist President ever again.
 
TheRejectionist said:


Lula's discourse about Israel the other day.

Fuck the bastard couldn't he have kept quiet and minded his own, and by extension, our country business?

He's creating the reason for another regime change. Only this time will be actually valid unlike 1964 and 2022.
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This was Lula trying to play Israeli partisan politics(trying to shake Netanyahu so he'll fall), like Biden is doing. He wouldn't have said anything near that had the Israeli PM been a leftist. For what is worth, I don't even think he has managed to break ties with the Jewish diaspora in Brazil(which is overwhelmingly leftist).
 
gral said:
This was Lula trying to play Israeli partisan politics(trying to shake Netanyahu so he'll fall), like Biden is doing. He wouldn't have said anything near that had the Israeli PM been a leftist. For what is worth, I don't even think he has managed to break ties with the Jewish diaspora in Brazil(which is overwhelmingly leftist).
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Netanyahu to Lula & Biden: FUCK YOU idiots!
 
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